Ansett767 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1021 posts, RR: 2 Posted (15 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 1022 times:
1. When flying at the back: do you actually experieance more turbulence? I feel that when IM at the back it feels very shakey - more so when we pass thru clouds than up the front....?
2. leg room: I know you need a medical certificate to be guarenteed of an emergency exit seat or Bulkhead seat for some airlines: Does this constitute as a mdeical condition?
I get cramps in my legs from being all hunched up when there is a seat in front of me as I am 6 foot 1 - Im talking 23 hour flights like Syd to London....
3. Anyone got anything else to add about inflight experiences? tricks? to get upgrades? Exit seats? or whatever!
Would be interested to know
Ilyushin96M From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2609 posts, RR: 12
Reply 2, posted (15 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 872 times:
Heheh. You're a funny one, Ansett. :-)
1. The tail does bounce around quite a bit more than the rest of the aircraft in turbulence, so there is more motion back there, for sure.
2. You can request to be seated by an emergency exit. I think the only requirement is that you be physically able to operate the exit should something happen. I sat by the exit just behind the wing on an Aeroflot 767-300ER this summer on a trip to Russia, and that was the only question asked when I was assigned to the seat.
3. The only trick I know of to get a free upgrade, is to volunteer to give up your seat if a flight is overbooked, or else give up your seat to allow passengers to sit together. I got first class on TWA a few years back because one member of a family had been assigned to that seat. :-) It was nice...champagne all during the flight!
Naimas From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (15 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 868 times:
Actually I understand how Ansett767 feels.
When I fly (so far only domestic flights) I try to get as close to the front as possible. I have ridden in the front
(very first row) and ridden in the very last row and I notice a difference.
Other than the obvious difference in seats next to an emergency door, I think that visually seeing a whole plane of filled rows in front of you for 20 hours can give an illusion of cramped space whereas if you can only see 3 or 4 rowns ahead of you it might make you feel less congested.
As far as turbulence, personally I do believe that you encounter it more in the back (just my uneducated, unclinical theory ((so please not sharp replies))
I think there is sometimes a whip factor like when you ride on the back of a bus.
(I never get sick at the front, but I get nausous at the back on busses)
It has been my experience that sitting on the wing can be quite unnerving as well. Sometimes the wall next to you moves in and out as the wing bends up and down whereas it seems when you sit at the front all the action slides past you. When you sit at the back you can see the pitch of the aisle when the plane is climbing and desending and to some that can be unerving cause the back rises last and the front can appear a good story higher. But when you sit in the fron you dont notice the pitch (unless you turn around and look at the back of the plane) and who wants to look at 300 heads bob up and down during turbelence?
Again, you dont see this at the front, bit see a very stable, calming wall usually.
Again, no scientific proof here, but I find it reasonable to see how someone would feel and see more movement sitting in the back.
As for me? I like the front.
As for your legs?
I would stand up at the airport and not sit down before boarding your flight. I also go to open space next to the emergency door and stretch
Ansett767 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1021 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (15 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 851 times:
NO need for those sort of replies mate: Rude, and unthoughtful. I was simply asking a question and you have to go and slate me.
I reckon people like you should either be removed or not reply at all if you dont have something of substance to add and which doesnt offend.
NO WHERE in my post did i say I didnt fly Business class: which I do, but when I fly Economy Id like to know how to get the best available seat OKAY? As for others who cannot afford business - youre being extremely rude and offensive.
And NO WHERE did I ay I had a medical disability now did i? So dont make presumptions.....
NEXT time think mate: THINK and be more sensitive.
Cody From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1937 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (15 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 845 times:
The only thing that I can think of for you to do is find an OAG or some sort of seat map and choose the best seat as far in advance as you can. Like you said...for roominess a bulkhead or exit. For stability and less turbulence, try sitting over the wing.
Airbus Boy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (15 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 845 times:
Aspen 1 it is not illegal in all countries just the airlines want a fit person. And there is no need to be so rude.
Back the the question
I thought the same till I figured it out. The seats in the front move up and down the same as the back but you have more padding in the seat so it doen not hurt as much.
I normally fly first class and the way I do that is paying. I think it is worth the extra money.
Tanguy From Australia, joined Sep 1999, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (15 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 841 times:
G'day again Ansett767,
I'm a flight attendant for the other Aussie airline and Down Under it is not permitted to have an incapacitated person or for that matter a child seated beside any emergency exit. The basis for this is that the people occupying those seats must be physically able to follow the instructions from the F/As if the exits are required. I know people often come up to me onboard and say they've had a leg operation or some such and ask to be moved to an exit row for leg room. Unfortunately in such cases I have to explain why I cannot seat that person there. It really is for the safety of all on board. What I can suggest is going for a walk during the flight to stretch your legs once the initial bar and meal services are out of the way. Remember when you get back to your seat to fasten that seat belt again, not tightly, but just enough to keep you from leaving your seat if the plane hits one of those rare rough spots!
As regards the back of the plane, yes it is rougher than overwing and up front. The fuselage pitches around the wing area of the aircraft and one would expect the effect forward and aft of the axis to be the same, however for reasons that elude me it always seems worse down the back! On many occasions as cabin crew we have had to phone the Techies(pilots) to ask if it is bumpy up front and they are often surprised to learn that we're hanging on for dear life in the back galley!
Upgrades are attended to on the ground. Onboard the aircraft we can only upgrade for certain very specific reasons and then a report has to be prepared as to the circumstances for this. I can fully understand from a passenger's point of view. If for example a business person and had forked out thousands to fly J/C Business Class, he or she would be rightfully wondering why someone from economy was moved up into the same cabin during the flight. Pure logic would tell them that this new arrival hadn't paid the same premium fare. For this reason the airline I work for has a policy of issuing any upgrades on the ground so each pax has a boarding card for the class in which they will travel. It does make sense.
The suggestion by one of the earlier resondants of obtaining a seat plan to help when you request your seat at check in is a good idea. Both the main Australian carriers have aircraft seat plans in their timetables. All the best Mate.
Dash8tech From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 732 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (15 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 824 times:
Yep, you'll feel a bit more in the back of the plane. Also, seeing the rows ahead of you swinging from side to side doesn't help one's stomach either. Me, I don't have a problem wherever I sit. Also, porposing movements can be felt more in the rear. The fulcrum is the wing basically.
Ciro From Brazil, joined Aug 1999, 662 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (15 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 816 times:
... It is so depressing flying economy class! When we board, we have to pass through all those fancy people drinking champagne in the business class. When we finally get in our seat in the back of the plane, all the overhead bins are already full. Not to mention the overweighted gentleman seating besides who forces us to share our tiny seat with his fat leg.
And then we have the crying kids, the chicken rice for dinner, the lining up to use the washroom, the lady in the front who inclines her seat way before we finish our meal, etc
The only body part we can actually stretch during the flight is our neck, when we try to watch the movie one-mile away from our back seats.
Also, one should know that in case of an air crash, the people in the back are the first ones to die.
I wish I was rich enough to afford first class tickets....
The fastest way to become a millionaire in the airline business is to start as a billionaire.
Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12781 posts, RR: 34
Reply 12, posted (15 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 808 times:
Hi there, Ansett 767,
Just a thought that comes to mind first before anything else, I would have thought that IF you had a medical cert, you wouldn't be allowed to use an emergency exit. Most countries have a requirement that persons sitting at Em. exits are able bodied, i.e. able to open an exit and not cause congestion. However, personally speaking I like the seats at the very back of the aircraft (747) where the fuselage tapers off. There, you get little lockers by your side and you have a better chance of not getting someone beside you. After all, who wants an aisle seat at the very back!!
Just by way of suggestion, and this may not be true now, but Cathay has two 744 flights a day to London; the second, the 255, appears rarely to be more than half full. Obviously, you can't rely on that, but if you are doing the trip anytime soon, you could bear it in mind.
Sorry, no idea about upgrades, but hell, when you're flying Cathay, who needs an upgrade!!