LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24858 posts, RR: 46 Posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5522 times:
The list keeps growing.
EU also stated while countries like Angola and Indonesia have made some progress, they still do not live up to ICAO requirements and will continue seeing their air carriers remain on the list.
Quote: European Union Expands Airline Blacklist
Apr 09 , 2009
All of Benin’s airlines along with several other carriers have been added to the European Union’s airline blacklist. The EU says the decision on Benin came after an audit by the International Civil Aviation Organization highlighted problems.
Also new to the blacklist are several Kazakhstan-based carriers, namely Air Company Kokshetau, ATMA Airlines, Berkut Air, East Wing, Sayat Air and Starline KZ. Thailand’s One Two Go Airlines and Ukraine’s Motor Sich Airlines also are now banned from flying into the EU.
JQFlightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 945 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5047 times:
has GA been taken off it yet? or are they still on it! my father has been working in indonesia for the past 3 years and he said he has had some shocking domestic flights on some of the airlines over there i think he said one was Mapati or something like that!
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I think all Indonesian carriers is banned over concerns with the Indonesian authorities.
Basically, EU doesn't seem to think that the Indonesian authorities are able to guarani the safety of the carriers it has issued AOC for.
Trintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3228 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4568 times:
GA could resume services to the EU if they wet-lease planes from a carrier which is not subject to a ban. For example, they codeshare on some MH flights to and from LHR. Indonesia as a whole got black-listed after the Adam Air crash off Sulawesi on 1 January 2007.
PR is not banned but has decided against serving Europe for some years now.
BuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2871 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4503 times:
A country's aviation safety situation depends very much on its regulator. If the regulator isn't good, then the whole country's aviation is potentially unsafe. That's why in some cases entire countries are on the blacklist.
According to Wiki they are resuming AMS in June 2009??
I reckon once they get the new B777's in then they could start European services.
Wiki isn´t a reliable source of infomation..... Garuda never had any slots for Summer 09 at AMS thus wasn´t able to fly to AMS. Furthermore, there were only rumours as the Indonesian Prime Minister was trying to persuade the Dutch government to get Indonesia off the black list.
BTW the ban is not at GA specifically. The EU ban is for all Indonesian airlines as the EU reckons the Indonesian government is unable to provide proper oversight to its airline industry
Mandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6767 posts, RR: 76
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2530 times:
Quoting Tofen (Reply 4): One Two Go had that MD-80 crash in Bangkok in 2007, and had it's AOC withdrawn from the Thai DCA for a while. Not sure If they have got it back now.
They got it back... the EU I think audited them about 4 weeks ago... Improvements have been made, but perhaps not yet enough...
Quoting Trintocan (Reply 9): GA could resume services to the EU if they wet-lease planes from a carrier which is not subject to a ban. For example, they codeshare on some MH flights to and from LHR. Indonesia as a whole got black-listed after the Adam Air crash off Sulawesi on 1 January 2007.
Indonesia got blacklisted shortly after Adam Air's last accident in Batam... but it was primarily not due to to the accidents, but to the long list of violations that Adam Air got away with!
Quoting LJ (Reply 11): Wiki isn´t a reliable source of infomation..... Garuda never had any slots for Summer 09 at AMS thus wasn´t able to fly to AMS. Furthermore, there were only rumours as the Indonesian Prime Minister was trying to persuade the Dutch government to get Indonesia off the black list.
We don't have a Prime Minister...
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Alangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2497 times:
Quoting Trent1000 (Reply 15): Quoting Tofen (Reply 4):
One Two Go had that MD-80 crash in Bangkok in 2007
No, the crash happened in HKT
I note that on the website of One Two Go, and also Orient Thai they are showing that they are aiming for ISO 9001 Certification. This is not an Airworthiness Qualification, but it looks like an attempt to show that they measure up to international quality standards.
Sure, the accident in 2007 was bad, but so was the Spanair accident. If an airline has tried to make progress since an accident it should be given credit for that.