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EU Expands Air Carrier Black List  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24325 posts, RR: 47
Posted (5 years 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5472 times:

The list keeps growing.

EU also stated while countries like Angola and Indonesia have made some progress, they still do not live up to ICAO requirements and will continue seeing their air carriers remain on the list.

Quote:
European Union Expands Airline Blacklist
Apr 09 , 2009

All of Benin’s airlines along with several other carriers have been added to the European Union’s airline blacklist. The EU says the decision on Benin came after an audit by the International Civil Aviation Organization highlighted problems.

Also new to the blacklist are several Kazakhstan-based carriers, namely Air Company Kokshetau, ATMA Airlines, Berkut Air, East Wing, Sayat Air and Starline KZ. Thailand’s One Two Go Airlines and Ukraine’s Motor Sich Airlines also are now banned from flying into the EU.

Full story:
http://www.aviationweek.com/publicat...an+Union+Expands+Airline+Blacklist

Full EU list:
http://ec.europa.eu/transport/air-ban/pdf/list_en.pdf


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User currently offlineSevernaya From Russia, joined Jan 2009, 1390 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (5 years 1 week 5 days ago) and read 5096 times:



Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
and Starline KZ

Wasn't this the new A380 operator according to http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...general_aviation/read.main/4288067 .......



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19097 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (5 years 1 week 5 days ago) and read 5072 times:

I flew One Two Go. M83s or whatever.


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User currently offlineJQFlightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 940 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 1 week 5 days ago) and read 4997 times:

has GA been taken off it yet? or are they still on it! my father has been working in indonesia for the past 3 years and he said he has had some shocking domestic flights on some of the airlines over there i think he said one was Mapati or something like that!


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User currently offlineTofen From Sweden, joined Feb 2009, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4834 times:

It seems some of these bans are a direct consequence of resent incidents.

One Two Go had that MD-80 crash in Bangkok in 2007, and had it's AOC withdrawn from the Thai DCA for a while. Not sure If they have got it back now.

There was also a crash involving a Kazakhstan registered 737 in 2008 in Kyrgyzstan.

Not sure if they actually effected the EU's decision in any way, might just be a coincidence.


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11572 posts, RR: 61
Reply 5, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4816 times:

I'm very surprised at Motor Sich Airlines joining that list; I flew them last year on one of their An140-100s and they were great, certainly didn't fear for my safety.


Dan  Smile



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User currently offlineManu From Canada, joined Dec 2004, 406 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4785 times:

Safe Airways... there's some irony in this one being listed! Insert joke here.

User currently offlineSeemyseems From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4664 times:

Why did they blacklist GA, safety?

According to Wiki they are resuming AMS in June 2009??
I reckon once they get the new B777's in then they could start European services.

Is PR banned? Because they would benefit from routes like LHR, CDG, AMS, FRA and MXP.

[Edited 2009-04-09 11:24:15]


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User currently offlineTofen From Sweden, joined Feb 2009, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4518 times:



Quoting Seemyseems (Reply 7):
Why did they blacklist GA, safety?

I think all Indonesian carriers is banned over concerns with the Indonesian authorities.
Basically, EU doesn't seem to think that the Indonesian authorities are able to guarani the safety of the carriers it has issued AOC for.


User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3224 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4518 times:

GA could resume services to the EU if they wet-lease planes from a carrier which is not subject to a ban. For example, they codeshare on some MH flights to and from LHR. Indonesia as a whole got black-listed after the Adam Air crash off Sulawesi on 1 January 2007.

PR is not banned but has decided against serving Europe for some years now.

TrinToCan.



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User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2828 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4453 times:

A country's aviation safety situation depends very much on its regulator. If the regulator isn't good, then the whole country's aviation is potentially unsafe. That's why in some cases entire countries are on the blacklist.


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User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4455 times:



Quoting Seemyseems (Reply 7):
Why did they blacklist GA, safety?

According to Wiki they are resuming AMS in June 2009??
I reckon once they get the new B777's in then they could start European services.

Wiki isn´t a reliable source of infomation..... Garuda never had any slots for Summer 09 at AMS thus wasn´t able to fly to AMS. Furthermore, there were only rumours as the Indonesian Prime Minister was trying to persuade the Dutch government to get Indonesia off the black list.

BTW the ban is not at GA specifically. The EU ban is for all Indonesian airlines as the EU reckons the Indonesian government is unable to provide proper oversight to its airline industry


User currently offlineMHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1100 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2842 times:

So much for TAAG's "plans" to be flying to LIS and CDG with their own metal again by June. Oh well.

User currently offlineOzGlobal From France, joined Nov 2004, 2701 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2762 times:

Could I add some for cabin service?


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User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2688 times:
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Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 12):
So much for TAAG's "plans" to be flying to LIS and CDG with their own metal again by June. Oh well

Bad news for them, and so probably they will begin flights to GIG with the 772 as announced on their website www.taag.com.br



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User currently offlineTrent1000 From Japan, joined Jan 2007, 513 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2534 times:



Quoting Tofen (Reply 4):
One Two Go had that MD-80 crash in Bangkok in 2007

No, the crash happened in HKT


User currently offlineMandala499 From Indonesia, joined Aug 2001, 6590 posts, RR: 75
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2480 times:



Quoting Tofen (Reply 4):
One Two Go had that MD-80 crash in Bangkok in 2007, and had it's AOC withdrawn from the Thai DCA for a while. Not sure If they have got it back now.

They got it back... the EU I think audited them about 4 weeks ago... Improvements have been made, but perhaps not yet enough...

Quoting Trintocan (Reply 9):
GA could resume services to the EU if they wet-lease planes from a carrier which is not subject to a ban. For example, they codeshare on some MH flights to and from LHR. Indonesia as a whole got black-listed after the Adam Air crash off Sulawesi on 1 January 2007.

Indonesia got blacklisted shortly after Adam Air's last accident in Batam... but it was primarily not due to to the accidents, but to the long list of violations that Adam Air got away with!

Quoting LJ (Reply 11):
Wiki isn´t a reliable source of infomation..... Garuda never had any slots for Summer 09 at AMS thus wasn´t able to fly to AMS. Furthermore, there were only rumours as the Indonesian Prime Minister was trying to persuade the Dutch government to get Indonesia off the black list.

We don't have a Prime Minister...



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User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2447 times:



Quoting Trent1000 (Reply 15):
Quoting Tofen (Reply 4):
One Two Go had that MD-80 crash in Bangkok in 2007

No, the crash happened in HKT

I note that on the website of One Two Go, and also Orient Thai they are showing that they are aiming for ISO 9001 Certification. This is not an Airworthiness Qualification, but it looks like an attempt to show that they measure up to international quality standards.


Sure, the accident in 2007 was bad, but so was the Spanair accident. If an airline has tried to make progress since an accident it should be given credit for that.


User currently offlineTofen From Sweden, joined Feb 2009, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2316 times:



Quoting Trent1000 (Reply 15):
No, the crash happened in HKT

Of course, I don't know what I was thinking... It originated from Bangkok though  Wink.


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