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Delta Leads Feb On Time, United Leads Q1  
User currently offlineFFlyerWorld From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 335 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4872 times:

Delta made a huge improvement in on time performance for Feb. '09 leading all legacy airlines with Continental finishing last.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/stor...4EE%2DCEFFA40434F1%7D&siteid=yhoof

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User currently offlineAlanUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4854 times:



Quoting FFlyerWorld (Thread starter):
eading all legacy airlines

...in the USA


User currently offlineJBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3179 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4798 times:
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I think the improvement in pre-canceling for weather related issues has definitely helped sort out the domino effect we used to see so often. Good results all in all!

JBLU


User currently offlineAtomsareenough From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 566 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4654 times:



Quoting AlanUK (Reply 1):

...in the USA

Doesn't the term "legacy airline" itself denote that you're talking about airlines of the USA? I've never heard the term applied to say, BA or AF or KL or QF.


User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3978 posts, RR: 34
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4624 times:



Quoting JBLUA320 (Reply 2):
I think the improvement in pre-canceling for weather related issues

So if you cancel a flight it is not delayed?


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6444 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4554 times:



Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 4):
So if you cancel a flight it is not delayed?

Yes it counts as a delayed flight, but it means that other flights around the same time are more likely to leave on time as there is less strain on ATC.


User currently offlineMSYPI7185 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4511 times:



Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 4):
So if you cancel a flight it is not delayed?

I disagree, it is not a delayed flight. It is cancelled. How late is a cancelled flight?
It would hurt your completion factor, scheduled flights vs flights completed.

Unless we use a different definition of delayed than what is normally used when talking about delayed flights. If a passenger walked up to me and their flight was cancelled, I am not going to tell them it is delayed would I? Unless I was being a smarta** and wanted to tell them it is delayed 24 hrs. God help them if it is a Saturday only flight, then the delays is what--144 hrs?

Later MD


User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9289 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4436 times:

hmmmmm..........
Alright so DL is the best of the big 6 (it keeps NWA on it own) But that can't be right with hubs in Atlanta and NYC(both LGA and JFK). Or could it be that a.net has been blowing a little bit of smoke about these three airports? I don't believe that CVG and SLC are "saving" ATL and NYC.
Also DL need to get NWs numbers up. There hubs are in airports that more than likely have no reason for flights to be late.

Anyways good for Delta and HA but also I'll show a little love to US who is starting to look better than a few years ago.  Wink



yep.
User currently offlineMSYPI7185 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4409 times:

L1011Man I agree with you, now lets see if anyone starts accusing DL of "padding" their schedules as they were doing to US!

Congrats to DL.

MD


User currently offlineDurangoMac From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 700 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4298 times:



Quoting MSYPI7185 (Reply 6):
I disagree, it is not a delayed flight. It is cancelled. How late is a cancelled flight?
It would hurt your completion factor, scheduled flights vs flights completed.

The DOT considers a flight that doesn't make it to it destination within 14 minutes of it's scheduled time as a delay so if it cancels it didn't make it to its destination within 14 minutes, it never even left it's origin.


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6444 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4268 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 7):
Also DL need to get NWs numbers up. There hubs are in airports that more than likely have no reason for flights to be late.

Suggest you compare the on time performance of DL vs NW for the last 12 months. I think you will find the NW beat DL for the entire year. Also suggest you check the number of winter storms in ATL vs DTW and MSP in Feb. Aircraft do not do well in blizzard conditions. ATL hasn't had to may blizzards lately, have they.


User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22726 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4251 times:



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 7):
Also DL need to get NWs numbers up. There hubs are in airports that more than likely have no reason for flights to be late.

I'm not sure that the difference is about anything more than the fact that DL pads block times a little bit more than does NW. DL's strategy seems to be to put the maximum pad necessary at any point in the day on all flights (that is, their block times on high-frequency routes differ much less throughout the day than do NW's and OALs'). For instance, AA's block times on LGA-ORD differ throughout the day by 20 minutes, as do UA's. DL's block times on LGA-MDW differ by only 3 minutes. (FWIW, NW's block times on LGA-DTW also differ by 20 minutes.)



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User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4229 times:

Good for DL. No surprise that CO is in last with the EWR hub being very delay prone.


"Folks that's the news and I'm outta here!" -- Dennis Miller
User currently offlineFlyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1899 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3604 times:

Congrats to Delta, I really do laud them, they've done an excellent job re-inventing themselves, though I may not like some of the new elements. I think they've done a tasteful, innovative job of differentiating themselves from their competitors in an environment where airlines have been pressured to basically have the same product (buy-on-board, baggage charges, and other a la cart fees). Delta is definately moving forward with a direction. Congrats again.

User currently offlineLuvflng From Costa Rica, joined Nov 2000, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3520 times:

That's Feb data.

United is First in March. Go United.

luvflng.



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User currently offlineNwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3381 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3492 times:



Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 10):
Suggest you compare the on time performance of DL vs NW for the last 12 months. I think you will find the NW beat DL for the entire year. Also suggest you check the number of winter storms in ATL vs DTW and MSP in Feb. Aircraft do not do well in blizzard conditions. ATL hasn't had to may blizzards lately, have they.

 checkmark 

Rare is the day we agree, but on this you couldn't be more dead on.



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User currently offlineMSYPI7185 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3483 times:



Quoting DurangoMac (Reply 9):
The DOT considers a flight that doesn't make it to it destination within 14 minutes of it's scheduled time as a delay so if it cancels it didn't make it to its destination within 14 minutes, it never even left it's origin.

If a flight is cancelled it no longer has an arrival time. It does not exist as far as stats go.
One airline had a past practice that if a flight had a significant delay they would cancel the flight and then reassign it a new flight number with a new departure and arrival time, in order to circumvent the delay accounting system. I just wish I could remember the airline that used to do this.


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5930 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3408 times:

If anyone wants the complete list of the legacies....

Feb 09...
DL 82.62%
US 82.21%
UA 81.81%
NW 81.48%
AA 81.29%
CO 77.68%

Vs....

Feb 08....
DL 77.17%
US 76.29%
CO 70.18%
NW 65.85%
UA 65.10%
AA 61.66%

Amazing what a little capacity coming out of the ATC system will do... Smile

YTD 09 in case anyone is keeping track....
UA 80.39%
DL 79.96%
US 79.65%
NW 78.88%
AA 78.22%
CO 77.55%



Semper Fi - PowerPoint makes us stupid.
User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2084 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3404 times:



Quoting MSYPI7185 (Reply 8):
now lets see if anyone starts accusing DL of "padding" their schedules as they were doing to US!

They can try all they want but the proof is in the pudding. DL's block times are or are among the lowest of their peers. Fact is, DL/NW are running a very good operation without the padding (masking inefficiency) being done by some competitors. Kudos to DL/NW but, I fear that March is going to be tough sledding due to a lot of bad weather at our hubs.


User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22726 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3349 times:



Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 18):
Fact is, DL/NW are running a very good operation without the padding (masking inefficiency) being done by some competitors.

DL tends to have pretty similar block times than its competitors:

ATL-DFW
DL: 2:18-2:39
AA: 2:20-2:35

ATL-MIA
DL: 1:46-1:58
AA: 1:45-1:55

ATL-CLT
DL: 1:07-1:14
US: 1:09-1:21

ATL-PHL
DL: 2:06-2:15
US: 2:01-2:20

etc.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineMSYPI7185 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3349 times:

Instead of continuing the pi**ing match. here is a link on the FAA wevsite that tells you what constitutes a delay and how they are calculated. It is only 2 pages and is very quick reading.

http://www.faa.gov/about/plans_repor...me%20Arrivals_FY09%20Portfolio.pdf

All I am going to say is Cancelled flights do not have flight plans! Therefore a cancelled flight is not a delayed flight.

Later
MD


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3218 times:



Quoting FFlyerWorld (Thread starter):
...in the USA

Of course, as the topic is about US carriers. I'm sure you know that the DOT does not report this sort of data for carriers outside the US.



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlineAirlinespotter From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3011 times:



Quoting Luvflng (Reply 14):
United is First in March. Go United.

I'll believe it when I see it.


User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5105 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2988 times:

Of course, you're all ignoring the fact that overall QUALITY awards went to Airtran and JetBlue. Funny how that gets ignored.

User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5930 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2944 times:



Quoting Airlinespotter (Reply 22):
Quoting Luvflng (Reply 14):
United is First in March. Go United.

I'll believe it when I see it.

Its true...

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/United...nes-Earns-Top-prnews-14894891.html

First place in January UA
First place in February DL
First place in March UA

First place for Q1 UA

Quoting United1 (Reply 17):

Check out my post if you want to see the overall numbers....



Semper Fi - PowerPoint makes us stupid.
25 Platinumfoota : Congrats UA!! Whatever they changed its working. Big jump for UA.
26 Ytib : DOT only released the Feb 09 numbers yesterday (4/9), which is why the news coverage is quoting Feb numbers.
27 DurangoMac : BTS and ultimately the FAA and DOT considered a cancelled flight as a delayed flight. I built and maintain the current program for an airline which b
28 United1 : The preliminary numbers for March are starting to trickle out. The DOT won't publish them officially until next month however generally the airlines
29 FlyASAGuy2005 : No one is ignoring anything. You should start a thread to recognize this fact. That's how these boards are run isn't it.
30 CokePopper : Quality awards from whom? Consider the source..
31 0NEWAIR0 : Also, the quality awards are subjective. Most are opinions of the people who give the award and the ones who actually have "formulas" for creating a
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