JBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3160 posts, RR: 21 Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4133 times:
I think the improvement in pre-canceling for weather related issues has definitely helped sort out the domino effect we used to see so often. Good results all in all!
Atomsareenough From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 543 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3989 times:
Doesn't the term "legacy airline" itself denote that you're talking about airlines of the USA? I've never heard the term applied to say, BA or AF or KL or QF.
Bobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5981 posts, RR: 9 Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3889 times:
Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 4): So if you cancel a flight it is not delayed?
Yes it counts as a delayed flight, but it means that other flights around the same time are more likely to leave on time as there is less strain on ATC.
MSYPI7185 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 699 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3846 times:
Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 4): So if you cancel a flight it is not delayed?
I disagree, it is not a delayed flight. It is cancelled. How late is a cancelled flight?
It would hurt your completion factor, scheduled flights vs flights completed.
Unless we use a different definition of delayed than what is normally used when talking about delayed flights. If a passenger walked up to me and their flight was cancelled, I am not going to tell them it is delayed would I? Unless I was being a smarta** and wanted to tell them it is delayed 24 hrs. God help them if it is a Saturday only flight, then the delays is what--144 hrs?
DeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 8590 posts, RR: 8 Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3771 times:
hmmmmm..........
Alright so DL is the best of the big 6 (it keeps NWA on it own) But that can't be right with hubs in Atlanta and NYC(both LGA and JFK). Or could it be that a.net has been blowing a little bit of smoke about these three airports? I don't believe that CVG and SLC are "saving" ATL and NYC.
Also DL need to get NWs numbers up. There hubs are in airports that more than likely have no reason for flights to be late.
Anyways good for Delta and HA but also I'll show a little love to US who is starting to look better than a few years ago.
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MSYPI7185 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 699 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3744 times:
L1011Man I agree with you, now lets see if anyone starts accusing DL of "padding" their schedules as they were doing to US!
DurangoMac From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 586 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3633 times:
Quoting MSYPI7185 (Reply 6): I disagree, it is not a delayed flight. It is cancelled. How late is a cancelled flight?
It would hurt your completion factor, scheduled flights vs flights completed.
The DOT considers a flight that doesn't make it to it destination within 14 minutes of it's scheduled time as a delay so if it cancels it didn't make it to its destination within 14 minutes, it never even left it's origin.
Bobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5981 posts, RR: 9 Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3603 times:
Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 7): Also DL need to get NWs numbers up. There hubs are in airports that more than likely have no reason for flights to be late.
Suggest you compare the on time performance of DL vs NW for the last 12 months. I think you will find the NW beat DL for the entire year. Also suggest you check the number of winter storms in ATL vs DTW and MSP in Feb. Aircraft do not do well in blizzard conditions. ATL hasn't had to may blizzards lately, have they.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21245 posts, RR: 19 Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3586 times:
Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 7): Also DL need to get NWs numbers up. There hubs are in airports that more than likely have no reason for flights to be late.
I'm not sure that the difference is about anything more than the fact that DL pads block times a little bit more than does NW. DL's strategy seems to be to put the maximum pad necessary at any point in the day on all flights (that is, their block times on high-frequency routes differ much less throughout the day than do NW's and OALs'). For instance, AA's block times on LGA-ORD differ throughout the day by 20 minutes, as do UA's. DL's block times on LGA-MDW differ by only 3 minutes. (FWIW, NW's block times on LGA-DTW also differ by 20 minutes.)
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Tommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6173 posts, RR: 9 Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3564 times:
Good for DL. No surprise that CO is in last with the EWR hub being very delay prone.
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Flyguy89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1618 posts, RR: 9 Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2939 times:
Congrats to Delta, I really do laud them, they've done an excellent job re-inventing themselves, though I may not like some of the new elements. I think they've done a tasteful, innovative job of differentiating themselves from their competitors in an environment where airlines have been pressured to basically have the same product (buy-on-board, baggage charges, and other a la cart fees). Delta is definately moving forward with a direction. Congrats again.
Nwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3324 posts, RR: 9 Reply 15, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2827 times:
Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 10): Suggest you compare the on time performance of DL vs NW for the last 12 months. I think you will find the NW beat DL for the entire year. Also suggest you check the number of winter storms in ATL vs DTW and MSP in Feb. Aircraft do not do well in blizzard conditions. ATL hasn't had to may blizzards lately, have they.
Rare is the day we agree, but on this you couldn't be more dead on.
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MSYPI7185 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 699 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2818 times:
Quoting DurangoMac (Reply 9): The DOT considers a flight that doesn't make it to it destination within 14 minutes of it's scheduled time as a delay so if it cancels it didn't make it to its destination within 14 minutes, it never even left it's origin.
If a flight is cancelled it no longer has an arrival time. It does not exist as far as stats go.
One airline had a past practice that if a flight had a significant delay they would cancel the flight and then reassign it a new flight number with a new departure and arrival time, in order to circumvent the delay accounting system. I just wish I could remember the airline that used to do this.
United1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5337 posts, RR: 8 Reply 17, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2743 times:
If anyone wants the complete list of the legacies....
Feb 09...
DL 82.62%
US 82.21%
UA 81.81%
NW 81.48%
AA 81.29%
CO 77.68%
Vs....
Feb 08....
DL 77.17%
US 76.29%
CO 70.18%
NW 65.85%
UA 65.10%
AA 61.66%
Amazing what a little capacity coming out of the ATC system will do...
YTD 09 in case anyone is keeping track....
UA 80.39%
DL 79.96%
US 79.65%
NW 78.88%
AA 78.22%
CO 77.55%
DL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2041 posts, RR: 5 Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2739 times:
Quoting MSYPI7185 (Reply 8): now lets see if anyone starts accusing DL of "padding" their schedules as they were doing to US!
They can try all they want but the proof is in the pudding. DL's block times are or are among the lowest of their peers. Fact is, DL/NW are running a very good operation without the padding (masking inefficiency) being done by some competitors. Kudos to DL/NW but, I fear that March is going to be tough sledding due to a lot of bad weather at our hubs.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21245 posts, RR: 19 Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2684 times:
Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 18): Fact is, DL/NW are running a very good operation without the padding (masking inefficiency) being done by some competitors.
DL tends to have pretty similar block times than its competitors:
ATL-DFW
DL: 2:18-2:39
AA: 2:20-2:35
ATL-MIA
DL: 1:46-1:58
AA: 1:45-1:55
ATL-CLT
DL: 1:07-1:14
US: 1:09-1:21
ATL-PHL
DL: 2:06-2:15
US: 2:01-2:20
etc.
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MSYPI7185 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 699 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2684 times:
Instead of continuing the pi**ing match. here is a link on the FAA wevsite that tells you what constitutes a delay and how they are calculated. It is only 2 pages and is very quick reading.
FlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 6520 posts, RR: 11 Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2553 times:
Airlinespotter From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 160 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2346 times:
Quoting Luvflng (Reply 14): United is First in March. Go United.
Wjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4557 posts, RR: 17 Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2323 times:
Of course, you're all ignoring the fact that overall QUALITY awards went to Airtran and JetBlue. Funny how that gets ignored.
United1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5337 posts, RR: 8 Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2279 times:
Quoting Airlinespotter (Reply 22): Quoting Luvflng (Reply 14):
United is First in March. Go United.
Check out my post if you want to see the overall numbers....
Semper Fi
25 Platinumfoota: Congrats UA!! Whatever they changed its working. Big jump for UA.
26 Ytib: DOT only released the Feb 09 numbers yesterday (4/9), which is why the news coverage is quoting Feb numbers.
27 DurangoMac: BTS and ultimately the FAA and DOT considered a cancelled flight as a delayed flight. I built and maintain the current program for an airline which b
28 United1: The preliminary numbers for March are starting to trickle out. The DOT won't publish them officially until next month however generally the airlines
29 FlyASAGuy2005: No one is ignoring anything. You should start a thread to recognize this fact. That's how these boards are run isn't it.
30 CokePopper: Quality awards from whom? Consider the source..
31 0NEWAIR0: Also, the quality awards are subjective. Most are opinions of the people who give the award and the ones who actually have "formulas" for creating a
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