Enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6129 posts, RR: 13 Posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7425 times:
AA
ORD-PVR RESUMES 10/2009 9/week; previously ended 5/2009 with no resumption
CO
CO extended a number of seasonal routes to year-round. It could be a well thought out plan to try to run full year ops now that oil is cheaper...or it may be a filing mistake. I think the latter.
ANC-IAH EXTENDED year-round Daily; previously ended 9/2009 with no resumption
ATH-EWR EXTENDED year-round Daily; previously ended 8/2009 with no resumption
CLE-LHR EXTENDED year-round Daily; previously ended 9/2009 with no resumption
NRT-SPN CORRECTED; this was only selling for 9/2009; now it begins in 8/2009 and continues with 14/week
YVR-EWR EXTENDED year-round Daily; previously ended 8/2009 with no resumption
DL
BDL-FLL CXLD as of 6/2009 was 1 RT on an M88
FI
KEF-YYZ CXLD as of 11/2009 was 5/week on a 75W
NW
NW's OAG schedule has been erratic the last few weeks. I do believe the MSP-CDG and DEN-MSP changes, though.
CDG-MSP CXLD as of 10/2009 was daily 767
DEN-MSP from 6 RT to 8 (WN Response)
DTW-LYH CXLD was 1 RT CRJ
(added last week, deleted this week)
DTW-FCO, back to seasonal again
(switches every couple of weeks)
MEM-SFO CXLD as of 11/2009 was daily 319 (did not operate Nov08 to Mar09 either)
UA
PSC-SFO NEW as of 6/2009 2 rt on CRJ
OAG changes usually appear in GDS by Monday, except DL/NW because they will probably change their minds by then.
Mke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2309 posts, RR: 5 Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7330 times:
SNCntry32 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1511 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7286 times:
Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
MEM-SFO CXLD as of 11/2009 was daily 319 (did not operate Nov08 to Mar09 either)
Wow, second new service for PSC this year, following the launch of PSC-MSP. Makes a lot of sense though - PSC is the one place in Washington that seems to keep growing, with lots of jobs due to the Hanford cleanup.
Sf3SCE From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 115 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 7237 times:
Burnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7411 posts, RR: 9 Reply 5, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 7156 times:
ThePalauan From Guam, joined Oct 2006, 264 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7056 times:
Quoting Enilria (Thread starter): NRT-SPN CORRECTED; this was only selling for 9/2009; now it begins in 8/2009 and continues with 14/week
The local paper here also reported that CS was adding a single daily GUM-KIX flight for about the same time frame. They're anticipating bigger loads of tourists this summer but still, it's interesting they're doing the double-daily SPN-NRT service seeing as how they've pretty much stopped jet service to SPN and relied on Cape Air to do all the shuttling to GUM for connections.
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Rampguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7040 times:
Looks like CO in IND is going to all RJs this fall. Has their loads and yield dropped that much that they feel that IND cannot sustain mainline flying anymore?
OA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 4978 posts, RR: 25 Reply 8, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7033 times:
RL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4537 posts, RR: 13 Reply 9, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6795 times:
Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 5): Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
DL
BDL-FLL CXLD as of 6/2009 was 1 RT on an M88
All these went to NW.
They don't show NW picking it up, but I think this might be an error. TPA and PBI are shwon as NW, but not FLL.
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FWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3170 posts, RR: 1 Reply 10, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 6795 times:
Quoting Rampguy (Reply 7): Looks like CO in IND is going to all RJs this fall. Has their loads and yield dropped that much that they feel that IND cannot sustain mainline flying anymore?
More than likely, it's because of the switch from SkyTeam to Star, and CO is optimizing based on market for that reason.
There's probably more SkyTeam frequent-fliers in the IND catchment area than Star ones, even with UA+US+CO combined. And keep in mind that IND was NW's second-largest non-hub WorldPerks base prior to the DL/NW merger (second only to MKE) and also has a sizable DL SkyMiles base.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16247 posts, RR: 52 Reply 11, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6637 times:
Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 10): More than likely, it's because of the switch from SkyTeam to Star, and CO is optimizing based on market for that reason.
There's probably more SkyTeam frequent-fliers in the IND catchment area than Star ones, even with UA+US+CO combined. And keep in mind that IND was NW's second-largest non-hub WorldPerks base prior to the DL/NW merger (second only to MKE) and also has a sizable DL SkyMiles base.
I don't think that's the reason, the real reason is CO expedited the retirement of their entire 737-300 fleet and a big chunk of their 737-500 fleet by the end of the year. Obviously there are going to be a lot of routes losing mainline service until the 737-800s and 737-900ERs on order are able to pick up the slack.
There are 30 737-300s / 737-500s leaving CO's fleet by the end of the year, CO has 50 737-800 / 737-900ERs on firm order which will make up for the loss of the 737-300s and 737-500s.
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21214 posts, RR: 19 Reply 12, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6443 times:
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 9): They don't show NW picking it up, but I think this might be an error. TPA and PBI are shwon as NW, but not FLL.
In July, I see
NW1553 BDL 0805 TPA 1056 319 daily
NW1789 BDL 1515 PBI 1805 319 daily
I see no FLL service (though NW will still, as they do now, fly LGA-FLL).
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Greenair727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 441 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6374 times:
Quote: CO extended a number of seasonal routes to year-round. It could be a well thought out plan to try to run full year ops now that oil is cheaper...or it may be a filing mistake. I think the latter.
ANC-IAH EXTENDED year-round Daily; previously ended 9/2009 with no resumption
ATH-EWR EXTENDED year-round Daily; previously ended 8/2009 with no resumption
CLE-LHR EXTENDED year-round Daily; previously ended 9/2009 with no resumption
NRT-SPN CORRECTED; this was only selling for 9/2009; now it begins in 8/2009 and continues with 14/week
YVR-EWR EXTENDED year-round Daily; previously ended 8/2009 with no resumption
Can anyone from CO confirm if these are intended changes or indeed a mistake?
True, but they were selling these year-round for this year until this week. I don't know if that was an attempt to deceive customers when they knew it was going to be seasonal or whether they mistakenly were selling it year-round.
Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 1): What aircraft will this route be flown with? With the 738s AA is bringing back to ORD this seems like a good route for one of em.
When it resumes it shows M80. It is flown with an M83 now.
Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 9): They don't show NW picking it up, but I think this might be an error.
That one didn't. It is either cxld or one of a string of amateurish filing mistakes DL/NW has been making lately. Neither carrier is listed as flying it after the end date above.
USAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2680 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5361 times:
Quoting Enilria (Thread starter): CLE-LHR EXTENDED year-round Daily; previously ended 9/2009 with no resumption
Cubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 21214 posts, RR: 19 Reply 18, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4937 times:
Quoting Enilria (Reply 15): When it resumes it shows M80. It is flown with an M83 now.
It'll probably wind up being an M83; AA typically inserts M80 as a placeholder for a lot of M80, M83, and 752 flying and puts the actual type in a month or two out.
I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
Enilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 6129 posts, RR: 13 Reply 19, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4445 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 17): No, NW will be flying it. Error in OAG.
Well the error would be DL's. OAG is just a database. If you know the DL people well enough to be sure that is a mistake can you tell them to get their freaking act together with OAG filings? What's with ILM and then LYH?
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 18): It'll probably wind up being an M83; AA typically inserts M80 as a placeholder for a lot of M80, M83, and 752 flying and puts the actual type in a month or two out.
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 6867 posts, RR: 29 Reply 20, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4387 times:
Quoting Sf3SCE (Reply 4): Can we see any new service to SCE?
NW is adding back (finally) a 3rd daily DTW-SCE flight in June. They're adding back the midday turn with a CRJ.
Sf3sce From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 115 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4311 times:
I saw that when trying to book a flight to FLL but the only down thing about it is that i think its only seasonal because looking a few months ahead i tlooks like it is already gone. I think we need the 0900 flight back i miss that one i took it all the time and when going to Asia it was a goood flight instead of having to take the 0620 flight and sit around in DTW for hours on end till midday afternoon. D E L T A needs to really bring back ATL or add MSP because flights are running full on them and I think ATL would be a good one to add considering it did well when we had it
SurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2588 posts, RR: 31 Reply 22, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4280 times:
Will CO continue to codeshare with AS after transitioning to the Star Alliance? If so, I imagine the connecting opportunities on both ends of the flight + demand between two key U.S. energy/oil producing cities/regions might just be able to support this flight through the winter. Still seems like quite a stretch, though. Will CO still offer ANC-SEA service??
I'm surprised this flight was seasonal in the first place. Aren't Greek winters quite pleasant? I imagine Greece would be one European destination that would be popular year round.
This just seems like an awful idea. Neither Cleveland nor London are at all pleasant during the winter. Maybe this will be feasible due to a CO/bmi codeshare, or maybe CO just has to do something to keep a valuable LHR slot in use. I still don't see why CO pax can't just transit via EWR. Are there any cities served from CLE that are not also served from EWR (or IAH)?
I'm surprised this flight didn't work, while YHZ has???? FI serves all of the major European cities from KEF. Why can't important North American cities like Toronto or Chicago support FI service?
WN must be doing fairly well in MSP. Will be interesting to see if the station stays rather small (like DTW or CLE) or becomes surprisingly large (like PHL or DEN). Either way, I don't think NW/DL should worry too much - WN will never be competing on MSP-North Dakota or MSP-Montana flights anytime soon!
Pasco is a rapidly growing city in the center of a vast agricultural and wine producing region. Good to see UA increasing flights to secondary Pacific Northwest cities (EUG, MFR, GEG, PSC, etc.) even as SEA and PDX ops have been dramatically scaled back.
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Jetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 2901 posts, RR: 29 Reply 23, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4194 times:
Quoting Enilria (Reply 19):
Well the error would be DL's. OAG is just a database. If you know the DL people well enough to be sure that is a mistake can you tell them to get their freaking act together with OAG filings? What's with ILM and then LYH?
Give them a break man. The task of combining these two networks is an incredibly massive undertaking. The same small team is doing all DL, NW and the regional carriers. At the same time they are removing another 10% of ASM's from the schedule. Mistakes are going to be made and corrected. No one should have expected otherwise. No hard, no foul in most of it.
Greenair727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 441 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (4 years 1 month 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 3769 times:
[quote]This just seems like an awful idea. Neither Cleveland nor London are at all pleasant during the winter.....Are there any cities served from CLE that are not also served from EWR (or IAH)? [quote]
Is London weather ever pleasant? Just kidding. But winter or not, in both cities, business must continue to operate year-round. CLE-LGW pre-9/11 was year-round. And yes, there are some CO markets that are served only to CLE and not IAH or EWR.
25 OlympicATH: Well I didn't see that one coming... Are you sure?? Actually SurfandSnow, CO launched this route in 2007, along with US's PHL-ATH and only one year a
26 Cubsrule: Stronger winter winds make the westbound flight longer in the winter.
27 OlympicATH: Thanks a lot Cabsrule, that's what I thought. Westbound is scheduled 11hrs55min and eastbound 11hrs5min. Is there a US law about a compulsory 3rd cap
28 Enilria: I guess the only surprising part is that they waited until April to sell it for Fall. That probably indicates there was some debate internally. I'm e
29 Falcon84: Every source I've been able to shake doesn't know anything about CLE-LHR going year-round. So I'm pretty dubious about that one. Again, don't get exc
30 Greenair727: unfortunately, I am too. On CO's website, I've tried booking CLE-LHR nonstop for random dates after oct 09 and the system always routes me via EWR.
31 Rampguy: Now it looks as if CO as reloaded the mainline in IND for this fall as it was not there last week, so I guess they have had a change of heart. What d
32 Enilria: I don't doubt it was an error. I'm expecting they will correct them in this weekend's update.
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