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BD Pulling Out Of LBA?  
User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3883 times:

Does anyone else think BD are about to pull out of LBA?

They seem to be struggling - with just 2x daily services to EDI, GLA and BRU remaining (meaning their three based Embraers spend a lot of the day on the ground), having just lost their flagship LHR route and recently dropping regular flights to CDG and CPH.

Surely a base this small isn't that profitable?

If BE opened a base at LBA they could make a far better job of regional business routes - their business model would suit the routes well. They already operate to EXT, ABZ, SOU and BHD - links to EDI, GLA, BRU and LGW would complement their network.

Was the axing of LHR the beginning of the end of BD at LBA?


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User currently offlineTheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3835 times:

I think they have already announced they are pulling out of LBA.

User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3751 times:

BD have announced they are pulling LHR. Their bmi regional operation is planned to operate as normal.

Regards

Mike


User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3497 times:



Quoting HUYfan (Reply 2):
BD have announced they are pulling LHR. Their bmi regional operation is planned to operate as normal.

I know that much... but there are rumours that regional are going to pull out of LBA completely. Can anyone confirm this?



Next flights: LGW-LBA-LGW, LHR-SIN-SYD, SYD-BKK-LHR, LGW-GRO, GRO-CIA, CIA-MAD, MAD-LGW
User currently offlineJc2354 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 582 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3484 times:

Surprising, in that I had always heard that LBA-LHR was a cash cow. Oh well, live and learn.

Jack



If not now, then when?
User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3126 times:



Quoting Jc2354 (Reply 4):
I had always heard that LBA-LHR was a cash cow

They downgraded from 5x daily A319s to 4x daily Embraer 135s to nothing within a year. I think LHR was losing out to the LBA-AMS link on KL for worldwide connections, and the train for Leeds to London passengers.



Next flights: LGW-LBA-LGW, LHR-SIN-SYD, SYD-BKK-LHR, LGW-GRO, GRO-CIA, CIA-MAD, MAD-LGW
User currently offlineJonnyWishbone From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 143 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2949 times:

I wanted a day return to BRU last week for two people booking a week in advance and BMI wanted £ 1200 for their 'cheapest' ticket for the 2 of us (Ie economy! - I ended up at MAN on SN Brussels for £ 120 each!

So w can caonclude that the plane was either full and they're making a fortune, or they are scaring everyone off and losing a fortune... I probably think the latter?

Regarding LHR, I am surprised that the star connections wouldn't justify a morning departure from LHR returning back a Midday, I think that this is a loss for Star, but accept that it probably loses as a route on its own


User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2890 times:



Quoting JonnyWishbone (Reply 6):
So we can conclude that the plane was either full and they're making a fortune, or they are scaring everyone off and losing a fortune... I probably think the latter?

Agreed. They were charging up to GBP500 return on their cheapest return ticket between LBA and LHR during the last few months of operation. No wonder it wasn't feasible! I remember paying GBP40 return for the route a couple of years ago.

How can they justify charging so much?



Next flights: LGW-LBA-LGW, LHR-SIN-SYD, SYD-BKK-LHR, LGW-GRO, GRO-CIA, CIA-MAD, MAD-LGW
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27003 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2596 times:

Looks like Flybe have steeped in and will run LBA-LGW . The service will run three times a day using Bombardier Q400 aircraft from June 29.

User currently offlineOffloaded From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2009, 886 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2536 times:

BD seems to do some strange things. They dumped MAN BGI, and now VS picks it up.

I recently flew LHR MAN and the flight was full. (My fare was £13 + tax). So why not LBA? BE may do ok for domestic traffic, but will pax want to do the LGW/LHR transfer to connect to a long haul ex LHR? Or will MAN pick up former LBA (connecting) pax?



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27003 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2483 times:



Quoting Offloaded (Reply 9):
BD seems to do some strange things

Indeed they have lost sense of direction. Chopping and changing is very unsettling for business travellers which is who they want to attract.


User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7379 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2434 times:
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Quoting Offloaded (Reply 9):
They dumped MAN BGI, and now VS picks it up.

It's a tad more complicated as the services would, I imagine, are mostly reliant on Virgin Holidays so essentially they weren't competing in the strictest sense of the word. BD started MAN-BGI in Nov 2004 on a 2 weekly basis, plus a weekly MAN-UVF service. VS started MAN-BGI in Nov 2005 (as well as adding to MAN-MCO). BD then, on the face of it, dropped UVF and added a 3rd BGI around Nov/Dec 2006. VS added MAN-UVF in 2007 and dropped it this year. BD about to drop MAN-BGI and VS to slightly increase capacity by going from 1 744 wkly to 2 A340-300s weekly.


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7152 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2353 times:

BMI = British Midlands Ignored  Sad

Quoting OA260 (Reply 10):
Indeed they have lost sense of direction. Chopping and changing is very unsettling for business travellers which is who they want to attract.

To be fair to BMI they have regained a requirement to try and operate profitably - especially in the economy we now face.

As for regional domestic routes ex LBA to scotland - a Q400 makes much more sense.



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User currently offlineBA319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8546 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2308 times:
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Quoting Jc2354 (Reply 4):
I had always heard that LBA-LHR was a cash cow

- Everytime I flew the route, then planes were about 10% full if that!



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User currently offlineAirNZ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 2281 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 10):
Chopping and changing is very unsettling for business travellers which is who they want to attract.

I rarely indeed disagree with you, but how come? I mean, it's not that changing schedules is done overnight, so how are these poor 'business travellers' unsettled?


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27003 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2244 times:



Quoting AirNZ (Reply 14):
I rarely indeed disagree with you, but how come? I mean, it's not that changing schedules is done overnight, so how are these poor 'business travellers' unsettled?

Well I know what you mean but Im thinking of the ones in the LBA area that they built up a large loyal following. Lots of people who have been Gold Diamond club members who now feel let down. These guys were not buying cheap tickets either. Just reading some of the comments on the other forum. Maybe its calming down a bit now but I cant keep track sometimes with BMI's ''enhancements''.  Big grin


User currently offlineSam1987 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 946 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2059 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 8):
Looks like Flybe have steeped in and will run LBA-LGW . The service will run three times a day using Bombardier Q400 aircraft from June 29.

Note I predicted this route on the thread starter before BE announced it... so maybe I other predictions will be correct yet!

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 12):
As for regional domestic routes ex LBA to scotland - a Q400 makes much more sense.

I say BE should open a base at LBA. BD's days in Yorkshire are numbered.



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