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Air Austral Starts RUN-SYD-NOU  
User currently offlineMashimaro1 From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 46 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5409 times:

Air Austral starts CDG-RUN-SYD-NOU tomorrow! Does anyone have anymore information on it? It's been loaded on Sydney' airport's site for the 14th. I find it interesting that the inbound arrives at 3:50pm and departs for NOU at 5:40pm but then (I assume since there's no second arrival in SYD listed) it overnights at NOU?!

And the last I heard they hadn't been granted local rights on SYD-NOU so that's a long way to carry through passengers all the way from Europe. Although, this was 6 months ago so things may have changed.

Does anyone else have anymore information? Have they been granted local rights on SYD-NOU?

It's always exciting to see a new airline at SYD buy flying such an exotic route makes an added bonus!!

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User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1517 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5355 times:

Here's some more info about this new service:



http://www.businesstraveller.com/new...ustral-launches-paris-sydney-route


User currently offlineIcarus75 From France, joined Oct 2003, 807 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5336 times:

Exotic way to go from Europe to Ausralia but I'm not sure it'll work!
Air Austral will have a lot of passenger on the CDG-RUN leg but I'm not sure people originating from CDG won't prefer to fly with AF/QF or even BA/QF to go down under.

As I think hey also fly to South Africa, they will may be catch people from there to go to SYD.



Flying is amazing!
User currently offlineMHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1108 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5287 times:

About UU having rights to sell tickets between SYD and NOU, it appears SB is putting its code on UU's flight which makes it possible to book on the UU flight between SYD and NOU and not be required to board the aircraft in RUN. However, it appears that it is not possible to purchase the SYD-NOU leg with UU and must be purchased as an SB flight. Definitely an exotic route!

User currently offline787KQ From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 549 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5168 times:

Austral to Australia...very appropriate.

At first it seems really out of the way as compared to other routes if headed from Paris to Sydney. But since the destinations are essentially on the other side of the globe, there are many ways to fly there that are not so ridiculously out of the way: similar to flying from SIN to EWR.

Total miles if going from Paris to Sydney via Singapore is 10,585, and via Reunion is 11,551, so about 10% longer.

I can imagine the exotic trip for someone going all the way to New Caledonia, with stops along the way. Wow!


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5946 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5091 times:
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I think Air Austral should do a CDG-SFO (or LAX)-NOU route.

User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7422 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5067 times:



Quoting Mashimaro1 (Thread starter):
Air Austral Starts RUN-SYD-NOU 

Proof that everything is possible with taxpayer's money ...


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8453 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4924 times:
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Quoting Mashimaro1 (Thread starter):
Air Austral starts CDG-RUN-SYD-NOU tomorrow! Does anyone have anymore information on it? It's been loaded on Sydney' airport's site for the 14th. I find it interesting that the inbound arrives at 3:50pm and departs for NOU at 5:40pm but then (I assume since there's no second arrival in SYD listed) it overnights at NOU?!



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 6):
Proof that everything is possible with taxpayer's money ...

It would be natural for an airline in the Indian Ocean to fly to Australia, for its own citizens and for Aussie tourism. 777 are very efficient at flying those long routes.


User currently offlineDJ748 From Australia, joined Jul 2006, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4792 times:

I don't know if anyone noticed this paragraph in the article. It seems like another case of journalists getting their information wrong.

[quote]Flights will be served by Boeing 777-200LR aircraft, configured for three classes: Leisure Class (economy, with a seat pitch of 83cm); Comfort Class (premium economy, with 34 leather seats, 125 degrees of recline and a 96-cm pitch); and Club Austral Class (business, with 14 seats, 145 degrees of recline and a 140-cm pitch).[quote]

Like, since when did they order the 77L? I know they have 777-200ER's, and the odd 737-500 and ATR 72's and soon to be delivered 77W's, but 77L? What the?

Also, another question here - IIRC, when the route was announced, I thought I read the route was going to be operated by a 77W. Was I reading it wrong?


User currently offlineMashimaro1 From Australia, joined Dec 2007, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3926 times:

I'm just a bit perplexed at the SYD-NOU timings. I would have thought to maximise aircraft utilisation the aircraft would have operated a same day return service instead of overnighting at NOU and spending an extra day away from service.

ie. The CDG-RUN-SYD would be the main service and the NOU leg would just be added to save it being parked the whole day at SYD airport, much like EK's DXB-SYD/BNE/MEL and their tag-ons to AKL and CHC.


User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5760 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3849 times:



Quoting Mashimaro1 (Thread starter):
And the last I heard they hadn't been granted local rights on SYD-NOU



Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 3):
However, it appears that it is not possible to purchase the SYD-NOU leg with UU and must be purchased as an SB flight

Gentleman, sources? If MHTripple7 is correct, why?

This is weird, UU is a French airline, French airlines have traffic rights SYD-NOU, so why can't UU sell tickets SYD-NOU-SYD?

Gemuser



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User currently offlineAnsettB727 From Australia, joined Mar 2004, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3673 times:

One needs to consider the markets served before passing judgement. This route has been a common one for French-speaking airlines. NOU is packed full of French who are working in New Cal on a contract, and need to get back to France on a regular basis.

New Cal and Réunion are also very popular with the French for holidays.

My understanding is that this route is not designed for people who want to fly from Europe to Australia: it's for getting French to either Réunion or Nouméa for work or a holiday, and then back home again.

AOM had a similar route back in 1997, but I think it was via Sri Lanka instead of RUN. UTA also used to serve Nouméa in a similar fashion.


User currently offlineRjm717 From Australia, joined May 2000, 88 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 3263 times:



Quoting DJ748 (Reply 8):
Also, another question here - IIRC, when the route was announced, I thought I read the route was going to be operated by a 77W. Was I reading it wrong?

You read right - the service will change to 77W aircraft from July-ish. The new aircraft were delayed by the Boeing strike.

R


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2897 posts, RR: 31
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3204 times:

I am very skeptical of this supposed CDG-SYD link. I imagine consumer awareness of this airline is just far too low. Air Tahiti Nui offered a convenient JFK-SYD connection, up against quite a bit more competition but also serving a much larger market segment, but TN failed to make inroads into the market and ultimately withdrew altogether. Not saying this won't work, but I have considerable doubts.


Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
User currently offlineMainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2107 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3104 times:

Coming in at 1167euro for CDG-SYD return which isn't bad, or £1050 - such a shame the pound-euro exchange rate is so bad for us Brits!

User currently offlineMHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1108 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2940 times:



Quoting Gemuser (Reply 10):
Gentleman, sources? If MHTripple7 is correct, why?

This is weird, UU is a French airline, French airlines have traffic rights SYD-NOU, so why can't UU sell tickets SYD-NOU-SYD?

I don't really have an actual source. I just looked through various GDS's, Expedia, and UU and SB's website and nowhere was the flight listed as a UU flight. The UU website doesn't list any flights between SYD and NOU and everywhere else it is listed as "SB 147 operated by UU". I'm not really sure of the reasoning for this, however.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25848 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2612 times:



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 13):
I am very skeptical of this supposed CDG-SYD link.

I recall seeing a full-page magazine or newspaper ad (forget which) in a French publication a week or two ago promoting their new service Paris-Sydney and mentioning that it was the only same-plane service between France and Australia. Overall elapsed times look fairly competitive with many connections via points in Asia.

French passengers will also like the ability to go all the way on an airline where they know the crew can serve them in their own language.


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