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Passenger Using CX 773 Crew Rest Area To Join MHC?  
User currently offlineCaptainTim From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2004, 431 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 16475 times:

I have a question on the use of crew rest area for passengers especially on CX flights. What is the SOP for Flight attendants on CX regarding the use of crew rest areas for passengers even if they are First Class Passengers?

I bring this question up based on a trip report I read:

http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dd47vvjp_1285cwtbkkg7

quote "[On these long, long flights there really isn't anything to do after the meal service so my gf and I were cudlling and watching movies. With the magnificent large bed one thing led to another and soon my friend Alvin was at our side saying would you like the privacy of our crew rest upstairs? It is currently unoccupied. My gf and I looked at each other and were like, sure why not? We haven't been in the mile high club yet!......]"

I was just curious what the policy is for passengers to utilize the crew rest area even if it is empty and not in use. I have seen on multiple occasions, the crew rest area being used for medical emergencies however, I was just curious what CX policy is and what CX feels about their F/A encouraging passengers to use the crew rest area for more intimacy...

I know SQ discourages any sort of inappropriate behavior on their Suites even with a double bed on the 380s.

thanks i was just curious!

CaptainTim


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User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16449 times:

This is quite boggling to me. I wonder if, for U.S. flagged a/c, there is an FAA reg. baring the use of crew rest suites but passengers?

Interesting to say the least and sounds very inappropriate. I mean, why would the F/A even encourage it? THEY will have to use that smelly, stinky, well you get the point Big grin



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User currently offlineCaptaintim From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2004, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16401 times:

Well on FAR Part 121.313

[For airplanes equipped with a crew rest area having separate entries from the flightdeck and the passenger compartment, a door with such a locking means must be provided between the crew rest area and the passenger compartment.]

The only FAR that I have knowledge of regarding the use of crew rest area is this one part 121.313 but does anyone have other information regarding individual airline policies and regulatory policies for passengers to use the crew rest area?

What hit me was how inappropriate it was for a F/A to suggest them to move somewhere more intimate and more boggling was that the F/A would eventually have to spend time in the crew rest area him/herself so why would you want to sleep in a bed someone just did the fun time in?



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User currently offlineSkymiler From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 528 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16385 times:

Er -- just read the sticker on the door to the rest area on the Delta 777LR's! Quite clear about "occupancy" limits on the furniture!
 Smile



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21505 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16373 times:

Sounds like a made up story to me. People make up stories about sex all the time.


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User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16334 times:

Tim,

The report is quite clearly satire. Americans as a whole seem to be particularly bad at detecting satire (sorry, but it's a valid observation).

Perhaps one of the clues would have been that according to his report, the CX crew were picking lint out of the carpet with a flashlight at night?  Wink



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User currently offlineCaptaintim From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2004, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16321 times:

I believe the sticker says 1 occupant and ontop of that i believe if i am not mistaken, the sticker also states that the occupant must be trained in how to react in rapid decompression because it is quite different in the crew rest area from the passenger seat.

in addition, isn't it a security threat because the crew rest area has a direct access to the cockpit? the crew rest area depicted is the pilot one and not the F/A one which has more beds at the back of the plane.

[Edited 2009-04-10 19:21:11]


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User currently offlineCaptaintim From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2004, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 16295 times:



Quoting TG992 (Reply 5):
the CX crew were picking lint out of the carpet with a flashlight at night?

I have seen on SQ first class, F/As clean up the carpet during the night with a flashlight as i was walking past and almost tripped on a F/A who was on the floor cleaning something up. possibly not lint but something!

Quoting TG992 (Reply 5):
The report is quite clearly satire.

What happens if it was true, it could have been true that the F/A truly was that generous to open up the pilot crew rest area to the passengers. and also the trip reporter is quite dumb to name the F/As who brought him up as he is risking that persons's career.

Do pilots on CX use the Shanghai Tang First class sheets in their crew rest area cuz that is what this passenger is lying on in the picture.



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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9002 posts, RR: 75
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 16004 times:



Quoting TG992 (Reply 5):

The report is quite clearly satire. Americans as a whole seem to be particularly bad at detecting satire (sorry, but it's a valid observation).

Very true, that crew rest would on a 4 crew flight have at least two pilots in it for most of the trip. During flight, it is a flight crew rest, it is where the flight crew rest, I would expect p see someone in there from about 1 hr ish after departure to 1 hr ish before arrival. I would suggest the photo was taken after the flight landed.

Quoting Captaintim (Reply 2):
Well on FAR Part 121.313

The aircraft is not registered in the US, CX does not follow FAR rules it follows the HK CAD rules. If anything the HK CAD rules are more aligned to JAR (European) rules.

Quoting CaptainTim (Thread starter):
I have a question on the use of crew rest area for passengers especially on CX flights. What is the SOP for Flight attendants on CX regarding the use of crew rest areas for passengers even if they are First Class Passengers?

Only people allowed in those crew rests are people with the appropriate emergency procedures training, which could include off duty CX crew who are riding the jump seats.

Quoting Captaintim (Reply 2):
What hit me was how inappropriate it was for a F/A to suggest them to move somewhere more intimate and more boggling was that the F/A would eventually have to spend time in the crew rest area him/herself so why would you want to sleep in a bed someone just did the fun time in?

FA would never make such a suggestion, just like they would not suggest taking you to the cockpit during flight. The cabin crew do not use that crew rest, and would have no idea if it had cockpit crew were occupying it.

After flight, having a quick look at the crew rest or the cockpit maybe done if you hold your tongue right, ask polity, and then it is still up to the crew. They are still busy for a period of time even while the passengers are alighting, and even when empty.

Quoting Captaintim (Reply 6):

in addition, isn't it a security threat because the crew rest area has a direct access to the cockpit?

No direct access to the cockpit.

Quoting Captaintim (Reply 7):

Do pilots on CX use the Shanghai Tang First class sheets in their crew rest area cuz that is what this passenger is lying on in the picture.

No, from memory the tag just says "Cathay Pacific" and a year on manufacture. Same with the brown blankets.



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User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 15982 times:



Quoting Captaintim (Reply 7):
What happens if it was true, it could have been true that the F/A truly was that generous to open up the pilot crew rest area to the passengers. and also the trip reporter is quite dumb to name the F/As who brought him up as he is risking that persons's career.

It's not true, Tim - let me reinforce that. CharlesMD is a prolific and controversial poster on flyertalk.com, and I suspect this is a satire of his trip reports written by someone else.

However, if I had done the same thing on an Air New Zealand flight, I would have been terminated immediately following an investigation. Passengers are not permitted in crew rest areas because they are not trained in how to exit from it in the event of an emergency and/or jammed door, the oxygen masks in the event of decompression are in a different location to those in the cabin, and a myriad of other safety reasons, without even considering the obvious security issues.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21505 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 15884 times:



Quoting TG992 (Reply 9):
without even considering the obvious security issues

Or that letting strangers use your bed to make babies is just really icky...



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User currently offlineCaptaintim From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2004, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 15790 times:

Quoting Zeke (Reply 8):

The aircraft is not registered in the US, CX does not follow FAR rules it follows the HK CAD rules. If anything the HK CAD rules are more aligned to JAR (European) rules.

Yeah being an American trained pilot I only knew how to look up FAA. in addition i was responding to an earlier post where the other poster was wondering if it was an N registered aircraft if there were any FARS regarding crew rest area accesss. but thanks FAR's wasn't sure how and where to find the JAR rules but thanks

Quoting Zeke (Reply 8):
Only people allowed in those crew rests are people with the appropriate emergency procedures training, which could include off duty CX crew who are riding the jump seats.

that is what i thought. since i fly Private aicrafts, i'm not sure entirely of the operations regarding crew rest area but from discussions with other pilots my understanding was occupants must have training in rapid decompression and emergency ops as you mentioned

Quoting Zeke (Reply 8):
FA would never make such a suggestion, just like they would not suggest taking you to the cockpit during flight. The cabin crew do not use that crew rest, and would have no idea if it had cockpit crew were occupying it.

exactly what i thought. F/As use the rest area at the aft correct? but i did thought cabin crew had acess to the cockpit crew rest area guess i am wrong thanks for the info though ZEKE

Quoting TG992 (Reply 9):
harlesMD is a prolific and controversial poster on flyertalk.com, and I suspect this is a satire of his trip reports written by someone else.

thanks, i don't know much about charles MD but i'm glad i got this out of the system. i was quite disturbed when i went through the trip reports to find this floating around.

i dont know if this was written by someone else. it seems like he wrote it as i found it under his own charlesmd trip report post but it was linked to the google docs.
just search charlesmd on trip report and you will find this post  

[Edited 2009-04-10 23:51:37]


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User currently offlineCaptaintim From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2004, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9555 times:

News Update:

This has opened an investigation by CX:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/5...ple-accused-joining-milehigh-club/

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4387455/



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4502 posts, RR: 72
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8962 times:

Please continue this discussion in the following thread containing further developments pertaining to this issue:

CX Investigates Claim Couple Had Sex In Crew Rest

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