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User currently offlineDLlaxPride From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 17 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 16665 times:

Anyone know when DL stopped flying the L1011 to Europe? Also what was the configuration on the A/C?

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User currently onlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5241 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 16644 times:



Quoting DLlaxPride (Thread starter):
Anyone know when DL stopped flying the L1011 to Europe? Also what was the configuration on the A/C?

Well they stopped flying the L10's internationally in the late 90's IIRC. AFAIK, DL decided to base its intercontinental service around the 767 and the M11 so the L10s were relegated to domestic routes. Given that the L10 could not profitably operate all of DL's European routes at the time while the 763 was likely one of the considerations other than the obvious fact that at the time, the aircraft were reaching the end of their serviceable life with DL.



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User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6559 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 16624 times:

I believe the year was 1998 when the last L1011-500's were pulled off of intl. routes. They had a 3-class configuration at the time IIRC then were later switched to 2-class for domestic services: F24Y219.

User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 16593 times:

DL operated L1011-250s as well as -500s on US-Europe routes. In 3 class config, the -250 had close to 270 seats, IIRC. The -500s were used to begin Asia service but were replaced by MD-11s. The L1011-250s were also used to Hawaii until they were replaced by 764s.

User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10393 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 16518 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 3):
DL operated L1011-250s as well as -500s on US-Europe routes. In 3 class config, the -250 had close to 270 seats, IIRC. The -500s were used to begin Asia service but were replaced by MD-11s. The L1011-250s were also used to Hawaii until they were replaced by 764s.

If I'm not mistaken, an ordinary, domestic L-1011-200 was also used from the west coast to HNL.



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User currently offlineDL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1937 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 16481 times:

VIE was the last DL L-1011 International destination served. I believe the last scheduled service was sometime in '99, but the occaisional international equipment sub for a 767ER would sometimes occur.


This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
User currently offlineCush From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 235 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 16117 times:

If I am not mistaken I believe I have photos of DL L1011's in HNL from 1998-1999. I miss those planes so much. However, they were pretty dirty IIRC.


Fly me to the moon let me play among the stars.
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16859 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 16083 times:



Quoting Cush (Reply 6):
I miss those planes so much. However, they were pretty dirty IIRC.

My last DL L1011 flight was 1997 from EWR-ATL and ATL-MCO, I sat in the rear section and when they started that engine back there the rear of the aircraft filled with fumes that stayed with us all the way to ATL. Made me really light headed.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineSkyTeamTriStar From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 16059 times:

I will try to find the Official teletype message announcing the retirement of the TriStar. After all these years, I have kept the orig. teletype. I'll post the message on here after the Easter Wknd.

User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10393 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 15984 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 7):
My last DL L1011 flight was 1997 from EWR-ATL and ATL-MCO, I sat in the rear section and when they started that engine back there the rear of the aircraft filled with fumes that stayed with us all the way to ATL. Made me really light headed.

You mean like this?????


http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k319/mayor86/TristarSmoke.jpg



"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16859 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 15942 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 9):
You mean like this?????

Exactly, as they were starting the engine we were being pushed back from the gate and right into the cloud of exhaust fumes. It was bad.



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineMayor From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 10393 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 15901 times:

I couldn't find the other pic in this sequence but at one point, the entire a/c disappears in a cloud of smoke. They were bad, but I think in most cases, they would push back and pull it forward before starting engine start. In the case in this pic, in SLC, we always pushed out of D-1 and then pulled forward to about D-5 to protect the terminal windows from jet blast. WA would push out of C-2, directly across from us, with engines running and the jet blast would catch us full at D-1 if we were working a flight.

BTW, this was an equipment substitution to accomodate a ski group. Normally it would have been a 727. We were all prepared to work a Tristar, even borrowing TWA's loader to handle the containers, but, when the a/c arrived that evening, we opened the bin doors and no containers, just a piece of carpet over the rollers and all the bags were bulk loaded.

[Edited 2009-04-11 08:42:59]


"A committee is a group of the unprepared, appointed by the unwilling, to do the unnecessary"----Fred Allen
User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4209 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 15867 times:

Ah the smells of a flight on a L1011 brings back memories, I think. I had my last flight on an DL L1011 back in '97 from LGW to ATL in business class. A certain lady who sat beside me marinated her self in a rank perfume for a goodly amont of time so I did not get to sample the fragrance from the aircraft.


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User currently offlineDl1011 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 386 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 15814 times:

My first international flight on Delta was a L1011 from ATL-AMS. After take-off, the flaps failed to retract and locked out. ATL had bad weather at the time and because the flaps couldn't be configured for landing, we ended up diverting to CVG. At the time, CVG did not have US Customs so we were stuck on the plane til the MTC folks fixed the A/C and a new crew arrived from ATL. It turned into a huge delay and really kind of sucked. My wife asked me what kind of A/C we were on and I told her it was a L1011. Without missing a beat, she responded that she didn't think very highly of L1011's! I miss the old birds!

User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9335 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 15797 times:



Quoting Mayor (Reply 9):

 Sad  Sad  Sad
man what Id do to get to smell that great smell one more time
 cry   cry 



yep.
User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9335 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 15793 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 7):
My last DL L1011 flight was 1997 from EWR-ATL and ATL-MCO, I sat in the rear section and when they started that engine back there the rear of the aircraft filled with fumes that stayed with us all the way to ATL. Made me really light headed.

This is what I call old school IFE.  duck   duck 



yep.
User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6486 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 15727 times:

My last DL L-1011 flight was in 1994 on HNL-LAX, however, my last L-1011 flight period was in 1999 on ATA on an SJU-JFK flight.


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User currently offlineMilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1995 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 15695 times:

The last Trans Atlantic route operated with the L-1011 was ATL-SNN-DUB. I believe the flight was switched to a 767ER in 1999 or 2000. The L-1011-250's were used on the ATL-HNL and ATL-DFW-HNL flights long after they were pulled out of international service.

User currently offlineBreaker1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 938 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 15683 times:

My last L11 (that was the designation for the L-1011-250 I think) was DFW-HNL then LAX-HNL and HNL-DFW..

DFW-HNL L11 made landing in LAX due to engine problem.. replacement standard L10 took us to HNL 5 hours later...

A week later, HNL-DFW L11 made landing in LAX due to engine problem (SCARY now)... replacement L10 took us to DFW!

I think a few months later, DFW got debunked as a hub!

Queen of the skies - I miss it sorely!



Life's tough. It's even tougher if you're stupid. J. Wayne
User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6559 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 15642 times:

Last ever DL L1011 flight for me was in November '99...scheduled to fly ATL-BOS and booked the itinerary just to get on the L10 one more time. A/C was an L1011-1 and it arrived on-time from PBI but then it went mech...they replaced the full L10 flight with two M88's leaving at the same time. I immediately went to the customer service counter and asked to be rebooked on the next L10 flight (actually it was a L15) about five hours later...and she rebooked me after giving me a few weird looks. What I wouldn't do for a flight on a TriStar...flying's just not the same.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26933 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 15604 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 10):
Exactly, as they were starting the engine we were being pushed back from the gate and right into the cloud of exhaust fumes. It was bad.

That was part of the experience lol... My last flight was LAX-ATL-LGW in the late 90's. Shame they are gone. I loved those A/C.


User currently offlineConcordski From United States of America, joined Sep 2008, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 15386 times:

I flew on an L1011 twice to Hawaii 14 and 11 years ago from ATL. However on the 1st trip I learned to hate 2-5-2 seating as I had the middle of the 5 section. I never got the chance to fly one to Europe.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26933 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 15302 times:

IIRC the bulkheads had carpet ( red and grey ) in the pattern of squares. I loved the DL interior on the L10-11.

User currently offlineXaapb From Mexico, joined Jan 2005, 436 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 15088 times:

Great memories...
I was 3 or 4 years old, we drove all the way from Mexico City to Houston, slept in Houston then drove to Atlanta and drop our car in the parking lot, and flew Delta L1011 from ATL to MCO, my first ever widebody plane flight!

Greetings



Jorge Meneses
User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 15048 times:

Reading this thread makes me miss the L1011 so much! My last flight was in december 2002 before BW took them out of service! L1011 was a joy to fly in and had so much more character than these newer jets!

Regards
BWIA 772



Eagles Soar!
25 RB211 : Amen to that. I used to love to stand at the gate when they would start the engines. That thing could rattle the daylights out of the terminal window
26 Post contains links and images Sspontak : I never got a chance to fly the L-1011 on an international route but I did a fair share of DL Tristar flights: My first flight was ATL to MCO way back
27 474218 : Could you please explain why someone would drive 1600 miles (Mexico City to Atlanta). Then fly 320 miles (Atlanta to Orlando)?
28 PGNCS : You know, I have to admit that I wondered that same thing, but was too bashful to ask!
29 OA260 : A real Anutter in the making LOL... Ive heard of worse !!
30 Xaapb : I can't explain it! I'll ask my dad tomarrow that I'm back to Mexico! Greetings dude!
31 Adg737800 : Did many an international flight on the L1011-250/500 between MAN and ATL in the mid 1990s. The winter 1995 timetable from DL shows the configuration
32 United_fan : My only DL L10 flight was CVG-ZRH July '95.
33 Mayor : Flew on a DL SNN-ATL flight once, not long after the service started. Actually the flight originated in MUC, IIRC. We got to the airport and when we
34 T5towbar : I remember those L1011's. Those were some gorgeous planes. Especially in the old Delta livery. They looked much better than the DC 10's. Like a previo
35 WorldTraveler : Actually, -1s were used from the west coast at times. The "beauty" of the L1011 was that heart-throbbing roar that could be heard for three miles aro
36 Mayor : It wasn't just #2......they all smoked at startup and there were times when the a/c would completely disappear.
37 Kubus : My first and only flight on L1011 was FRA - CVG back in June 1993 on Delta. The routing was WAW - PRG - FRA - CVG - PIT. This was also my first flight
38 N62NA : I remember watching a UA DC8-61 starting up at EWR many years ago... a lot of exhaust from those engines. Any tech people out there who can answer thi
39 Post contains images Mayor : I'm not a tech person, but it seems like modern engines have a better fuel/air ratio than did the older ones and any fuel is burned more efficiently,
40 RB211 : I really wished Delta had bought back N198AT. That was their first Tri Star. They didn't have to fly it, just put it on static display so that I could
41 Post contains images Mayor : ????? My books don't show this reg. # at all for DL.
42 DAirbus : My only international flight on an L-1011 (actually a L-1011-500) was in July 98 ATL-MAD. I flew on a buddy pass in business and back then the dress c
43 474218 : Delta's first TriStar was s/n 1041 and was registered N701DA. It was sold to Total Air (Air America) registration changed to N701TT, then sold to Ame
44 Post contains images Mayor : Maybe this will help......
45 United1 : I think that list if missing a few of the 500s, IIRC DL had 17 of them in total including a few aquired after 91'
46 474218 : The list is also missing the L-1011-1's Delta purchased from Eastern.
47 WorldTraveler : I believe DL bought some -500s from AC as well.
48 TWAL1011727 : Last I knew Deltas L10s were F32Y270 (TTL 302 pax) in their last domestic incarnation... My most memorable TWA L10 flt was landing on rwy 26 at ABQ.
49 United1 : The -500s were converted to a domestic configuration of F24Y219 for a few years prior to their retirement once they were replaced on the transatlanti
50 474218 : You can add the following L-1011's to the list: L-1011-1 N781DL 193A1003 N782DL 193A1006 N783DL 193A1009 N784DA 193A1038 N785DL 193A1121 N786DL 193A1
51 1011 : My brother and I went on 62 L1011's all on DL. Most of those trips were to just go on the L10. Many times we were do double or triple connects to rout
52 Post contains links and images 474218 : Actually you sit in front of the number 2 engine, not under it. See the attached photo. View Large View MediumPhoto © Jose Jorge The unpainted a
53 Mayor : Well, that book was published in '90, so the list was up to date at that point.
54 SkyTeamTriStar : Delta News Release: (Retyped word for word) Lockheed L-1011 Retires from Delta Fleet after 28 years of Service Delta donates last aircraft to The Flyi
55 RB211 : Oops. I messed up the reg #. My bad.
56 MD-90 : That's a really good book. I remember checking it our from my local library when I was in middle school.
57 DeltaCTO : Mayor is correct both posts 45 and 51 The first list was published in 1990. The 10 ex-EA and 6 ex-AC aircraft were aquired later. Once they joined th
58 Post contains links DeltaCTO : Lots of DL L10's at VCV http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/small/9/6/7/0811769.jpg http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/small/8/6/7/
59 474218 : Actually Delta traded their first 11 L-1011's to Boeing as partial payment on 33 737's. Nine (9) of the 11 were purchased from Boeing by American Tra
60 United_Fan : Too bad the RB211's are obsolete.....
61 Theredbaron : Also the Tristar is the only Plane that used to have a Ghost that wanted to fly non rev. TRB
62 Dash500 : Too bad Lockheed isn't in passenger aircraft bussiness anymore. I'me sure today we would have higher standards of safety and comfort just like the L-
63 Mayor : I don't think Lockheed ever made huge amounts of money with the Tristar......most of it came from gov't contracts. Because of that, AND developments
64 M11Stephen : Ahhh, isn't nostalgia great?
65 BMI727 : The Tristar almost put Lockheed (and Rolls Royce) out of business.
66 474218 : Actually it was Rolls Royce going bankrupt that almost put Lockheed out of business.
67 Mayor : And that, my friends was why DL bought DC-10's, sold them to UA and leased them back until the L-1011 mess was straightened out.
68 Theredbaron : I Dont think there will be a nicer airplane than the Tristar EVER. Well the Concorde is nicer but is a different kind of beast.
69 EDICHC : Trouble is nostalgia ain't what it used to be. The Tristar is one of my three big aviation regrets... Never got to fly in the Tristar or the Vickers
70 Brilondon : I miss the sound that RR engines make when they spooled up just before takeoff.
71 United_fan : I didn't know that the 'can-in-the-engine' pic was real,I thought it was photoshopped. I remember watching the DL L's come and go at FLL in June 01.Go
72 Mayor : Oh, yeah....it's real. I remember that pic going around after it happened (in ATL, I believe) with the admonishment to make sure that ALL containers
73 M11Stephen : Theres still a couple airlines somewhere in Europe flying the L1011s...
74 Dash500 : Currently, no European airline is flying the L-1011. However euroAtlantic Airways still owns msn 293B-1240 with CS-TEB reg that is waiting for the la
75 Mayor : One of my biggest regrets was never having flown on a DL CV880. Wanted to experience that, just once.
76 Yellowtail : I flew the L1011 ATL-LGW and I remember it being one of the worst flights ever....the Flight attendants were rude, the aircraft smelled like a wet rug
77 Tommy767 : I love reading about all the tristar love and hate in this thread. It goes to show that despite DL not refirbishing them towards the 2000s, there were
78 Mayor : I think part of the problem with DL's Tristars had to do with the Western mechanics.....not their fault, but in SLC, especially, they weren't used to
79 Deltaflyertoo : I remember my first L1011-200 flight from ATL to SFO in March 99. UP to that point I had flown many times on what was even then considered older DC9s
80 RB211 : Amen. Like a high maintenance woman, you want to ride it first class, but you know you can't afford to!
81 Post contains links 474218 : I hear this a lot that but actual number do not support your claim. http://www.icao.int/icao/en/ro/allpirg/allpirg4/wp28app.pdf
82 L1011Lover : Well that's not quite true. DL's L1011-1 flying domestically indeed had the old 70's interior with no center bins, the brown and orange bulkheads etc
83 Tommy767 : I did a photo search on L-1011 interiors yesterday. Your right, they did upgrade the interiors a bit for the international birds and even put airphon
84 Sankaps : Though I too am nostlagic about the Tristar, I once had the misfortune of being stuck in the rear cabin on a Delta SFO-HNL flight in the mid-1990s. I
85 L1011Lover : The 1990's blue cloth interior you're talking about was actually introduced in late 1997 and never made it onto the L1011 fleet. I don't know what mi
86 DL_Mech : aka the Heath Tecna "Star bin" All of the -250's and -500's (except ship 737, the HNL -250) received the new bulkhead carpets ($6000 a piece) and new
87 Viscount724 : DL domestic L1011-1 and international L1011-500 configurations as of 1985 below. Aircraft interiors with seats in several colors was very common espe
88 1337Delta764 : Also, the original IFE systems on the L-1011s were upgraded in the early 1990s to a Matsushita system. The original in-seat IFE controls with channel/
89 STT757 : Just got back from picking up family members at ACY, there's a DL L-1011 on the FAA ramp at ACY along with what looks to be a DL 727 and various 737-2
90 Post contains links and images DL_Mech : Ship 727 View Large View MediumPhoto © Tom Turner
91 RB211 : That's a nice chart. Kinda biased considering the only L-1011 listed is the 500. What about the other types? And if what you say is true, why would t
92 Mayor : It's interesting to note, in that chart, that the -500 was cheaper to operate than the DC-10 and the MD-11, per block hour. Not much more than the 777
93 474218 : I take it you think the ICAO is bias toward Lockheed products? Why don't you ask the ICAO since it is their chart?
94 Nkops : The 727 is and old FedEx airplane which they use for training, and there is an old Air Canada 737-200 next to the old UA 747. The FAA also had an old
95 PBIflyguy : As much as I love and miss the L-1011, I do NOT miss those ex-Eastern birds. It really speaks to how well an aircraft is maintained. Even though we d
96 Post contains links Trigged : My one and only L-1011 flight was from Honolulu to DFW in the summer of 1995. I loved it! It was much better than the NW DC-10 that I took on the flig
97 CAMPBELL : First Delta L-1011 trip for me was 11 Nov 1983 MIA-ATL, then 26 Jul 188 ATL-DFW and finally 20 Jan 1998 DFW-ATL.
98 AlitaliaDC10 : Sadly I never got to travel on the L1011 - pretty amazing airplane. What was the take off experience like? Just as good as the DC10/MD11? - best feeli
99 Rb211 : I didn't say they were biased first off. Second, I don't need to ask them. Most of us know how many variants of each were assembled. Even you know al
100 Mayor : I think I can surmise a couple of answers, here. Lockheed had long since quit manufacturing the Tristar when McDonnell Douglas started on the MD-11.
101 Post contains links Milesrich : . The last L-1011 was built in 1983. The decision to build the -500 was not made until November of 1975, long after the intercontinental range DC-10-
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