Tango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3702 posts, RR: 34 Posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 21076 times:
Retrojet liveries are presently "the 'in' thing" with at least five of Europe's legacy airlines and I seem to remember seeing a drawing of a British Airways A320(?) in a retro livery resembling that of BEA c. ~1970. Since I have not been able to locate a photo of a 1:1 British Airways retrojet...
Does British Airways have, or plan to have, an entry in the retrojet category? ...or was the drawing I saw nothing more than a "flight of fancy?"
Srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 16221 posts, RR: 57 Reply 4, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 20499 times:
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Quoting Tango-Bravo (Thread starter): I seem to remember seeing a drawing of a British Airways A320(?) in a retro livery resembling that of BEA c. ~1970. Since I have not been able to locate a photo of a 1:1 British Airways retrojet...
These will have to do unless BA does get into the retrojet fold:
VV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 5860 posts, RR: 15 Reply 9, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 5 days ago) and read 20154 times:
Here is a photo taken just over ten years ago of the first BOAC 747. It wore this sort-of BOAC livery on the left side only after it made its final revenue flight:
Mysterzip From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 154 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 19430 times:
I don't think you'll see any sort of logo jet anytime soon (unless it's paid for by someone). Willie and his buddies are into the whole "brand" thing, thinking it's the only thing that will make them money.
Justlump From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 152 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 18791 times:
Call me crazy, but I loved the "World Tails." Granted, those colours did not look very 'British', but were awesome none the less.
Viscount630 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 203 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 17802 times:
A Retro-BOAC 744 would just look like a BOAC 741. IMHO retro liveries look better and attract more attention (the whole point of the thing) on types they did not have at the time. So a "BOAC" 767/777 (Either the 741 style, or VC-10/707 style), and "BEA" A319/320 (either the "Red Square" or "Union Flag" style), would look best.
Of course, in an ideal world, they would follow US Airways lead and also utilise the liveries of their "Legacy" companies that were merged and absorbed over the years to form BA. For instance BKS/Northeast, Cambrian, BCal, BUA, Airwork, Hunting-Clan, Air Charter, Transair, BSAA etc. Imagine THAT line-up at T5!!
GDB From United Kingdom, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 12357 posts, RR: 83 Reply 14, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 17354 times:
Reply 10, more like the cost of such a thing has to be justified in these difficult times.
If doing such a retrojet would cost more than a normal scheduled re-paint, staff who are fearing for the future would rightly be concerned.
BA does not exist to make enthusiasts happy.
The 747-100 pictured back in 1999, to commemorate the retirement of BA's oldest 747, generated some adverse comment from some staff.
Until it was revealed that the Engineering staff involved had done it with surplus materials in their own time, something that those who complained would never think of doing presumably.
Any other retrojet now would have to be similar.
Also, BA has upgraded it's paint bay hangar at the LHR base recently, at the moment staff are getting used to using the extensive new equipment there, to worry about doing a non standard paint job.
AlanUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 17124 times:
This has been discussed before, and yes, most of us are eagerly waiting for BA to come up with some kind of a Retro theme... I guess OneWorld liveries are keeping the painters busy enough for now, but how about this:
B747-4U3 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2002, 967 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 16604 times:
I don't think we'll see a retrojet any time soon.
Remember, British Shareways is run by beancounters. Painting aircraft in special schemes costs money and if the expenditure isn't going to be at least matched by an increase in revenue it is probably unlikely to happen - especially given the current climate.
Unfortunately, true of many airlines worldwide now... (both KLM/AF and LH are both public companies, yet they still did their Retro liveries).
A proud and long history is something that legacy carriers have against new entrant and low costs, so airlines should use this to their advantage, I always loved the BA black and white retro photos in the Club World cabins, that's clever marketing!
Also, from what I gather the repainting of aircraft occurs every 5-7 years or so, and painting it differently to another model may not cost much more than a regular repaint? Can someone enlighten us on the approximate cost of a repaint?
Also, the delight of all Airliners.netters surely would be worth the extra pennies?
David L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8994 posts, RR: 44 Reply 24, posted (3 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 16269 times:
Quoting Andz (Reply 18): I prefer this BEA livery...
Ditto. To me, the other one looks too much like a basic Ministry of Aviation "stamp".
Quoting Mysterzip (Reply 10): Willie and his buddies are into the whole "brand" thing, thinking it's the only thing that will make them money.
Which things that make money are they neglecting?
25 RJ111: I feel that fancy retro liveries are unfortunately not a very 'British' thing to do.
26 LongHauler: I agree. I still think the BEA "SpeedJack" livery and the final BOAC livery with the royal blue/gold speedbird to be among the finest ever placed on
27 Type-Rated: I still think the classic blue and gold BOAC livery was one of the classiest liveries every devised. It makes anything you put it on look great. And i
28 Linglesou: Spot on! Oh really?! Now that's some commitment...this isn't the normal practice with retrojets though is it? Oh wow, that would be something! Yeah,
29 Bramble: Does anyone know what the cost difference from standard to retro livery would be? Obviously the design would cost money. Would a more colourful than
30 GDB: So presumably, 'British Shareways' should be re-nationalised or something? Incredible, only the in the UK. BA are part of an industry that is world cl
31 Tango-Bravo: In a word (or actually a smilie)... ...same for the A319 and 320 illustrated in Reply 4 Based what we have seen in the way of 1:1 retrojets from IB,
32 Bramble: This would be an appropriate time to unveil a retro livery. It promotes the success and longevity of the brand.
33 VV701: We could wait another five years. Following the end of World War I three British airlines, Daimler Airways, Hadley Page Transport and Instone Air Lin
34 B747-4U3: Me too...those pics are very tasteful. I agree with you, a I believe BA could be doing more to promote its heritage. Perhaps, as suggested here, wait
35 Eljonno: Won't there be A380s in the BA fleet by 2012?
36 Rwy04LGA: Someone catch me. Me three! I thought that nose-wheel forward looks rather VC-10ish.
37 VV701: As far as I am aware not in time for the 25th anniversary of privatisation in February of that year or - as I put it - "in early 2012".
38 CHRISBA777ER: BOAC on an A388 would be just stunning.
39 BlueShamu330s: We're approaching wet dream material Chris; picture a BCAL A388. http://www.cardatabase.net/modifieda...os/search/search.php?search=normal
40 GDB: Really? I was reacting to the 'Briitsh Shareways' crack, I'm not offended and as you say, it illustrates a fact, consider it a 'eye rolling' reponse.
41 AlanUK: Here we are guys, work done: I thought a little 319 would be cute - Sure would be :D
43 BCAL: Someone once told me that the chances of a BA retrojet were slim, as they would need two, maybe three, different retrojets in order to keep everyone h
44 AlanUK: Thanks for pointing that out, it's been corrected.
45 B747-4U3: That BCAL livery on the 380 is absolutely fantastic. It works really well with the shape of the 380 and looks very classy. Why don't BA change their n
46 GDB: BCAL, you are so right about those different sources of management and staff generally. However, I can see why some would want it buried since it had
47 BlueShamu330s: Oh my stars and garters; she's beautiful. Houston, Rio, Riyadh.......if only. Rgds[Edited 2009-04-15 13:24:21]
48 ZuluTime: The retro livery really needed is the second BOAC one, with the gold outlining on the blue cheatline towards the nose. That looks really stunning on t
49 VV701: I am sorry but realistically the chances of seeing a retro BEA or BOAC livery on any active BA aircraft is, in my opinion, zero. Why has an airline li
51 FI642: How about an Imperial Airways Livery from the 1940's? Boeing Flying boats! BA has some incredible history, and should take advantage of it.
52 Aircellist: Me too... Yet... Those are very nice, and the BOAC one, fabulous, in my eyes. That reminds me of how boring are the eurowhite fuselages... I mean, if
53 Viscount630: The problem with that is that up until the late 1940's/early 50s the Imperial, BOAC and BEA liveries were decidely boring. During WW2, the aircraft w
54 CHRISBA777ER: Dont tease me! Stunning. As I suspected. Man, that is just absolutely gorgeous. Isnt she just? *swoon*
55 ACW367: G-SIXT flies out of Wycombe Air Park with the rest of the BA Flying club fleet that fly with the current Chatham livery. The logo on the nose celebra
56 CityofAthens: It still does in some departments - notably Cabin Crew or 'IFCE' - Inflight Customer Experience (don't laugh). Pretty much my angle on this thread!
57 AlanUK: I don't think the main point of a retro livery is to publicy the airline, it is to hit a "nostalgia" nerve with some passengers, and to celebrate the
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