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Is Jet Blue Going To Be Next Powerhouse  
User currently offlineMaxPowers From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 475 posts, RR: 0
Posted (13 years 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3432 times:

Is Jet Blue going to be the next powerhouse in the coming up years? They made a profit in the first 6 months, and they have realy cheep fairs to populat routs and are expanding. Expecialy in the down economy and bull markets, more people can fly thanks to Jet Blue...
Any Comments, any posts bashing me or my post are not welcome, but only sensable replys are.
Thanks in advance

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User currently offlinePilot1113 From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2333 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (13 years 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3318 times:

JetBlue has the right formula with the right people to go head-to-head with Southwest at the time being.

We'll have to see how this pans out though, as the market is dynamic. I believe that JetBlue will be fully able to contend with the majors in a decade or less, barring any unforseen circumstances.

Word of mouth advertising is helping JetBlue very well at this point.

- Neil Harrison


User currently offlineMichigan4life From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 212 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (13 years 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3284 times:

I'd give it a decade before jetBlue has defeated the mid-majors and will challenge the big boys. They are very promising.

Mike


User currently offlineGiantJets From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (13 years 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3264 times:

yes I agree that jetBlue will have a great future. However, I hope that Pan Am will become one of the majors also in the near future.

Giantjets..


User currently offlineKonaB777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (13 years 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3212 times:

One of the things that I believe is helping jetBlue very well is the fact that they are operating brand new A320s instead of ratty old DC9s or 737-200s. And, they're not trying to grow to fast a la Western Pacific or serving underserved markets a la Pan Am 3.

jetBlue appears to be on its way to being to the new decade what Southwest was to the 1970s.


User currently offlinePilot1113 From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2333 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (13 years 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3192 times:

JetBlue is Southwest (ver 2.0); bigger and better!  Smile

- Neil Harrison


User currently offlineLindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3103 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (13 years 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3196 times:
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Let's hope so! Having flown "JetBleu" several times across the country, I have yet to find any cause for complaint about their service. It's also very good that they are starting daytime service to ONT and OAK. Now they just need to start service to SAN so I can visit me mum and go to the beach.

User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4181 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (13 years 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3192 times:

Yall gotta remember though... cheap fares and stuff are great for starting up to get customers. Remember ValuJet? They cut some major corners when it came to maintenance. Just wait until the planes build their time up and have to go into heavy maintanence. That will be the determining factor as to how successful they will really be.


Chicks dig winglets.
User currently offlineIan From United States of America, joined May 1999, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (13 years 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3189 times:

i think that once jet blue infiltrates some of southwest's major markets on the east then we will definately be looking at a "major" competitor.

User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3174 times:

XFSUgimpB41X; God I hope that doesn't happen. many innocent men, women and children are now dead or injured or even scared for life along with the familes who are left behind to pick up the pices due to airline/FAA screw ups everytime a plane crashes due to them When the NTSB gets more power; You better bet I'll be celebrating. I've been through it myself.


"FUIMUS"
User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4466 posts, RR: 34
Reply 10, posted (13 years 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3173 times:

If JetBlue management continues to run the carrier as well as they have so far, the airline can look forward to a bright future. They have the world's largest O & D market as their base, exceptionally high a/c utilization, high quality service, and a cost structure that can keep fares low.

Neil's right that the market is dynamic, though. I'm convinced that the Big 6/ Oligopoly-Cartel carriers are keeping hands off JetBlue this year. They want their yummy anticompetitive supermergers approved, and they'll probably behave until consolidation gets through. After that, should it happen, is anybody's guess.

JetBlue CEO Neeleman recently said, though, that he would not mind mergers because JetBlue is ready to take the majors on. I hope so, because if superconsolidation happens, Big Air will drop the 2001 nice-guy act and try to destroy them.

Jim


User currently offlineJohnboy From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2561 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (13 years 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3130 times:

I just can't see the direct competition between jetBlue and Southwest yet. They both seem to have their specific niches, let alone the number of passengers, planes, etc. Southwest is still more point to point, and jetBlue is VERY much a New York-based O & D airline. Granted, jetBlue has a great population base in the Northeast to work with, but not many people are willing to connect at JFK traveling from the West Coast to Florida. It's like the airlines are inhabiting parallel universes.

User currently offlineGreg From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (13 years 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3106 times:

Jet Blue right now is an annoying little buzz on the East coast. At which point, they become a threat, SW, American, and United will see to their demise.

It's all about price..not service. The majors can easily withstand a price war much more readily than JetBlue.

JetBlue made an operating profit after six months--not a financial profit. There's a difference.

They have been successful. But I would be leary of thier long term viability.

AA and UA have a commanding presence at JFK.


User currently offlineNrlcd From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (13 years 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3088 times:

I think JetBlue is still too new for any of us to be making predictions on its success. I think it will be successful however, but that is just a personal hope! I think as the company begins to put some more months under its belt, it will be opening more destinations for its service. If the majors keep treating its passengers like cattle, then I think JetBlue will do well. BUt it does need to open more markets.....like Midwest Express...I think it could be great, but it offers too few destinations..its sad..ie, MInneapolis is in the midwest, but the NWA "monopoly" at MSP probably prevents Midwest Express from going there. sad.

User currently offlineMichigan4life From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 212 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (13 years 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3065 times:

It has been said in the past that a main reason jetBlue's future is so bright is because of their congressional backing; that no airline will try to undercut jetBlue, because no airline, major or small, wants to be subjected to a congressional investigation. jetBlue has a lot of support as far as DC is concerned.

Mike


User currently offlineJomama From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (13 years 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3058 times:

Bull markets are good. Bear markets are bad

User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6176 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (13 years 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3056 times:

Hopefully JetBlue will be succesfull , I can imagine them in the next 20 years . Thanks to Jetblue people can travel between NY and some cities in the country without having to pay 1,000 dollars just for a roundtrip ticket. JetBlue has the ingredients to be sucessful and luck seems to be at its side , so hopefully they will continue to be sucessfull .
Chepos
Puerto Rico



Fly the Flag!!!!
User currently offlineWatewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (13 years 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3052 times:

Any ideas as to where JetBlue could possibly target as next hub when they outgrow JFK? Those slots will run out sometime and they'll need to look elsewhere for growth. Suggestions?

User currently offlineGoingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (13 years 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3050 times:

They will be a power as long as they are able to keep their costs down. Currently, they are non-union. As they grow, there will most likely be a move to organize the employees. If this happens and they (employees) only look at bottom line "how much will I make per hour", then their costs could skyrocket -giving them little advantage of a much larger major, outside of a PTV in every seat, and even those, in time, will cost as they will most likely require repair.

User currently offlinePilot1113 From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2333 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (13 years 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3047 times:

There are numerous pieces of legislation on the table just waiting for the right moment to emerge.

Remember the "Passenger Bill of Rights?" The majors were scared to death of this and it ALMOST passed. If pressure is applied to JetBlue look for this, as well as others, to emerge from being tabled.

No airline wants a Congressional hearing into their pricing practices. No airline wants the CAB to return.

- Neil Harrison


User currently offlineMichigan4life From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 212 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (13 years 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3035 times:

Exactly Neil!!!!! No major will try anything stupid, they'd rather coexist with jetBlue than get nabbed in congress.

Mike


User currently offlineTWAneedsNOhelp From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (13 years 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3020 times:

Actually Neil, the Civil Aviation Board (CAB) was tremendous for the airlines. It was the CAB that limited their competition, ensured their monopolies, and upheld their high pricing. So, while re-regulation is not expected, you can bet their are friends and supporters of a CAB-like agency within the HQs of our major airlines.

Just ask Alfred Kahn!

rgds
russ


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6573 posts, RR: 32
Reply 22, posted (13 years 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3016 times:

I believe that JetBlue will indeed become a powerhouse at JFK; it wouldn't surprise me to see 200 daily departures there in 10 years or so. It depends on how saturated the market becomes with AA and DL committing substantial resources to JFK in the medium term. There is, however, a theoretical maximum size to the market; after all, they do want to fill the planes with passengers paying a sufficient fare to break even. Setting up a high-quality low-fare operation at JFK was certainly a brilliant idea, though - a great untapped market.

JetBlue and Southwest will be unlikely to compete directly in the next several years; right now, they only compete on some connecting routes from BUF to Florida, as well as indirect competition between ISP/JFK and Florida. Currently, Southwest's fares to Florida from ISP are slightly lower than B6's fares from JFK. As they both grow their low-fare systems, there will be greater potential for competition; however, I think Southwest is extremely unlikely to enter JetBlue's JFK market niche; JetBlue's main competition there would likely be Delta Express. By the same token, as Southwest manages to further build up its operations in the east and generally nationwide, JetBlue will find it difficult to add a second base of operations without directly competing against Southwest or a major's fortress hub.

JetBlue has a good product and image so far. I think they likely got an amazing deal on their A320's since I think Airbus wanted to prove that a low-fare carrier based on their narrowbody fleet would work; it remains to be seen how favorable JetBlue's terms will look like for long-term orders. Costs will also increase as their employees all advance along the wage scale - that's a long-term minus. JFK's operational problems for about 6 hours each day also raise costs just a bit.

The main thing I wonder about is - where do they go after fully exploiting the JFK market - just like you ask where AirTran goes post-Atlanta (PIT?) or Frontier post-DEN.


User currently offlineFlyer62 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (13 years 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2982 times:

jetblue is a excellent airline, by far better than most major airlines,they have great service,friendly flight attendants and pilots and vey clean brand new A320s and unbeatable airfares!

User currently offlineMr. 717 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (13 years 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 2985 times:

Why do they call them "Jet Blue"? The plane has a white body with a little bule on the rudder! Do the f/a's die there hair blue or something?  Big grin

25 Mr. 717 : I would never fly jet blue because of the Airbus fleet! Do they own anything but the A320 that crashes allot because of a big FBW problem?
26 Chepos : I would fly JetBlue any moment any time. Mr. 717 you really dislike Airbus Aircraft .Anyway going back to the topic . I would say that for the next 3-
27 Republic : Scott B: Exactly. In time, Frontier will present an excellent acquisition opportunity. Denver would fit well as a Western hub. Fleet commonality is a
28 TWAneedsNOhelp : Be funny if JetBlue ever acquired Frontier! Just like when PeoplExpress acquired Frontier... whats with these cool low cost upstart NY airlines and de
29 Ironchain15 : I am very deprived here in MCI. We do not get Jet Blue service here and I have never seen a Jet Blue plane. Maybe one of these days, though. They soun
30 EI A330-200 : What either JetBlue or Southwest needs to do is start service from LAX to EWR. That is a very popular route that is also kinda expenisve on other airl
31 Post contains images Pilot1113 : >>Actually Neil, the Civil Aviation Board (CAB) was >>tremendous for the airlines. Okay... I got shot down big time there! I'm man enough to go crawl
32 Jmacias34 : EI A330-200 The reason I don't see jetBlue operating out of LAX, is cost. I would assume the landing fees are much greater at LAX then they are at ONT
33 TheCroupier : Just as the Civil Aeronautics Board protected the monopolies of the majors, it also hindered their growth in many ways (A) by dragging out the process
34 Alpha 1 : I agree that majors should not undercut fares on new entrants-and I also agree that they should not be allowed to flood a market suddenly with incrrea
35 DCA-ROCguy : As we discussed on another thread, a major simply matching a low-fare carrier's fares is not predatory. That's competition at work--the low-fare carri
36 Lowfareair : There is a difference between fair and unfair competition strategies. If a major doubles capacity, frequently offers double or triple miles, and the E
37 Flyer62 : Jetblue Airways is and always will be profitable,no other carrier can match their service,aircraft and price.JetBlue will ride over Southwest, southwe
38 Goingboeing : Flyer62 - > What about the metropolis' of Amarillo, Harlingen, Lubbock, Midland/Odessa...?
39 Servisair : I hope Jet blue do continue to grow but just a word of warning. Remeber what happend to Laker when they started to eat into the transaltntic market? B
40 Lsjef : Jet Blue certainly has great potential, but it will take a few more years before anyone can reasonably project them as a future powerhouse. This is a
41 MaxPowers : Thank you all for responding, i wasn't expecting all these replies. And for everyone who posted, thanks for the no bs, bashing, or rudeness. Thanks To
42 Mr. 717 : A320 Stinks! do all Jet Blue F/a's have blue hair?
43 Boeing757/767 : A320s are dynamite. In the very least they are as good as 737NGs. I believe JetBlue's success rides on the fact that it selected new aircraft
44 A320FA : I would love for Jet Blue and America West to merge and retain the Jet Blue name with the service standards and inflight amenities and get rid of all
45 ContinentalFan : Mr. 717, What is your deal against A320s? You seem to add nothing of value to this discussion except to say that A320s suck. Please stop trolling and
46 Mr. 717 : A320's Have major problems with FBW! They Crash & Burn Allot!
47 MaxPowers : Damnit, thanks for ruining it Mr. 717, now please cut the crap. I know your joking too!
48 Mr. 717 : I'm Not! A320's Have major problems with FBW! They Crash & Burn Allot!
49 Mr. 717 : If JetBlue Does't come into Chicago soon they won't be any Powerhouse!
50 Post contains images Juul : Mr.717, If I didn't know any better I'd say you were trying to start a flame-war here Well, good luck! Greetings
51 Post contains images Dustine2004 : I believe that for Jetblue to strive like the other companies, they need to add more routes to their destinations. They probably will as the time goes
52 Pilot1113 : The main problem, I see, with the Airbuses is that Airbus seems to believe that human factors doesn't exist. From the numerous incident reports from A
53 Post contains images Juul : 'The main problem, I see, with the Airbuses is that Airbus seems to believe that human factors doesn't exist. From the numerous incident reports from
54 Lsjef : Pilot1113: You recently posted this in reference to your proposal for legislation: "If a low fare carrier enters the market and lowers fares, what's w
55 Pilot1113 : >>Sorry, your idea just won't fly... It's not my idea, it's already pending legislation in Congress. If you don't like it, write you senator and tell
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