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User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1751 times:

Just got back from a week of fishing in the Outer Banks of North Carolina, and for a.neters that are into a civilized, low-key beach scene, I highly recommend it.

Anyway, I flew in and out of ORF and drove down to the OBx in a rental and it got me to thinking... wasn't ORF a crew base and major station for the original Piedmont? From the pics I can find on google it looks like PI had the entire "B" pier to itself (current home of USEx and WN). Departedflights.com has PI's ORF psyudo-hub at like 65 to 70 departures a day in the 70s and early 80s.

I know they had crew bases in CLT, DCA & GSO but didn't they have bases in obscure places like ILM and ROA too? Any info would be appreciated. I did a search on here and nothing came up....so if this is a dupe I mea culpa in advance. Thanks.

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User currently offlineLGA777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1149 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 1706 times:

ORF was a crew base, decent sized but not huge station. There was also a Piedmont Aviation FBO accross the field that even included a Piedmont Employee Store.

To give you an idea of how times have changed I once flew on a Piedmont 727-200 on a LGA-ORF-JAX-MIA routing all the way from LGA-MIA in 1986.

Regards

LGA777


User currently offlineMSYPI7185 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 711 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1657 times:

Lets see how good my memory is. IIRC the crew bases we had just before merger with USAir were: CLT, BWI, DAY, DCA, SYR, ORF, ILM, GSO. I need to check in one of my books that may list them all. We may have also had a base in MIA for the Florida Shuttle pilots. MY memory ain't that good anymore since it has been almost 21 years since PI has been gone.  Sad

MD


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5234 posts, RR: 21
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1550 times:

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Thread starter):


Departedflights.com has PI's ORF psyudo-hub at like 65 to 70 departures a day in the 70s and early 80s.

I counted 29 weekday departures for PI in the Dec 15, 1978 timetable. Flights weren't banked for connections, and 5 of those flights went to RIC on their way to wherever, as well as 2 flights to PHF! A good sized station for PI, but not a hub. Don't know where you're getting the 60-70 number from.

Quoting ItalianFlyer (Thread starter):


I know they had crew bases in CLT, DCA & GSO but didn't they have bases in obscure places like ILM and ROA too?

ROA was PI's main hub before deregulation, and supported a good number of flights even after the connecting complex was moved to CLT.

[Edited 2009-04-14 14:25:02]

[Edited 2009-04-14 14:25:38]


The best IFE: A window seat and a good book.
User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 1467 times:



Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 3):
Don't know where you're getting the 60-70 number from.

Summer 1983 timetable...then i realized i double counted the NYC/EWR & DC/BWI departures (  Wow! ) so yea was more like 42 departures. Oops. Insomnia is a b*(%#.

Thanks for the info guys.


User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5604 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1461 times:



Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 3):
as well as 2 flights to PHF!

In regulated days, all named non-terminal points on a certificated route had to be served at least twice daily in each direction. In the dying days of regulation, there were occasional exceptions for points that could be served in one direction only.



I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
User currently offlineIAHFLYR From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 4790 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 1435 times:

Oh man, the days of Piedmont! That was a wonderful airline and my favorite....I've got a schedule at home from the mid 80's, will have to reflect on that some this evening. Loved that Piedmont Punch, the Pacemaker 737 and 727 flights from IAH to CLT that we used to enjoy as well as the outstanding service.


Any views shared are strictly my own and do not a represent those of any former employer.
User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5234 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1404 times:



Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 5):


In regulated days, all named non-terminal points on a certificated route had to be served at least twice daily in each direction. In the dying days of regulation, there were occasional exceptions for points that could be served in one direction only.

Yes, Ozark had several of those including ORD-Bloomington-Mattoon-Mount Vernon-STL. PHF and ORF had a special restriction in place: Any airline serving ORF had to serve PHF as well, United, National, Piedmont and Allegheny served both airports during regulated days. Combining the two on a route was acceptable.



The best IFE: A window seat and a good book.
User currently offlineGsoflyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 1093 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 1347 times:



Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 3):
ROA was PI's main hub before deregulation, and supported a good number of flights even after the connecting complex was moved to CLT.

I thought INT was their main hub with a sizeable secondary operation at ROA>


User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1288 times:

It seems that they did allot out of ATL as well. Not so much a connection complex but O&D. It was a crew base at one point too wasn't it?

User currently onlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1301 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1249 times:

I transited ROA a number of times in the early 80's. Usually a 72S on CLT-ROA-PIT. My favorite run was a 73S DAB-JAX-CLT connect in CLT to CLT-ROA-PIT. I recall that ROA had a very small terminal but there were always 4 or 5 PI flights on the ground. Mostly F28's and 73S but some 72S as well. Great approaches through the mountains to that short runway. I never got the full effect of the approaches however as I always transited ROA in the dark.

User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5234 posts, RR: 21
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1115 times:



Quoting Gsoflyer (Reply 8):


I thought INT was their main hub with a sizeable secondary operation at ROA>

PI's corporate offices were at INT, flight ops were not that heavy.



The best IFE: A window seat and a good book.
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