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User currently offlineFreddyb430 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 7 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5736 times:

I just booked a trip to Hawaii in May and will be traveling on a 757 both ways. How many planes in the Hawaii fleet have been reconfigured with newer style F Class seats? I'd actually love it if the planes were to have the old style leather seats...what are the odds of that happening?

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User currently offlineDLHFLYER From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5663 times:



Quoting Freddyb430 (Thread starter):
I just booked a trip to Hawaii in May and will be traveling on a 757 both ways. How many planes in the Hawaii fleet have been reconfigured with newer style F Class seats? I'd actually love it if the planes were to have the old style leather seats...what are the odds of that happening?

Most likely not. Most of these are reserved for high key business routes like thinner eastern coast routes to Europe. By the way, what route are you flying, LAX-KOA?



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User currently offlineSoxfan From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 863 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5648 times:



Quoting Freddyb430 (Thread starter):
I'd actually love it if the planes were to have the old style leather seats



Quoting DLHFLYER (Reply 1):
Most likely not.

I think what the OP is asking is whether he's going to get the "old-style" brown F seats currently on the vast majority of the 757s. If this is the case (and please correct me if I'm wrong), I would say the odds are very good that the plane _will_ be with the brown leather seats. I've found them comfortable myself, not the best, but pretty comfortable. Have a good trip!  Smile



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User currently offlineQQflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2264 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5631 times:



Quoting Freddyb430 (Thread starter):
How many planes in the Hawaii fleet have been reconfigured with newer style F Class seats?

None.

Quoting Freddyb430 (Thread starter):
what are the odds of that happening?

100%.

First, there is no Hawaii fleet. AA has two 757 fleets, one for TATL flying which totals just one a/c at the moment, and then the rest. The domestic a/c cabin improvement project has been delayed and a new schedule is currently being worked out. So, for the foreseeable future, all the domestic 757s will have the brown leather seats.



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User currently offlineFreddyb430 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5440 times:



Quoting DLHFLYER (Reply 1):

Outbound I am flying LAX-KOA on the return I am traveling HNL-LAX on a 757 as there were no 767's on that route that day.


User currently offlineN505fx From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5398 times:

Seriously? The old 707 style brown leather seats have to be the most uncomfortable seats out there right now. At about hour 2, you get this cramp/pain right across the middle of your back because the seating position is so bad and you keep sliding out of your seat - trust me - having earned PE status solely between LAX and DFW in 8 months, I know those seats all too well.

User currently offlineFreddyb430 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5377 times:



Quoting N505fx (Reply 5):

It's been soooo long since I've flown with the old style F seats! I'll get back to yo on the 2 hour back pain but I remember them feeling so much larger than new style seats...I might be wrong. It's sort of like a blast from the past. the last time I can remember flying in the leather seats was on a DC-10 on HA about 6 or 7 years ago. Perhaps it was on UA about 9 years ago...can't be certain! Though this does show how behind AA is.


User currently offlineTonytifao From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 1014 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5196 times:

I fly those pretty often. They are horrible, no head rests.

I wish they upgrade to all new F seats on all 752s


User currently offline28L28L From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 459 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4949 times:

I know this had been discussed here before, but the only AA 757s you'll ever see in Hawaii are the ERs. They are 608AA, 609AA, 183AN-194AA, 687AA-692AA. Whether they're refered to as a 'sub fleet' or not, they are in fact the only ERs in the whole 757 fleet.
185AN (one of the ERs) is the one 757 in the new configuration.
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User currently offlineElmothehobo From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1536 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4934 times:



Quoting Freddyb430 (Reply 4):
Outbound I am flying LAX-KOA on the return I am traveling HNL-LAX on a 757 as there were no 767's on that route that day.

All West Coast to Hawaii flights on American are run with 757s now. The 767s only fly from Dallas.


User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1537 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4910 times:



Quoting 28L28L (Reply 8):
I know this had been discussed here before, but the only AA 757s you'll ever see in Hawaii are the ERs. They are 608AA, 609AA, 183AN-194AA, 687AA-692AA. Whether they're refered to as a 'sub fleet' or not, they are in fact the only ERs in the whole 757 fleet.
185AN (one of the ERs) is the one 757 in the new configuration.

If there are 20 ETOPS ( I assume thats what you mean not ER, there is no 757ER) why are they only converting 18 to Intl. configuration? Retirement?



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User currently offlineTonytifao From Brazil, joined Mar 2005, 1014 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4786 times:

Are the other 757s at least getting some better seats than the current ones? Like the ones in the MD80s and 738s?

User currently offlineQQflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2264 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4522 times:

AA has a fleet of 124 757s, of which they are about to make a sub-fleet of 18 for TATL flying. Some of the birds designated for conversion to the TATL conifg are not currently ETOPS certified, but will become ETOPS certified.

There are two refurbishment plans underway:

1) 18 TATL a/c to feature 16 NGBC J-Class seats, similar to what you'll find on the 763 and 777 in business class. New lavs, coach seats, digital IFE with over aisle LCDs and sidewalls. AVOD will be available in J-class only. New configuration is 16J/166Y. One of 18 a/c complete. The first TATL a/c has been flying on a test basis between DFW and Florida the past couple of months, and will be deployed on JFK-BRU May 7. The 18 TATL designated a/c will not fly to Hawaii, rather, they'll fly from the northeast to Europe and from MIA to SSA/REC.

2) 106 "domestic" 757s will get new first and coach seats, plus the addition of two first class seats to bring the configuration to 24F/166Y. These a/c will get new lavs, digital IFE and over aisle LCD monitors. Zero of 106 a/c complete. The company is currently re-evaluating the mod schedule for this project (it was supposed to have begun last October). These are the a/c that will fly to Hawaii, as well as the continental U.S., Alaska, Mexico, the Caribbean, Central and South America (with the exception of premium markets like MIA-REC/SSA).

To keep everyone up to speed, the following routes will switch from 763 to 75L (757 TATL):

JFK-BRU - May 7
MIA-SSA/REC - June 11
JFK-CDG - July 8 (flts. 120/121 only)
BOS-CDG - July 13
JFK-BCN - August 25

The above dates are subject to change (as they already have several times over the past couple of months).



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User currently offlineAQ737 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4369 times:

Will AA be rotating a 757 between JFK and DFW once daily between flights to/from Europe over the summer? Right now, my flight JFK-DFW is showing only 4 in the F cabin. I'm in row 2. Is this just a precaution or are they scheduling the international bird on this route?

User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1537 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4337 times:



Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 12):
2) 106 "domestic" 757s will get new first and coach seats, plus the addition of two first class seats to bring the configuration to 24F/166Y. These a/c will get new lavs, digital IFE and over aisle LCD monitors. Zero of 106 a/c complete. The company is currently re-evaluating the mod schedule for this project (it was supposed to have begun last October). These are the a/c that will fly to Hawaii, as well as the continental U.S., Alaska, Mexico, the Caribbean, Central and South America (with the exception of premium markets like MIA-REC/SSA).

Does AA really plan on having all of these 757s for much longer? It would seem like some must be getting old. Also 190 seats sounds rough. Are they the same seats as the new 738s?



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User currently offlineStillageek From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4224 times:

The 757 flying JFK-DFW Flight 831 this Friday is showing 16F/166Y. I plan on getting a ride home on this flight. It will be nice to see a new AA interior.

User currently offlineMoman From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4104 times:



Quoting FL787 (Reply 14):
Does AA really plan on having all of these 757s for much longer? It would seem like some must be getting old. Also 190 seats sounds rough. Are they the same seats as the new 738s?

For at least another 10 years. it does seem silly that the cabin refurb has taken so long, it needed to be done in 2003-2004.



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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8397 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4078 times:



Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 12):
These are the a/c that will fly to Hawaii, as well as the continental U.S., Alaska, Mexico, the Caribbean, Central and South America (with the exception of premium markets like MIA-REC/SSA).

Oh really? How can all 106 aircraft fly to Hawaii, unless they all have ETOPS certification?

 scratchchin 

Interesting update though, thanks.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8275 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3934 times:
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Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 12):
JFK-BRU - May 7
MIA-SSA/REC - June 11
JFK-CDG - July 8 (flts. 120/121 only)
BOS-CDG - July 13
JFK-BCN - August 25

I am surprised it took AA so long to get 757 from JFK to Europe. Now my concern is too many 757's to Europe.


User currently offlineQQflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2264 posts, RR: 13
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3865 times:



Quoting Flighty (Reply 17):
Oh really? How can all 106 aircraft fly to Hawaii, unless they all have ETOPS certification?

The point is the 18 TATL a/c (75L) will not be flying to Hawaii. Other "domestic" 757s w/ ETOPs certification will.



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User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3819 times:



Quoting N505fx (Reply 5):
Seriously? The old 707 style brown leather seats have to be the most uncomfortable seats out there right now. At about hour 2, you get this cramp/pain right across the middle of your back because the seating position is so bad and you keep sliding out of your seat - trust me - having earned PE status solely between LAX and DFW in 8 months, I know those seats all too well.



The new First Class seats that will be installed on the domestic 757 are a big improvement. Since they are not as bulky they save weight and make the first class section feel roomier.


User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 731 posts, RR: 15
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3758 times:



Quoting Moman (Reply 16):
For at least another 10 years. it does seem silly that the cabin refurb has taken so long, it needed to be done in 2003-2004.

I agree it is badly needed.
If AA were to install seat back video the 757 would be the perfect narrow-body fleet to start with. It needs a referb and it is usually used on the longer routes, but again it all comes down to money which there is not much of these days.

AJMIA



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User currently offlineTowcrazy From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 3421 times:



Quoting Freddyb430 (Reply 4):

Outbound I am flying LAX-KOA on the return I am traveling HNL-LAX on a 757 as there were no 767's on that route that day.

When are you flying in?

I work AA in KOA



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User currently offlineFreddyb430 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3092 times:



Quoting Towcrazy (Reply 22):

Thanks so much.

I'm flying on 5/10.


User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3014 times:

AA first class seats are seriously dated but are still rather comfortable. Bottom line, they need to be replaced to keep up with UA and CO who have very superior domestic 757 F seats.

I never understood how come they were covered in pen marks. Did pax purposely try to draw on them??



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