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Aeroflot's SVO-LAX Flt. 13 Hrs In A 767-3 WOW  
User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 17080 times:

The flight from Moscow to L.A shows 13 hrs/10 mns, this flight going eastward shows 12 hrs/35 mns.

I didn't know the 767-300 had that kind of range, this HAS TO BE the longest 767 flight in the world, correct???

[Edited 2009-04-14 04:38:24]

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User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 17059 times:

That's a long flight, but actually, DL's new LAX-GRU nonstop on the 763ER is approx. 100 miles longer. You have to love the versatility of the 767.

User currently offlineAirxliban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4512 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 17009 times:

I was under the impression that this route was upgraded to the A330-200, or would be upgraded soon. But checking in the schedules it appears as though SVO-LAX is still going out as 767-300.

Does anyone have any news as to when the 332 will replace the venerable 763 on this route?



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User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2191 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 16995 times:
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Are we talking major weight restrictions?

I seem to recall that SAS had big weight restrictions on their longest 763ER routes, and they only had 190-209 seats.



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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 16932 times:



Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 1):
That's a long flight, but actually, DL's new LAX-GRU nonstop on the 763ER is approx. 100 miles longer. You have to love the versatility of the 767

According to passrider.com, the LAX-SVO is a tad longer than the LAX-GRU flight, and it's longer by a few minutes, not that much difference.

Anybody if this is the longest 767 flight in the world????


User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4435 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 16817 times:

Here is my two cents:
LAX-SVO is about 1000 miles longer than DL's IST-JFK.
DL flying west have stopped for refueling in the past for this flight in FCO, CDG. So you do the math. I know IST is a lot warmer in the summer but SVO flights might be taking a lot of weight restrictions.


User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6570 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 16801 times:



Quoting Juventus (Reply 4):
According to passrider.com, the LAX-SVO is a tad longer than the LAX-GRU flight, and it's longer by a few minutes, not that much difference.

Maybe in flight time...not in total distance...but it's close.

LAXGRU
LAX.... 0505/14APR GMT -07.0 GRU.... 0905/14APR GMT -03.0
+04.0 HOURS DIFFERENCE DISTANCE 6150 M 9898 K

LAXSVO
LAX.... 0505/14APR GMT -07.0 SVO.... 1605/14APR GMT +04.0
+11.0 HOURS DIFFERENCE DISTANCE 6051 M 9738 K


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 16602 times:



Quoting TK787 (Reply 5):
DL flying west have stopped for refueling in the past for this flight in FCO, CDG.

DL has not had to make fuelstop unless there have been mechanical or fuel availability issues. The 767 flies ATH-ATL which is longer than ISTJFK without problems. DL also flies ATH-ATL at faster than ideal cruise speeds in order to get it in under 12 hrs and the flight regularly leaves ATH with a full passenger and baggage load and is not at max takeoff weight.

Remember that DL and AA 763s are getting winglets right now which will further increase performance; on a flight like SVO-LAX, it should reduce fuel burn by 5-6K pounds of fuel.

The 767 is a very versatile aircraft and has a whole lot more performance than alot of people here know or acknowledge.


User currently offlineJFK69 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 16566 times:

How long is LY's LAX-TLV flight?

User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 16550 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 7):
The 767 is a very versatile aircraft and has a whole lot more performance than alot of people here know or acknowledge.

correct, probably why I started this thread, I didn't think the 767 could stay airborne for more than 13 hours and land with reserves....


User currently offlineSeemyseems From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 16509 times:

If LAX to GRU is far, what about LAN's SCL to JFK services?


seemyseems
User currently offlineLongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4987 posts, RR: 42
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 16439 times:

Air Canada occasionally uses a B767-300 for YYZ-NRT services, 6415 miles, (roughly 300 miles longer than LAX-SVO). In fact one of the round trips this week YYZ-NRT-YYZ, AC001/AC002 is being flown by a B767-300.

It requires a dedicated aircraft to do this flight, but only for crew rest facilities ... the fuel capacity and MTOW are all standard for the fleet.



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User currently offlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4435 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 16349 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 7):

Thanks for the info, I stand corrected.


User currently offlineDiscoverCSG From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 832 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 16255 times:



Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 7):
Remember that DL and AA 763s are getting winglets right now which will further increase performance; on a flight like SVO-LAX, it should reduce fuel burn by 5-6K pounds of fuel.

SVO-LAX is flown by SU, not DL or AA.


User currently offlineDAL763ER From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 534 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 16017 times:
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Quoting Seemyseems (Reply 10):
If LAX to GRU is far, what about LAN's SCL to JFK services?

JFK-SCL is 4536nm
LAX-GRU is 6025nm

Why would you say JFK-SCL is longer?

Quoting JFK69 (Reply 8):
How long is LY's LAX-TLV flight?

LAX-TLV is 7009nm.

I used http://rfinder.asalink.net/free/ to find the exact distances.



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User currently offlineSeemyseems From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 16014 times:



Quoting DAL763ER (Reply 14):
Why would you say JFK-SCL is longer?

Oh?!

When I looked a map, it seemed as if the route would be further. It seems odd.



seemyseems
User currently offlineWeb From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 15933 times:



Quoting JFK69 (Reply 8):
How long is LY's LAX-TLV flight?

This flight is flown by a 777-200ER.

If you look on Boeing's website ( http://www.boeing.com/commercial/767family/pf/pf_rc_newyork.html ) you can see the range profiles for the 767s. The -200ER has the range to do JFK-NRT (5861nm) and the -300ER isn't too far behind.



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User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9642 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 15909 times:



Quoting Juventus (Reply 4):
According to passrider.com, the LAX-SVO is a tad longer than the LAX-GRU flight, and it's longer by a few minutes, not that much difference.

That's odd to me since LAX-SVO is a polar route and thus winds won't affect it as much as LAX-GRU, which is 69 nm longer.



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User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2179 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 15854 times:



Quoting Airxliban (Reply 2):
was under the impression that this route was upgraded to the A330-200, or would be upgraded soon. But checking in the schedules it appears as though SVO-LAX is still going out as 767-300.

Does anyone have any news as to when the 332 will replace the venerable 763 on this route?

The distance is similar to that of CDG-NRT, the world's longest A332 flight (although I'm not sure AF uses the A332 on this route at the moment but they had at one point), so the A332 could in theory make it also. I think the A330-200 also surprises many about its range, me the first!

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 7):
The 767 is a very versatile aircraft and has a whole lot more performance than alot of people here know or acknowledge.

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User currently offlineJFK69 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 15578 times:



Quoting Web (Reply 16):
Quoting JFK69 (Reply 8):
How long is LY's LAX-TLV flight?

This flight is flown by a 777-200ER.

Up until last year it was flown with the 767.


User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3008 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 15519 times:

Let me tell you... LAX-SVO is one HELL of a flight, time-wise. I have flown the route quite the many times, and it never ceases to amaze me how an airliner can fly for so long. Don't get me wrong there are plenty of longer flights out there nowadays, but for me this was the longest I've ever taken. The service on SU's flights are great, so I've never had a problem, always enjoyed those trips to the max.

Aeroflot777


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4682 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 15485 times:



Quoting DAL763ER (Reply 14):
JFK-SCL is 4536nm
LAX-GRU is 6025nm

Where are these figures from? I get different numbers:

http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gc?PATH=j...E=best&RANGE-COLOR=navy&MAP-STYLE=

Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 18):
The distance is similar to that of CDG-NRT, the world's longest A332 flight

Make that AKL-LAX, flown by QF. IIRC it's something like 14 hours.



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User currently offlineFlyer732 From Namibia, joined Nov 1999, 1367 posts, RR: 21
Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 15414 times:

Don't forget DL's ATL-LOS-ATL flight. Its almost 6100 miles, and the westbound takes roughly 13 hours, I've done that one a few times...

User currently offlineWakeTurbulence From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1294 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 15261 times:



Quoting JFK69 (Reply 19):
Up until last year it was flown with the 767.

Yes, but they stopped. It used to be LAX-YYZ-TLV when they used a 767. LAX-TLV on the 777-200ER is 7574 miles, way too far for a 767 non-stop.
-Matt



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User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 15178 times:



Quoting Aeroflot777 (Reply 20):
Let me tell you... LAX-SVO is one HELL of a flight, time-wise. I have flown the route quite the many times, and it never ceases to amaze me how an airliner can fly for so long. Don't get me wrong there are plenty of longer flights out there nowadays, but for me this was the longest I've ever taken. The service on SU's flights are great, so I've never had a problem, always enjoyed those trips to the max.

Aeroflot777

Can you tell us a little about the SVO-LAX flight......

is that 767 weight restricted?

How much reserve-fuel do you land with at LAX after that 13 hr flight??


25 RJ111 : The longest ever scheduled non-stop 767 route was LY's TLV-MIA at a still air 5738nm, with the 762ER. And that only discontinued recently. The longest
26 MIgAiR54 : SVO-HAV It is a pretty long one. Sometimes they stop in SNN to refuel because the headwinds.
27 BAKJet : The QF website says its 12 hr 45 min.
28 Post contains links Nickofatlanta : Probably worth noting that SCL is almost directly due south of JFK. However, GRU is southeast of LAX - so substantially more travel time. See: http:/
29 Soxfan : Same for DL on their ultra-long 763 flights such as JFK-TLV and AMM, where the first-row center BusinessElite seats have been removed for built-in pi
30 A342 : Well, LAX-AKL should be about 14 hours then. My bad.
31 Lobster : The longest scheduled nonstop flights (in terms of distance) on 767 aircraft are: 1. AM MTY-FCO 762 5295nm 2. SU SVO-LAX 763 5281nm 3. SU SVO-HAV 763
32 DAL763ER : I did state where I got my numbers from. I put in the origin and destination airport and the numbers were given from the more or less actual flight p
33 Juventus : Just look at Aeromexico's Rome-MTY flight going west-bound, it's 13 hrs, 20 mns long.....and we have a new winner for the longest 767 flight
34 KochamLOT : just imagine the max flight if that aircraft had those new wingtips.
35 Adam42185 : Ive flown this leg three times I think, never more than 13 hours. either way, its a LONG flight, and I have never done it on a 767.
36 Thenoflyzone : 8. LY TLV-YYZ 762 5030nm
37 Timz : They did MXP-SFO-- anybody else remember FCO-SFO? How about MXP-LAX or FCO-LAX?
38 FlyLKU : The great circle mapper shows these as 4429nm and 5350nm
39 Antskip : I agree with you about such long flights! I find MEL-DXB/DXB-MEL nonstop (13 1/2-to 14 1/2hrs) absolute torture after the first 10 hrs or so. Which i
40 Aeroflot777 : I'm not familiar with the technicalities of the airliners, I was only judging from a human standpoint. That is very true. For me the wall is like at
41 LongHauler : 1. AC YYZ-NRT 763 5574 nm
42 PlymSpotter : LAN Chile flew SCL-MAD with the 767-200ER, that's 5777nm, I seem to remember it went via GRU at one point with the 763 but has also been a direct ser
43 PlanenutzTB : As a passenger I'm not sure how to tell if there are weight restrictions. I've flown on this SVO-LAX flight several times in the summer. The flight w
44 TJCAB : also remember Lauda Air VIE-BKK-SYD and Melbourne?
45 Phllax : LY's LAX-TLV has been a 777 since at least March 2007. Westbound takes usually 15 hours, all night-time except for the last hour or so. The time I did
46 RJ111 : TOGA thrust is only available for a limited amount of time (5 minutes). The 767 has a rather slow cruise speed of M080. M086 is their max cruise spee
47 Viscount724 : I wouldn't count the AC YYZ-NRT route since the 763 is only an occasional (very occasional if not mistaken) substitution. The published AC schedule s
48 Aviateur : DL's 763s aren't challenged by distance, per se, so much as by load and temperature. I know, it depends how you look at it, but the longest flights ar
49 LongHauler : It is about to start twice a week. With the B777 picking up the rest.
50 Transpac787 : I think we're all forgetting TLV-MIA on LY 767-200ER, right?? TLV-MIA: 6603mi YYZ-NRT: 6415mi LAX-GRU: 6156mi LAX-SVO: 6078mi
51 DocLightning : Anyway, I'd rather 13 hours in a 763 than a 744 unless I had easy aisle access in the 744. The 744 is only nice when you're in an exit row.
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