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London To Vancouver - Why Are The Prices So High?  
User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3033 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9440 times:

I have been looking at prices for Vancouver flying in late May or early June and prices are coming out at inexcess of £550 per person for a return trip!

I am now considering flying London to Seattle as I am getting prices of £340 with US Airways, United and Continental! Then taking the two hour coach journey up to Vancouver...

Is there any reason why the London to Vancouver market is such a rip off compared flying to Seattle...

Is it simply a question of demand, and if airlines can get away with prices of in-excess of £550 then they will?!

My only other option is Thomas Cook Airlines through Canadian Affair, on their A330's... Which is around £400, the idea of sat in a narrow tiny seat of a 3-3-3 config on a 10hr flight does not really set me on fire!

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User currently offlineJpyvr From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks ago) and read 9334 times:

I can't answer your question except to say that it is very likely a question of either/both of supply and demand or of different costs to the airlines involved. However, before you make up your mind, you should be aware that it is not a "two hour coach journey" up to Vancouver. In actual fact, the coach from Sea-Tac to Vancouver is scheduled at 4.5 hours, which takes into consideration the time for crossing the USA-Canada border. Schedules are available at: http://www.quickcoach.com/schedule.htm . So it is cheaper to go to Seattle, without question, but it makes a much longer journey.

User currently offlineRafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks ago) and read 9324 times:



Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
My only other option is Thomas Cook Airlines through Canadian Affair, on their A330's... Which is around £400, the idea of sat in a narrow tiny seat of a 3-3-3 config on a 10hr flight does not really set me on fire!

And you still think this is worse than a flight and a bus? How long would you be on the road after all? Not to mention the cost of the bus


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7548 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks ago) and read 9311 times:



Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
I have been looking at prices for Vancouver flying in late May or early June and prices are coming out at inexcess of £550 per person for a return trip!



Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
I am now considering flying London to Seattle as I am getting prices of £340 with US Airways, United and Continental! Then taking the two hour coach journey up to Vancouver...

1. 550 is still dirt cheap

2. Taxes into Canada are much higher, for instance people often save $200 or so flying into GFK instead of YWG... etc.



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User currently offlineCARST From Germany, joined Jul 2006, 820 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks ago) and read 9282 times:

I found LGW-YVG-LGW for 418 Euro on Air Transat ... about 382 GBP.


And i think that is very cheap...

[Edited 2009-04-14 15:36:03]

User currently offlineFlyAustralian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks ago) and read 9243 times:

to start with there's no more Zoom & you're leaving your booking til very late if you want a cheap flight (next month !!!)

Many people in the past booked 11 months out to get cheap fare.

It's a busy time & you've obviously missed the boat for cheap fares with less competition.

Canadian NAVCAN charges amount to about $40 on a return trip I believe.


User currently offlinePlanesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4124 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 9209 times:



Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):

My only other option is Thomas Cook Airlines through Canadian Affair, on their A330's... Which is around £400, the idea of sat in a narrow tiny seat of a 3-3-3 config on a 10hr flight does not really set me on fire!

Their seats aren't much narrower than any of your alternatives, and TCX will give you more legroom than BA and AC. I'm 6'5 with a fairly large build and found their long haul product perfectly comfortable.


User currently offlineYVRLTN From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 2477 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9051 times:



Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
My only other option is Thomas Cook Airlines through Canadian Affair, on their A330's

Do it - the A330's are nothing like the TS A310's.

Quoting Jpyvr (Reply 1):
However, before you make up your mind, you should be aware that it is not a "two hour coach journey" up to Vancouver. In actual fact, the coach from Sea-Tac to Vancouver is scheduled at 4.5 hours, which takes into consideration the time for crossing the USA-Canada border

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User currently offlineLufthansa747 From Philippines, joined May 1999, 3201 posts, RR: 43
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 9007 times:

550 GBP is dirt cheap for high season. Stop whining and book it.


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User currently offlineAuroraLives From Canada, joined Nov 2007, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8947 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 3):
2. Taxes into Canada are much higher, for instance people often save $200 or so flying into GFK instead of YWG... etc.

These kind of comments just kill me. Flying is definitely cheaper in the US... but it has nothing to do with taxes.

I just ran LHR - YVR on AC and LHR - SEA on USAir.... June 2 - June 16.

All results converted to US$ for convenience..

LHR - YVR on AC - US$747 (includes US$26 Canada taxes, US$85 UK taxes)
LHR - SEA on US - US$704 (includes US$69 US taxes, US$85 UK taxes)

The plethora of US "fees" is far higher than any Canadian taxes.... and as a bonus... LHR - YVR is non-stop... US requires an extra 6 hours in PHL to switch planes.

Not sure where the OP did his research.....


User currently offlineSpartanmjf From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 503 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8927 times:

I was able to calculate a fare from LHR to YVR on AC for US$771 with all taxes and fees - nonstop leaving London and one stop (<1 hour) through Montreal on the return.


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User currently offlineKE7JFF From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8880 times:

The QuickShuttle isn't that bad and customs goes quick at the Blaine/White Rock crossing.

However, I do see that Air India oddly has a LHR-YVR coming at $645 USD which is 433 GBP. Thats a direct flight.


User currently offlineZBBYLW From Canada, joined Nov 2006, 1986 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8858 times:

With all due respect those are all dirt cheap prices and the airlines hardly cover their costs with those. It is sick how the prices are rock bottom yet people still want more more more!


Keep the shinny side up!
User currently offlineKE7JFF From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8840 times:



Quoting ZBBYLW (Reply 12):

Well Zoom Started it!


User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4252 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8801 times:



Quoting KE7JFF (Reply 13):
Well Zoom Started it!

And where are they now?



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User currently offlineKE7JFF From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8778 times:



Quoting Brilondon (Reply 14):
Quoting KE7JFF (Reply 13):
Well Zoom Started it!

And where are they now?

Yes, I know they are in the grave with PeoplExpress  Smile

But the point is, they gave the public a taste of fares that unobtainable and now the public expects that.


User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2244 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8708 times:

May is a busy time in Vancouver. Once the Alaska cruise season starts the fares go up. Now bookings are down this year but still many will be flying in for it. There also could be some good sized conventions at the same time.

User currently offlineHotelmode From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 460 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8427 times:



Quoting KE7JFF (Reply 11):
However, I do see that Air India oddly has a LHR-YVR coming at $645 USD which is 433 GBP

You sure? Air India dont fly to Vancouver at all, let alone from London. Its not a codeshare destination either.


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5848 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8406 times:

NOW HOLD ON, everybody! The OP didn't say "Airfares should be free, and I want my pillow fluffed while they're at it," as some of you are implying.

He simply asked why the tickets he found to Vancouver were so much more than those he found for Seattle. Which is a valid question!!
Now some of you seem to have found comparable tickets.... great.


Were it me, I'd stick with CO, for sure. Their 777 AVOD is great, and all birds (all flying, anyway) now have it.

Does the bus actually take 4.5 hours? That seems like quite a long trip for sister cities...


User currently offlineAirchabum From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 769 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8155 times:



Quoting Planesarecool (Reply 6):
Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):

My only other option is Thomas Cook Airlines through Canadian Affair, on their A330's... Which is around £400, the idea of sat in a narrow tiny seat of a 3-3-3 config on a 10hr flight does not really set me on fire!

Their seats aren't much narrower than any of your alternatives, and TCX will give you more legroom than BA and AC. I'm 6'5 with a fairly large build and found their long haul product perfectly comfortable.

I agree. I flew TCX to YVR last summer - legroom was ample and service was great. Return flight was with TS who weren't so good but still ok for the money.

Cheers



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User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8102 times:



Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
prices for Vancouver flying in late May or early June and prices are coming out at inexcess of £550 per person for a return trip!

You think that is expensive? I just had to pay GBP 385 to travel U2 (apparently a low cost carrier - low cost, my arse!) from LGW to LPA in May, and that is a distance of 1,791 miles compared with 4,716 miles to YVR. Furthermore, on your flights you will get free in-flight entertainment, in-flight meals and pre-landing snacks, complimentary drinks, and reserved seat allocation. On my flight I will not even get a free cup of coffee and the IFE will be a pack of cards. There will also be a mad scramble to get on board my flight - priority boarding (available as an optional extra) is sold out for both flights.

But back to your question. It is probably because LHR - YVR is only served direct by two airlines, and the supply equals demand. If it was a case of supply exceeding demand, perhaps with four different carriers operating on the same route, then airlines would discount fares (often below cost) simply to get bums on their seats.



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User currently offlineLondonCity From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 1496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8060 times:



Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Is there any reason why the London to Vancouver market is such a rip off compared flying to Seattle...

Flights between the UK and Canada have always been more expensive than between the UK and the US. It's because there's more competition when flying to the US as you can choose from both direct and indirect US carriers. That is why the charter carriers can make a living on UK-Canada routes whereas with UK-US there's no money to be made.

Quoting Lufthansa747 (Reply 8):
550 GBP is dirt cheap for high season. Stop whining and book it.

It's not high season for the UK market. Our peak travel months to the US are July/August.

Quoting BCAL (Reply 20):
But back to your question. It is probably because LHR - YVR is only served direct by two airlines, and the supply equals demand. If it was a case of supply exceeding demand, perhaps with four different carriers operating on the same route, then airlines would discount fares (often below cost) simply to get bums on their seats.

BCAL seems correct.


User currently offlineFlyAustralian From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 8014 times:



Quoting Brilondon (Reply 14):
Quoting KE7JFF (Reply 13):
Well Zoom Started it!

And where are they now?

There'll be another Zoom clone soon.

Zoom got slaughtered by high fuel prices without much high yield.


User currently offlineCallBell From Germany, joined Mar 2008, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7986 times:



Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Is it simply a question of demand, and if airlines can get away with prices of in-excess of £550 then they will?!

Thats it in a nutshell really. If an airline can get people willing to pay the fare they will have no incentive to offer a lower price. Some people will happily pay to fly direct, avoid the possibility of missed connections, bus journeys etc etc.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19233 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7980 times:



Quoting BCAL (Reply 20):
I just had to pay GBP 385 to travel U2

I was planning a trip to HKG in Sept and I was delighted that I could fly EK LGW-DXB-BKK-HKG-BKK-LHR for £399.70 (the more flights the better). But, I wouldn't wish to pay £550 for LON-YVR-LON unless absolutely no alternative or if the alternatives are more or whatever.



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25 Braynfeeble : LHR-YVR is a busy route year round with a lot of business traffic. If you were to look at the round trip fare you will see the lovely government taxes
26 AuroraLives : On a $900 ticket, I get $32 Can govt 'fees' (AIF, ATSC), $0.75 sales tax, $110 UK 'fees'. Not sure how you're racking up $490... unless you're counti
27 Pnwtraveler : Amtrak from Seattle to Vancouver is by no means speedy but much more comfortable than the bus and less prone to border delays. You do have to transfer
28 Viscount724 : Why do you consider that a "rip-off"? Airlines only charge what customers are willing to pay. UK-YVR demand has always been stronger than UK-SEA. Tho
29 Tdscanuck : Pure drive time is 3 hours by car, with clear roads. Pile on top of that traffic (nearly inevitable while leaving Seattle), the border crossing, and
30 Gilesdavies : Thanks for all the responses... Seems like I am resigned to paying the higher prices for flying to Vancouver! This is a very valid point, I was last i
31 Planesarecool : That's fairly normal, they have to offer a competitive fare to attract customers onto the inferior indirect flight. I recently booked a flight to Dub
32 Bmacleod : All has to do with market/demand for that route. Airlines tend to chrage higher for a route with less demand. With AC's current financial situation, i
33 YVR1968 : Do you have a source for that quote? Would be interesting to read. Did he specifically mention LHR-YVR as a potential cut?
34 Multimark : That's highly unlikely. You'd see YEG or even YYC lose their LHR flights first.
35 Pnwtraveler : YVR to LHR isn't going anywhere. I agree YEG would go first. There are lots of places to cut and direct flights with good loads and ok cargo aren't go
36 YVR1968 : And considering AC just shifted the 2 additional weekly flights from YYC to YEG and now to YVR. Looks like the YVR market is better positioned than Y
37 LongHauler : M. Rovinescue announced internally that airlines rarely "shrink" to profitablilty. His plans for AC are to expand. No routes are being cut, and sever
38 Offloaded : Longhauler is right. You just missed a BA seat sale unfortunately. Of course the taxes: £40.00 GB £21.00 UB £10.55 CA £8.30 SQ £0.41 XG £165.00
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