Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Irish 10/09: Green Is Our Sky  
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12410 posts, RR: 37
Posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11613 times:

Good morning folks and welcome to our new thread.

Some of the older posters among us will remember the title of Capt AA Quigley's book, a good many years ago; Aidan Quigley was chief pilot of EI until he retired in 1981, havng flown several of the types which made up EI's early fleet, from the DC3 through the Viscount, F27, 707 and finally, of course, the 747.

Anyway, back to today. Names are being considered for the post of new EI chief executive, with a former EI CFO, Brian Dunne, being among the most favoured. Rumours of dissatisfaction at DM's performance have been swirling around since early this year and while it would be fair to say that his tenure has seen some significant progress and development at EI, he was never the "long haul" guy, in more ways than one.

We won't see, at least for some time, what effect last week's budget will have on flying, but one can only predict that a tighter taxation squeeze can't be good news for air travel, so a continuing downward trend in bookings seems a likelihood.

On the plus side, er, well, there's still those sights which make jet fuel course through our veins ... a 330 on finals, short, full power takeoffs ... bursting through the grey clouds and into the wild blue yonder, on a wet day ...

As the man says, Always look on the bright side of life!

209 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineTonymctigue From Ireland, joined Feb 2006, 1944 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11601 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!



Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
On the plus side, er, well, there's still those sights which make jet fuel course through our veins ... a 330 on finals, short, full power takeoffs ... bursting through the grey clouds and into the wild blue yonder, on a wet day ...

As the man says, Always look on the bright side of life!

Good positive intro Kaitak. I really hope long haul bookings pick for EI soon because if they don't, I would be seriously worried that we might see fewer 330's on finals at DUB and SNN. One must imagine that further capacity cuts will be on the cards if things don't pick up. Funny, my mother flew SNN-BOS two weeks ago and said the flight was practically full but the BOS-SNN leg last week, less than a third she reckoned. Everyone in the rear cabin had a row of seats to themselves. Great if you want to lie down and have a sleep but bad for business. It was like flying the 747's in the 80's where there was a mad rush to leave Ireland but no one wanted to come back. I hope the EI 330's don't become a symbol of Irish emmigration bad times in Ireland like the EI 747's in the 1970's/1980's, the ocean liners before them centurary and the coffin ships prior to that again.



Next Flights: 27/06/14 CX 178 MEL-HKG; 28/06/14 CX 830 HKG-JFK; 04/07/14 EI 134 BOS-SNN
User currently offlineNeutral From Ireland, joined Nov 2007, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11591 times:

Any details yet on how Aer Lingus will use T2 at Dublin next year are they going to try making Dublin a better Hub/connection airport for their European/UK flights with transfers to their USA flights or have they yet to cross that path?

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26854 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 11524 times:



Quoting Tonymctigue (Reply 1):
It was like flying the 747's in the 80's where there was a mad rush to leave Ireland but no one wanted to come back

I dont think its that bad yet. These days there are alot more social services and help for the unemployed. Having a scan the other day there are still jobs out there surprisingly enough a good few in Airport/Airlines and hotels. People need to just be willing to accept something that is not in their current field and be prepared to re train.

Alot of young people have left for work in Australia already. It would be interesting to see flight statistics for EY QF TG SQ MH from Irish connecting traffic who have gone for more than a normal 3-4 week holiday. I know at least 15 who have gone from my local area.

I think the Irish Tour Operators are going to suffer big time this year. They will be forced to drop their prices drastically. Two are on the brink of going under according to a guy I know who has been spot on with predicting XL/United/Gerry McMahon. For many the budget last week has wiped out the family holiday this year. Flights are the last thing on their minds. I think Aer Lingus will also suffer this Summer and we will probably see alot of seat sales even in July and August. The current economic crisis is far from over and within 12 months AIB/BOI will be state owned.


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3918 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 11499 times:

Back from MAD with EI, I must day my connection over from MAN and the two flights to/from MAD were excellent, both being on-time and with the usual excellent service. The FR connection down from DUB was another story though - the park benched FR call seats are horrifically uncomfortable! I plan to do a TR over the next few days once I have flown MAN-ORK. MAD is a great city, highly recommended.

Speaking of EI 330s, how can one tell from the seatmaps what aircraft is what?
Looking at flights in June I see three different 333 configs
One with just two rows forward of the galley is -ORD, right?
Then there is the exit row at 11HK or 12HK - is this a clue as to which aircraft has AVOD?

Cheers for the help,
Brian.



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26854 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 11451 times:



Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 5):
Speaking of EI 330s, how can one tell from the seatmaps what aircraft is what?

I did have sheets that I printed off but lost them. Will try to find them again.

-------------------

BFS-TFS-BFS will be operated Tues/Thurs/Sat.

EI 42 BFSTFS 1440/1910

EI 43 TFSBFS 1955/0020

FARES FROM £137.35

Good times and good prices and should do well.


User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 11394 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 3):
I think Aer Lingus will also suffer this Summer and we will probably see alot of seat sales even in July and August

One thing LCC's and other airlines will suffer from this summer is poor sales of discounted seats.

It's pointless discounting your seats if the cost of getting a bed at destination is the same or more expensive than before. Also costs of food and entertainment at destination remain high.

There are only so many times you can go and stay with granny.  Wink


User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6321 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11374 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 5):
BFS-TFS-BFS will be operated Tues/Thurs/Sat.

Great to see, hopefully the route will do well for Aer Lingus.

Jet2 will also operate BFS-TFS-BFS from late October but with just a weekly Friday flight.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26854 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11358 times:



Quoting Babybus (Reply 6):
It's pointless discounting your seats if the cost of getting a bed at destination is the same or more expensive than before. Also costs of food and entertainment at destination remain high.

True and the Eurozone is alot more expensive for Brits this year. I was chatting to a mate who works at the GNTO and he says figures for advance bookings to Greece this year from UK and other Eurozone countries like Ireland and Germany are 30% down. This is forcing hotels to drop prices. They are going to have to if they want the bookings. Domestic Irish and British tourism is expected to increase this year also.

I do think that the likes of TFS ACE and LPA/AGP from BFS will do well though. People own properties there also. Its the other destinations that will suffer.


User currently offlineEISHN From Ireland, joined Feb 2007, 1509 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11326 times:



Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 4):
Speaking of EI 330s, how can one tell from the seatmaps what aircraft is what?
Looking at flights in June I see three different 333 configs
One with just two rows forward of the galley is -ORD, right?
Then there is the exit row at 11HK or 12HK - is this a clue as to which aircraft has AVOD?

ORD only has 20 Premier seats.
DUB/JFK are the bog standard 24/303.
DUZ/EAV have the two rows forward of the galley (15 seats), and are also the ones with 11AC & 11HK.



St. Flannan/ Fhlanain- She took off to find the footlights, And I took off for the sky
User currently offlineCallBell From Germany, joined Mar 2008, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11323 times:



Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 4):
One with just two rows forward of the galley is -ORD, right?

ORD has 3 rows of Y class forward of the mid galley. ( at least on the AC-HK seats). It also has only 20 Premier seats.

EAV and DUZ have 2 rows there.

If it is a -200 and there is a large block of seats missing in the middle of Y class, then u have an old config.


User currently offlineCelticMech From Ireland, joined Oct 2008, 216 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 11322 times:



Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 4):
Speaking of EI 330s, how can one tell from the seatmaps what aircraft is what?

From what i can remember off hand...DUZ and EAV, 24 in Premier standard layout and economy starts with row 9
On the Other hand...ORD's Economy seats start with Row 8...That is one easy way to differentiate it from the others plus only has 20 Premier Seats. Also...If you do manage to be on ORD in Economy, i would seriously recommend trying to get Row 8..the section of seats aft of Premier and fwd of Door 2 has 3 rows vs 2 rows in DUZ/EAV. The Row 8 has massive legroom between the seat and the bulkhead partitian of Premier. Just somehting to look out for.
EI-JFK and EI-DUB have 24 Premier seats and 303 in Economy but forget how to tell difference with the extra seats compared to other 2 layouts.
JFK/DUB have 24/303
DUZ/EAV have 24/298
ORD has 20/298


User currently offlineEiegaa From Ireland, joined Feb 2008, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11242 times:

Just going back to what was said on the previous thread re EI long haul at BFS. Philip mentioned his colleague who decided to fly from BHD instead of making the bus journey down to DUB. I flew DUB-JFK-DUB with EI in January and took the bus down from Belfast. Many of you may know that this service is shared by both Ulsterbus and Bus Eireann. I can't describe how much I hate having to go with Bus Eireann, and I got them on both legs. The next time I fly to NY I'll be using CO from BFS.


An Dun, All-Ireland Champions 2010
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26854 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11236 times:



Quoting Eiegaa (Reply 12):
Many of you may know that this service is shared by both Ulsterbus and Bus Eireann. I can't describe how much I hate having to go with Bus Eireann, and I got them on both legs. The next time I fly to NY I'll be using CO from BFS.

Why didnt you like them? Did you get an old bus or something? I take them regularly and normally they are fine. They have nice blue leather seats but if you got an old one they are manky. I recently ditched the Air Coach and opted for Bus Eireann instead. Then again from Newry its a shorter journey.


User currently offlineAerLingus747 From Ireland, joined Apr 2006, 223 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11169 times:

Looks like AZ604 is diverting to SNN anybody have any more info.

User currently offlineAerdingus From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 2819 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 11155 times:



Quoting AerLingus747 (Reply 15):
Looks like AZ604 is diverting to SNN anybody have any more info.

I heard on the radio that the captain suffered a heart attack, nothing else revealed.



Cabin crew blog http://dolefuldolegirl.blogspot.ie/
User currently offlineEI787 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1513 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 11132 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Quoting Aerdingus (Reply 16):
I heard on the radio that the captain suffered a heart attack, nothing else revealed.

Yup, just on TV3 News now.

Here's the RTE story on it: http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0415/shannon.html

EDIT: Just listening to SNN ATC, it seems LH452 (MUC-LAX) (A340-600) is dumping fuel. Possibly another diversion into SNN? Busy day there it seems!

[Edited 2009-04-15 09:43:41]

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26854 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 11108 times:



Quoting Eiegaa (Reply 14):
Then you have to listen to that awful pre-recorded warning everytime the luggage doors open/close.

LOL... ''luggage doors operating'' .. Lucky its only two stops to Dublin from Newry . I thought they would have to put on an extra bus if the bus got full? Its not good for a airport service where people need to get to their flights. They should give you your change in the currency paid but for me I use both so personally wouldnt mind what I got back.

With regards being charged the wrong fare you should have written in . There have been talks of them cutting the number of Bus Eireann services. I do hope they dont do it on Airport services. I remember the old days when you couldnt get a 7am or 8am flight unless you drove to the airport.


User currently offlineEISHN From Ireland, joined Feb 2007, 1509 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 11083 times:



Quoting EI787 (Reply 17):
EDIT: Just listening to SNN ATC, it seems LH452 (MUC-LAX) (A340-600) is dumping fuel. Possibly another diversion into SNN? Busy day there it seems!

Can I have the link to where you listen, please?

So are there two interesting wide bodies down at SNN then?



St. Flannan/ Fhlanain- She took off to find the footlights, And I took off for the sky
User currently offlineEI320 From Ireland, joined Dec 2007, 1436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 11077 times:

Quoting EISHN (Reply 19):
Can I have the link to where you listen, please?

LH452 : 292 passengers on board + 17 crew.

Link : http://www.liveatc.net/feedindex.php?type=international-eu

Diverting to SNN . (medical diversion/passenger with internal bleeding).

[Edited 2009-04-15 10:34:05]

User currently offlineBramble From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 11066 times:



Quoting Tonymctigue (Reply 1):
Funny, my mother flew SNN-BOS two weeks ago and said the flight was practically full but the BOS-SNN leg last week, less than a third she reckoned.

To be honest its hard to just on these short legs. Sometimes the EI132 can have 80% of the pax getting off at SNN (Brendan Tours!) so for any pax getting the SNN-DUB leg it looks empty,eqaully EI often restrict the pax on the DUB-SNN leg due to high loads out of SNN. Noe I haven't done this routing in many months so have no recent experience of the loads.


User currently offlineTango29 From Ireland, joined May 2006, 312 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 10986 times:

A couple of interesting visitors due into DUB tomorrow, 2 Algerian air Force C-130 Hercules
are due to arrive at 0900 and 0925 and then depart at 1700 and 1725, i have no idea what
they are coming in for or where they are coming from but welcome visitors anyway.


Cheers!



Flown: A300,310,319,320,321,332,333,346,380, B720, 727,732,733,734,735,738,741,744,752,753,763,772,773
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26854 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 10952 times:

Flight cost revealed as 1.6m euro

Government ministers in the Republic of Ireland have spent more than 1.6m euro using Irish Air Corps helicopters and aircraft since last October.

They took 83 journeys, 25 to and from destinations in Ireland.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/7999469.stm


User currently offlineIrish251 From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 964 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10865 times:



Quoting Tango29 (Reply 22):
A couple of interesting visitors due into DUB tomorrow, 2 Algerian air Force C-130 Hercules are due to arrive at 0900 and 0925 and then depart at 1700 and 1725, i have no idea what they are coming in for or where they are coming from but welcome visitors anyway.

This information was posted confidentially on a private, limited circulation list. I would suggest that you risk compromising the usefulness of that list and indeed the person who furnished the information by posting it on a public forum.


User currently offlineBramble From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10853 times:

EI-DAA came back from Bordeaux today as EI2507P. Next up is LAX.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 23):
more than 1.6m euro using Irish Air Corps helicopters and aircraft

Thinking about this after reading an article in a red top paper last month, It was in reaction to the door falling off the heli with a minister inside ("I though I was going to die").I don't dispute the figure quoted but believe it to be misleading. We are already paying for the Air Corps whether they fly or not,so it makes sense to use these aircraft to fly ministers if needed. The only additional cost is the fuel used. This transports the ministers and keeps up the pilots hours.


25 OA260 : Some nice video footage of EI-DEL and Dublin airport on BBC HD, ''Who do you think you are''. Its Graham Norton tonight.
26 AmricanShamrok : Does anyone know how many business (Affaires) class seats are on a WX RJ85?
27 Post contains links EISHN : There are some interesting reviews on Aer Lingus here http://www.reviewcentre.com/reviews-all-7874.html It's quite a mixed bag, with polar opposites a
28 Shamrock350 : Aer Lingus have been putting their winter schedule from Belfast on sale throughout the day. Routes currently on sale for winter 09/10 TFS x 3 ACE x 4
29 Post contains links Kaitak : Off duty pilot helped to land AZ 763: http://www.independent.ie/national-n...r-captain-becomes-ill-1710154.html Inquest into Cessna Caravan crash in G
30 OA260 : AMS/BCN/CDG all missing from the CRS also. Its weird that MUC is fully open for sale and AMS / CDG BCN is not. ----------------- 13 !! unlucky for so
31 Shamrock350 : It looks like AMS and CDG will not return, AMS was dropped last month and I didn't think there were any plans to bring it back while CDG was an equal
32 AmricanShamrok : Thanks! The diverted AZ 763 to SNN yesterday finally took off just after 10am this morning: New York (JFK) Alitalia AZ604 16-04-2009 08:30 Departed 1
33 OA260 : Its just very un settling to the consumer. They will think they should avoid EI in case they drop a route. There is no way business travellers would
34 Shamrock350 : I think most of the damage was done when the routes went once daily, it just wasn't suitable and loads remained at less than 30% so it really was jus
35 OA260 : Without a KL codeshare it was doomed from the start. Hopefully . Canaries should be strong for them as should AGP.
36 Tango29 : I think you have jumped to a bit of conclusion there, how do you know where i got the info from??? This is an aviation enthusiasts website after all.
37 BrianDromey : I think that definately contributed, especially when they went in at 2x daily. But, on the other hand AMS should have pretty strong O&D demand of its
38 Post contains links and images OA260 : I was having a throw out and just found these :: An old EI ticket wallet. Also an old ticket which sadly I had to get refunded as I had to go to India
39 Bramble : Saw both of them. Were at Pier C about 2pm. Pushed and took off about 1440 and 1500. Got shots but angle wasnt great. Due to muck weather the takeoff
40 Shamrock350 : CAA stats for March show an 11% decline for Bmi on BHD-LHR which is expected with less people flying and Easter falling in April this year compared to
41 AmricanShamrok : Flight EI122 (ORD-DUB) is delayed 4 hours tomorrow morning; I wonder what happened there...
42 EIDAA : Not sure what happened, but the flight is being operated by EI-DAA. The outbound was over 6 hours late getting out of DUB today, leaving at 2030 inst
43 Post contains links OA260 : Barrington says he's ready to take tough decisions at Aer Lingus Acting chief executive Colm Barrington is a man in a hurry, writes CIARAN HANCOCK IT
44 BrianDromey : Thats an interesting state of affairs at EI. They are currently painting the picture that EI is in a semi-critical situation. What really strikes me
45 EI320 : Barrington is an interesting man to listen to. He tells the story as it is and I think people will respect him for that. Dermot was too fluffy, every
46 COEI2007 : I'm sure they want a lot of the top end out, and i'm sure there are plenty of managers that they could get rid of! SNN-ORD is gone, and I would say S
47 OA260 : Looking at the UK Winter schedules in the CRS . BHX down to 1 a day MAN down to 1 a day NCL and GLA are not in the system. Who knows maybe they will
48 Humberside : These should be core routes for EI. Arguably BHX, and especially MAN, are far more important than most of EI's European network. If current schedules
49 OA260 : Yes we will have to wait and see but if it does turn out that way its a real shame. Looks like curtains for BFS-BCN !!! MON 09NOV09 BELFAST /BARCELON
50 BrianDromey : I can't imagine that this will be the case long term. I think EI just need to get some of the routes on sale for the winter, MAN is currently 3x dail
51 AmricanShamrok : Well EI usually officially announce details of the Winter Schedule in late May/early June so only time will tell...I hope SNN-ORD isn't axed, loads ar
52 OA260 : All the Winter USA flights are loaded into the CRS . SNN-JFK 5 x a week SNN-BOS Daily SNN-ORD No Flights . So unless its added later maybe its gone.T
53 AmricanShamrok : Maybe you're right but something similar happened in summer 2007 (also when there was nonstop SNN-ORD flights) where SNN-DUB-ORD wasn't loaded for th
54 EISHN : I would have thought that maybe they'd cut that down to 5 weekly, but it seems to still be doing well. As far as cost cutting goes, might we see the
55 JWMD123 : I think we may be all jumping the gun. I checked FR and they have not loaded any DUB-BHX or DUB-MAN flights yet for the the winter. I'd say give it a
56 OA260 : An A330 Maybe they will , I guess all these schedules are subject to cancellation or reduction or indeed increase in this current climate.
57 Aer Lingus : No that went tech, see note above re: EI-DAA . Now showing a hire-in ATR42: SAT 18APR09 SHANNON/CHICAGO 11/0000 11/2359 G* 1 SNN ORD 1145 1345 EI 127
58 COEI2007 : Loads may be good in Y, but what about yield, and is J busy ex SNN? Willie Walsh had wanted to outsource catering, and I think cleaning, I wonder cou
59 Post contains links and images EI320 : Lower fuel costs will save Ryanair %u20AC500m RYANAIR Holdings expects to save around e500 million in the 2009/2010 fiscal year, thanks to lower fuel
60 Pe@rson : By %u20AC500m? Blimey! And this is from FR, an airline that is almost always down-playing financial expectations? Will be interesting to see what, ex
61 Pe@rson : If it does make a big profit, hardly surprising: fuel prices have dropped; it has embarked on a cost-cutting exercise to shave 5% off; and it has mass
62 Post contains links JWMD123 : Just to let anyone know if they are interested, dublin airport have updated their route map on the website. It is actually quite good. It now shows va
63 Tango29 : Perhaps he is, but the point i was making was that i recieved the info from two different sources within the airport and not from a "limited circulat
64 Post contains links EIDAA : Some interior shots of the T1 extension available here:- http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055519868&page=2
65 OA260 : Have to say Im pleasantly surprised. Looks good so far.
66 EIDAA : I am looking forward to passing through it once it opens. It should be a big improvement. Reading through the thread, it appears there will be a Star
67 OA260 : I said last year that they should bring in Boots. Sometimes you want small things that you have forgotten and dont want to be fleeced for them. Boots
68 BrianDromey : I think it should hopefully get rid of most of the dingy, mase-like corridors which one currently needs to go through to get to the D and A gates. Im
69 Neutral : The temporary boarding gates are staying until pier E is in use,the extension to pier D is cancelled these measure have been agreed with the airlines
70 Post contains links Irish251 : I should say that I accept that Tango29 didn't obtain the information from the list I referred to. That was a mistake on my part. However my essentia
71 Neutral : Latest traffic figures from Dublin: Passenger throughput at Dublin Airport exceeded 1.6 million in March, a 14% decrease over the same period last yea
72 Post contains links Greenjet : I noticed this interesting report on the CAA website: http://www.caa.co.uk/default.aspx?catid=5&pagetype=90&pageid=10246 Dublin-Singapore is the secon
73 Kaitak : Many thanks for sharing that, Greenjet, some very interesting statistics. It certainly shows that there is a market there; now, of course, I know that
74 COEI2007 : Thats why Mr Mannion decided to launch MCO, SFO and IAD? lol
75 TravelGuy : That would be a more than fair assessment. Indeed, I would say just about most (major) airlines are in at least a "semi-critical" condition if not wo
76 BrianDromey : What those figures do not show is the breakdown of high-yield Y, J and F travel. If the route is mainly low yeild, dirt cheap Y fares without enough
77 CallBell : EWR was dropped after 9/11, when the bottom fell out of the market. EI decided to consolidate its NYC flights in JFK as a way of cutting costs. Basic
78 AmricanShamrok : Ya think?! No ORD was always one of EI's US strongholds (along with BOS and JFK), other routes have come and go over the years but these three will a
79 Danny : 268 pax daily clearly warrants service on that route. Unfortunately DUB has no runaway allowing direct service and stopover will likely make the rout
80 TravelGuy : The decision to drop EWR was in motion prior to 9/11. EI picked up the route after they saw the success that WO had after they briefly operated sched
81 OA260 : If this were any other normal forward thinking country they would be out building that new runway years ago !! Why is it that successive Irish govern
82 Neutral : You forget any job like a runway extension at Dublin might take about a year to construct but at least 5 years of talking to reach the construction st
83 Post contains links Greenjet : There should also be a rail link between DUB and the city centre but that seems further away now than it ever was. There was an interesting article i
84 OA260 : Yes its a vital link. Same with BFS. There is actually a rail line laid right by BFS and all it would take is an extension. They have less of an excu
85 Post contains links OA260 : City airport redevelopment plans The terminal at City of Derry Airport is to be extended as part of a major modernisation plan. Two new buildings are
86 ClassicLover : I did the maths on that too... It's a shame that it's not being done really, isn't it? I'd love to fly direct to Singapore on my way to Australia, ra
87 Aerdingus : That totally sucks.
88 Kaitak : It could be done fairly quickly if the will were there; I don't see such a length being required for 18 mos - 2 years, so that is some time to play w
89 COEI2007 : If Colm Barrington, and ultimately the new EI CEO are hands-on, the DAA will need to step up and be of a similar mind. If EI decides it wants to laun
90 TravelGuy : That would be an excellent way for EI to "escape" the commercial limitation imposed by operating to/from Ireland. A market the size of LON opens up s
91 Shamrock604 : 268 pax and that's just through LHR! There's also MAN, AMS, FRA and CDG to consider (and probably one or two others) Im sure that would push the dail
92 Kaitak : Just didn't have the readies to be able to make a significant impact; however, I haven't given up. It just needs a different approach. It was just sou
93 Shamrock604 : I can understand the apathy alright. I think the difficulty of mounting something like that is finding the people to get behind it. Platform 11 had a
94 Post contains images AmricanShamrok : I have new information about SNN-ORD (from my mother who travelled on EI127/EI126 this week  ) : ► Loads in Economy were great; very full both ways
95 AmricanShamrok : - from the April/May 2009 edition of Cara
96 Aerdingus : That would be really interesting....
97 Irish251 : Don't forget that SNN was artificially sustained for the best part of three decades under the compulsory stopover rule and to a degree DUB paid the p
98 COEI2007 : If most pax were originating or destined for DUB, SNN-ORD hasnt a hope of surviving. Its the only transatlantic flight not bookable on EI.com, and th
99 Dstc47 : And also all the Dublin passengers, who not only paid extra fares for the costs of the indirect routing and also for the privelege of wasting an hour
100 COEI2007 : New Aer Lingus Cargo services to BRU New Cargo Services to Brussels Aer Lingus Cargo is pleased to announce a further service on our European network.
101 AmricanShamrok : Yeah so maybe SNN-DUB-ORD will be kept. That's very unfortunate and all but it was nice to have something that contributed so much not centralised on
102 OA260 : SNN should not have been allowed a runway longer then Dublins. They should have both had runways that could take non stop B747 flights. It should hav
103 AmricanShamrok : I strongly disagree with you there. If DUB and SNN both had the same runway length we all know Dublin would be favoured and Shannon would get nothing
104 OA260 : So that just proves the point that it was all artificial and most inconvenient. To say that the capital of the Republic of Ireland cant have direct f
105 COEI2007 : EI want to cut back on as much SNN-DUB flying as possible. Its bad for the 330's, and there is no need for more than one SNN feeder flight. If DUB-SN
106 AmricanShamrok : It might have been "inconvienient" but how many jobs were created over the years with all the stopovers, duty free, industrial estates etc. and how a
107 COEI2007 : When are the winter schedules completed and loaded online? SNN-JFK isnt bookable with DL for the winter, but DUB-JFK and ATL is
108 AmricanShamrok : Late May/early June usually...
109 BrianDromey : Is JFK-SNN not a seasonal route, or is that ATL-SNN. Maybe in an effort to gain higher yields and loads DL will move the JFK flight to ORK...haha Wha
110 Shamrock321 : EI-DVH/DVF positioned out to LGW at 2300 tonight. Are there more LGW routes starting tommorow?
111 TravelGuy : Disagree strongly. SNN gained business from many airlines and aviation entities over the years as a stopover and maintenance/fueling base. SU was ver
112 Shamrock350 : Munich, Vienna and Nice start today with Malaga increased to three daily.
113 OA260 : And now its mostly all gone. Still makes my point totally vaild that Dublin should have a proper runway able to take Far East non stop flights. It sh
114 Post contains links OA260 : Ryanair poll plumps for 'fat' tax on passengers Thousands of people who logged on to Ryanair's website have voted for the introduction of a 'fat' tax
115 Post contains links and images Toulouse : Well just back from a good visit to Dublin. Great flights with EI both TLS-DUB last Wednesday (albeit delayed, but due to an Irish couple that caused
116 BrianDromey : That is not true. The bi-lateral did, in fact state, that all commercial flights had to route via SNN en-route to their final point in Éire. This is
117 Post contains links and images Shamrock350 : The Queen flying Aer Lingus to Munich?! No, just a lookalike of course! Here's the press release from Aer Lingus. Queen of the Skies! www.aerlingus.co
118 OA260 : Nice snippets Peter. Cant believe its 3 years. I remember reading your trip report. LOL... how times have changed.
119 BrianDromey : It's 'DVF, DVH is currently working out of ORK. As we speak it should currenly be on route VIE-LGW. Interesting that they say more than 500 passenger
120 Post contains links OA260 : Here is a blast from the past :: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdLQhHgA0F0
121 Eiegaa : Brian, I am intrigued by EI's experiment with the 763. Why did SNN prevent them from flying to LAX?[Edited 2009-04-20 08:03:02]
122 Post contains links Shamrock350 : The Queen flying Aer Lingus to Munich video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zitxkiMCKOQ Plenty of Aer Lingus advertising around the terminal by the lo
123 OA260 : LOL... I couldnt find it thanks for the link. Its too funny. I wonder how many people were fooled? Some tourists maybe .
124 AmricanShamrok : There are no more nonstop SNN-ATL - instead there is just the year-round DL123/DL122 SNN-JFK-ATL How? Aside from a little inconvenience I don't see h
125 TravelGuy : Does anyone have a link to a full text version of the old versions of the bilateral accessible online? My understanding of it differs. I will concede
126 TravelGuy : After re-reading your post again I just want to reiterate a point in my previous post that my penultimate post was not meant to be contradictory to t
127 OA260 : Did BD 126 DUB-LHR always operate on Saturdays at 0600 from DUB into LHR at 0725??
128 Lasno : Can somebody tell me if Ryanair have introduced their bag drop desk (s) in DUB or any airport? Thanks
129 BrianDromey : I think you have a point. to be fair we are talking about the airline who insisted that the demand from DUB extended not beyond LHR and large Europea
130 AmricanShamrok : This has probably been answered already but why does EI send out 8 transatlantic flights a day when they have 9 A330s? Does every airline do this?
131 Kaitak : I believe that EI's plans for operating to LAX were made on the basis of being allowed to fly direct from DUB; there were two reasons for this, I thi
132 Aerdingus : Was enjoying the sun yesterday on a friends decking & normally we can see & hear aircraft heading to Dublin clear enough but this one RE aircraft flew
133 Kaitak : I think most airlines do; there are a couple of reasons for this: 1) You don't want to overstress your fleet; operating a nine flight daily regime, q
134 Eiegaa : Thanks Kaitak. I'm still a little confused though. AFAIK the 763s were leased by EI from 1991 to 1994. At this time the airline was state-owned. So w
135 CallBell : If the 767's had been used on existing routes then there would have been 747's sitting around and with the fall off in traffic with the advent of the
136 EICVD : Was much beter back in the late 90s, early 00s when DUB wasnt so busy. Almost every a/c arriving from a southerly direction would fly very low over t
137 Kaitak : Quite possibly, BUT don't forget that before MGQ became minister, Seamus Brennan was having his first stint as transport minister (you'll recall that
138 Neutral : Ryanair have a bag drop desk at Dublin I used it a few weeks ago
139 Shamrock321 : OA260 BD126 didnt always operate DUB-LHR at that time on a sunday, its only a new flight time. They fly 2 aircraft to DUB on the Saturday, the earlier
140 Sawtooth : When did bmibaby return to Dublin? EDI, CWL & LHR now in their booking engine.
141 Humberside : LHR will be on bmi (mainline)
142 Pe@rson : " target=_blank>http://www.independent.ie/national-n....html Some U.S. airlines, for example, already do this.
143 Aerdingus : yeah, I remember jumping & waving @ planes when I was about 3 or 4 , & wondering why they didnt come down & land on my road & take me to Spain. I mis
144 COEI2007 : I think its also down to having extra capacity, until EI-EWR leaves the fleet next month. It was good though as it has given them extra slack in the
145 Shamrock604 : There is no ambiguity about the original stopover rule whatsoever. It was required that ALL CARRIERS who wanted to serve DUB were COMPELLED to stop a
146 Shamrock604 : It was hugely damaging. The extra fuel costs, extra aircraft utilisation, costs etc etc meant anyone who wanted to fly to DUB on a route where there
147 Post contains links OA260 : Aerospace engineer signs contract with major airbus firm By Staff Reporter 21/04/09 Dundonald aerospace engineering consultancy Belfast Aircraft Stres
148 Kaitak : A small qualifier on that; I think charter flights had the option of stopping in one direction. Shamrock 604, right on all counts. Even though the st
149 Kaitak : EI-EBV and 'EBW arrived in DUB today on delivery. 'EBX follows on the 29th, with 'BY and 'BZ following on the 1st May, after which FR moves onto the '
150 Aidanoc5793 : Can somebody please tell me why Hamburg International is operating flights from DUB to PRN? Are these charters to/from Ireland?
151 OA260 : Could be , there are some 300 Irish Soldiers serving under the umbrella of NATO peace keeping force IIRC.
152 Aidanoc5793 : Could be , there are some 300 Irish Soldiers serving under the umbrella of NATO peace keeping force IIRC. Ah ok, Thxxxx a lot dude!!!!
153 Shamrock604 : Yes, Kaitak, you are correct as I mentioned above. Charters were to an extent exempt.
154 Shamrock604 : Me too. I feel yet more anger that this gets held up as the only way the government could correct the economic imbalance between west and east. By al
155 BrianDromey : That is interesting. Actually that helps to explain the Aer Lingus services to the US, which were technicaly, charters. I think those flights might h
156 Shamrock604 : Yes, it was to MCO, but that wasnt because of the SNN stop. It was to get around the bilateral agreement that restricted EI to JFK, BOS, ORD and LAX.
157 Aer Lingus : there's an enormous cruise ship docked in dublin port at the moment, the Grand Princess; all 109,000 tonnes 261ft x 950ft of her. its a monstrosity! i
158 Shamrock321 : The Hamburg Intl flights are indeed for the army. I was in the pier A extension today it was opened to staff, Burger King and Starbucks were free for
159 AmricanShamrok : Yes they were flights EI2001/EI2002 DUB-SNN-MCO (there was a stop at SNN in both directions). Ah now, no one says that!
160 Post contains images Irish251 : I beg to differ.....
161 OA260 : I have been on it and its not a ship Id like to go on again. A bit old peoples home type crowd. I think its doing a British Isles cruise before going
162 Aer Lingus : no there wasn't, only on the way back. it was DUB-MCO-SNN-DUB.
163 Pe@rson : I now have my Electron.
164 BrianDromey : Im very tempted to apply for one. I think Lloyds do them...... It galled me to pay the extra tenner, then I thought "catch a bloody hold of yourself,
165 Pe@rson : No idea, but I got mine from Halifax. Very straightforward.
166 Aerdingus : A330's are my 707's! But you got me there on sound I think...
167 OA260 : I remember the MEA 707's flying directly over my house in West London when I was a kid, the black smoke coming out of the engines and the roar was am
168 EICVD : It must be great to have memories of classic aircraft like that, not the boring aircraft of today like the A320/737
169 Styles9002 : From my reading of the original post, I don't think he is questioning the veracity of the requirement. My impression is that he is questioning the le
170 OA260 : LOL... well Im talking about 1987 when I was 12 lol.... Im not that old
171 BrianDromey : If it were not for the EU forcing the Irish governments' hand the stopover would still be in place. I'm certain of it. Classic aircraft like the L-10
172 Post contains links OA260 : ( Report out now ) Wednesday, April 22, 2009 Crash narrowly avoided after pilot mistook hotel for runway By Seán McCárthaigh A CHARTER plane with 11
173 Aerdingus : My aunty lives in Santry, & she saw it go right over her house. she could even she see the people's faces in the windows!
174 OA260 : Aer Lingus ( as cynically predicted ) scooped up the awards for Best European and Best Longhaul carrier at the consumer awards last night. Best Europe
175 EIDAA : LHT halts Airmotive investment after unions reject work plan Simon Warburton, London (22Apr09, 10:36 GMT, 234 words) Lufthansa Technik Airmotive Irela
176 Shamrock604 : Ah, OK, perhaps I read it wrong then. I think it was actually 1:1 takes off and landings. With EI, this would have done nothing to help due to the on
177 Post contains links and images Kaitak : No, it was based on the nmber of departures, so as Shamrock 604 points out, an airline could have offered a different aircraft from SNN and DUB, as A
178 Post contains links Kaitak : Incidentally, the CanJet 737-800, C-FTCZ, which was involved in a hijacking situation in Jamaica a few days back, was formerly EI-CSH of Ryanair. http
179 Shamrock604 : I remember reading in Air Transport World about 5 years ago that even at that stage, CO were considering sending the 737-800 from EWR to SNN. DUB was
180 Styles9002 : One of the posts in that thread (apparently from a CO pilot) mentioned the possibility of a B753 to DUB from EWR in the summer to add some Y class ca
181 EIRules : Interesting, why the A320 and not the 737? I do completely agree that the 757 is hardship transatlantic and wouldnt fancy it in a 737 at all
182 Kaitak : I don't think so - not from CO anyway; are the CO 753s even ETOPS qualified? I think the only 753s DUB has ever seen are Arkia's on Summer charters f
183 OA260 : Id do it on a B757 in J class but not in Y . ET have some good fares to DXB in Y class but the B757 puts me off.
184 Shamrock604 : Not to my knowledge. CO last summer stated that the problem they had with the DUB route was a lack of J capacity on the 757, hence why they switched
185 BrianDromey : How about the Privatair 73W and 73Hs that operate for LH and LX, they are in an all J layout, with lie-flat beds, would you really rather a 767 over
186 Post contains links BrianDromey : Speaking of A330s, I was having a look at the thread detailing the new LX A333. It looks stunning, inside and out, in all three classes. A thought str
187 Shamrock604 : Ah come on Brian, thats obviously a totally different kettle of fish! I mean bog standard Y class transport here. Its not a widebody versus narrowbod
188 EIRules : I kinda know what you mean. I dont like the 737 as an aircraft at all. I far prefer the A320. I find the 737 to have issues to do with cabin pressuri
189 Eiegaa : I've flown BFS-EWR, EWR-BFS (twice) and MAN-YYZ on a 752. I've never understood why so many people have a problem with this a/c on a t/a route. I woul
190 Toulouse : Hello all. Well got to use the EI bag-drop facilities for the first time last Sunday. How long has this been available? It's just in Area 14, where Fr
191 Post contains links EI787 : The Terminal 1 extension is now open: http://www.dublinairport.com/at-airport/latest-news/220409_t1x.html Can't wait to see some pics of the finished
192 AmricanShamrok : 'Sé sin Aerlínte Éireann Really? My first trip in a 757 (transatlantic!) is coming up in 3 months, can't wait... IZ have scheduled once-weekly sum
193 EIBoston : Nothing wrong with flying the on 757 t/a. It is just as as comfortable as the EI 330's in Y. I think a lot of the issue of course is the single aisle.
194 Kaitak : I don't see much difference; you're comparing one EI photo to about a dozen photos of a brand spanking new plane that's just flown in from the factor
195 Tonymctigue : Utter union madness. They've been told LHT is willing to invest something like %u20AC40 million into the plant which they would hardly be willing to
196 BrianDromey : All of the NW 753s are ETOPS certified, I think the CO thread mentioned that CO will have the aircraft ETOPS certified before placing them on Hawaii
197 OA260 : The thing is though look how LX celebrate their deliveries ! What does EI do ? No newspaper coverage , no ads. Correct me if I missed them ? Also the
198 BrianDromey : That was the only pic of the new interiors I could find and that picture is of DUO or DUZ, and was taken by Bramble (I think) literally days after de
199 Aerdingus : Just looking @ the LX new A330. It is gorgeous! But just wondering, whenever new aircraft are delivered for EI do they ever get the water cannon treat
200 EIEGAA : Those figures are pretty impressive. If I remember correctly the route was started in May 2005, so lets assume they've carried 400,000 pax in 4 years
201 OA260 : Certainly is impressive. Also a report out recently suggests that Irish tourists going abroad on average pay 30-37% more than their British counterpa
202 Shamrock604 : The route could definitely take another 757 or 762 rotation. An A330 being dumped on the route I think would jeopordise both carriers by thrashing yi
203 Shamrock604 : FR on the war path again, threatening to close Dusseldorf Weeze base due to restrictions on opening hours. I can definitely see FR's point here. Runni
204 Shamrock350 : It's only been a few months since they last threatened to shut the base but I can understand where Ryanair coming from, limiting their hours may not
205 EIEGAA : That may be the case for BFS-EWR, but what about other North American destinations? To get to YUL/YYZ/SFO/LAX/BOS/LAS/MCO etc from BFS requires a sto
206 OA260 : In that scenario they would be better doing what LH do and run a dedicated luxury coach connection only for USA bound pax incl in the ticket price.
207 AmricanShamrok : They're already all fitted with AVOD I think.
208 EIEGAA : That's one way of doing it, but it would put them at a large disadvantage. If you lived in NI or just south of the border and you want to get to Bost
209 HB-IWC : Please start a new thread for the continuation of this discussion as the current thread has reached critical length. Thread archived.
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
OAG Changes 4/10/09:AA/CO/DL/FI/NW/UA posted Thu Apr 9 2009 21:11:08 by Enilria
Sixth Freedom: Irish Aviation 6/09 posted Sun Mar 1 2009 03:10:55 by Kaitak
Oh No! SU To End All TU5 And IL9 Flights 10/09 posted Mon Feb 2 2009 13:41:26 by Planenutz
Air France :1st A380= 10/09 , 1st 77F = 02/09 posted Thu Nov 20 2008 10:02:15 by FCKC
21st Of Irish: A Wisp Of Green In The Air posted Sat May 3 2008 23:33:15 by Kaitak
Aerologic Is The Name And The 777LRF Is Our Plane posted Mon Jan 28 2008 04:56:13 by USAF336TFS
Who Is Blue Sky posted Wed Oct 4 2006 09:46:28 by GARUDAROD
Is Our Love For A Or B Sometimes Too Blinding? posted Sun Oct 30 2005 21:09:01 by DistantHorizon
Southwest: "Chicago Is Our No. 1 Priority" posted Fri Apr 8 2005 23:34:29 by GoAllegheny
The Horizon Is Green: Irish Aviation 20/08 posted Sun Apr 27 2008 11:45:20 by Kaitak