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New United Economy 757 Seats  
User currently offlineRampRat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1546 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 20153 times:

This is off my Employee's website




B757 With 'Slimline Seats' to Enter Service This
Month

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As we face a challenging economic environment, we
are continually seeking opportunities to maximize
revenue while we meet the travel needs of our
customers. This month, one Boeing 757MQ aircraft
will be modified to test our U.S. domestic
customers' acceptance of a new economy-class seat.



New features of the modified B757 include:



* four additional economy-class seats

* leather seat covers in both classes of service,
United First and United Economy

* in-seat power available in both classes of service

* life vests installed for all passengers and crew
members (given that the seat cushions are not
floatable in the new design)

* brand-new seat cushions



The new, slimmer seats have 40 percent fewer parts,
making them easier for Maintenance to service, and
they are of a lighter weight. In addition, the
passenger control units which are typically placed
on the tops of the armrests are located on the sides
of the seats for a smoother armrest surface.



Literature pockets on the new seats are located
above the tray tables, opening up additional
personal space surrounding the knees and legs. A
smaller, mesh pocket is available lower down on the
seat to hold incidentals such as PDAs or eyeglasses.



The test aircraft will enter modification at Timco
in Greensboro, N.C., on April 18 and is scheduled to
return to service this month. Testing will be
conducted for 60 to 90 days to determine customer
response.



The aircraft is flying as nose number 5493 today; it
will be renumbered 5093 after the modification

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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5944 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 19979 times:

I wonder if they're Webers (junk) or those Recaro seats that feel way cheap, a la AirTran's 737-700s???

I hope not.

My question is, if they've had to install life vests (which require preiodic inspection and sporadic date-determined replacement) in place of floating seat cushions, where can the cost savings be? Is it in the four extra revenue generating seats? Or are they THAT much lighter?


User currently offlineN104UA From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 921 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 19924 times:

Where will the 4 extra seats be located

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 1):
My question is, if they've had to install life vests (which require preiodic inspection and sporadic date-determined replacement) in place of floating seat cushions, where can the cost savings be? Is it in the four extra revenue generating seats? Or are they THAT much lighter?

The 4 extra seats will makes huge amounts of revenue if you figure that a 757 does 4 flights a day and the average ticket is $150 that is $600 extra per flight and $2400 a day times 96 is $230,000 a day. and with the seats being lighter that will be less fuel per flight



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User currently offlineEaa3 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 19822 times:

Why only 4 extra seats. If they added a row it would be 6 extra seats.

User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2222 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 19716 times:



Quoting N104UA (Reply 2):
The 4 extra seats will makes huge amounts of revenue if you figure that a 757 does 4 flights a day and the average ticket is $150 that is $600 extra per flight and $2400 a day times 96 is $230,000 a day. and with the seats being lighter that will be less fuel per flight

Except you need to sell those seats so using your calculations and 75% load factor, brings it down to $172,500 a day. There are additional costs associated though...


User currently offline7673mech From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 744 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 18403 times:
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Quoting Eaa3 (Reply 3):
Why only 4 extra seats. If they added a row it would be 6 extra seats.

If you install them at L2 &R2 doors you can move all 3X3 rows back.

[Edited 2009-04-15 14:23:16]

User currently offlineUA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1740 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 18327 times:



Quoting N104UA (Reply 2):

The 4 extra seats will makes huge amounts of revenue if you figure that a 757 does 4 flights a day and the average ticket is $150 that is $600 extra per flight and $2400 a day times 96 is $230,000 a day. and with the seats being lighter that will be less fuel per flight

Assuming those seats will be sold on all four segments....

Quoting RampRat74 (Thread starter):


The aircraft is flying as nose number 5493 today; it
will be renumbered 5093 after the modification

Uh oh! Even more confusion among the nose numbers.


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6132 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 17798 times:



Quoting Eaa3 (Reply 3):
Why only 4 extra seats. If they added a row it would be 6 extra seats.

My guess is that they will install a full row of 6 seats aft of the over wing exit rows and one of the over wing exit rows is going to become a partial row of 4.

Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 6):
The aircraft is flying as nose number 5493 today; it
will be renumbered 5093 after the modification

Uh oh! Even more confusion among the nose numbers.

UA does have this habit of changing nose numbers every time they change a configuration... Smile oh well it keeps things interesting.

I know this modification was put on hold a while ago due to budget cutbacks; I'm glad to see if go forward especially with Power Ports in both cabins.



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User currently offlineUAORD2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 17719 times:



Quoting United1 (Reply 7):
My guess is that they will install a full row of 6 seats aft of the over wing exit rows and one of the over wing exit rows is going to become a partial row of 4

 checkmark 

You got it Smile


User currently offlineGALLEYSTEW From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 17620 times:

I have the schematic...it is 6 extra seats. Going from 158 in economy to 164.


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User currently offlineUAORD2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 17598 times:



Quoting GALLEYSTEW (Reply 9):
I have the schematic...it is 6 extra seats. Going from 158 in economy to 164.

Sorry my friend Smile The new config is 24F/162Y

Row 16 (second window exit row) is becoming a row of 4 seats. No "A" or "F". There is an additional row added (row 35)


User currently offlineM11stephen From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 1247 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 17387 times:

From a paranoid, cabin safety geek's point of view, kudos to UA for replacing the seats and installing life vests. Much safer than those glorified fun noodles they call flotation cushions.


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User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1697 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 17364 times:

Does this mean the extra 4 seats will be in the EconomyPlus section? And will the seats still have the in-seat audio with Channel 9?


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User currently offlineDLHFLYER From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 17337 times:



Quoting RampRat74 (Thread starter):
* four additional economy-class seats

Does 4 rows justify the cost of the seats, and of putting them in??? It seems like its a high price for a little gain.



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 6132 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 17254 times:



Quoting DLHFLYER (Reply 13):
Does 4 rows justify the cost of the seats, and of putting them in???

The true cost savings comes from the seats throughout the plane weighing significantly less and requiring less maintenance, the 4 additional seats are just gravy.

Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 12):
And will the seats still have the in-seat audio with Channel 9?

I don't see why they wouldn't.... I haven't heard if they will be replacing the CRTs at the same time with new LCDs.

Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 12):
Does this mean the extra 4 seats will be in the EconomyPlus section?

Good question.... Y+ will either shrink by 6 seats or expand by 4 depending on how they configure the aft half of the plane.....any one know for sure?



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User currently offlineN104UA From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 921 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 17009 times:



Quoting GALLEYSTEW (Reply 9):
have the schematic...it is 6 extra seats. Going from 158 in economy to 164.

Can you upload?



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User currently offlineUpstateDave From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 211 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 16790 times:

Its interesting that DL does 26/158 with no Y+. Wonder how tight the Y seats will be in this config!


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User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1551 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 16695 times:



Quoting United1 (Reply 7):
I'm glad to see if go forward especially with Power Ports in both cabins.

Kind of related but are the A320s with the new seats getting powerports in Y as well? Is UA planning on putting powerports and the new leather seats in all of the domestic fleet?

Quoting UpstateDave (Reply 16):
Its interesting that DL does 26/158 with no Y+. Wonder how tight the Y seats will be in this config!

Thats only two less seats than this configuration. The seats will probably be thinner on UA too so it may be better than DL legroom-wise.



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User currently offlineTu154 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 16382 times:

Seats are very much different from A320 leather seats.


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User currently offlineFL787 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1551 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 16304 times:



Quoting Tu154 (Reply 18):

Thanks for posting those. They look pretty nice even though they're thin. It looks like legroom won't be any more of a problem than it is now. Maybe even better. I really like the dual seatback pockets, more room to put stuff.

Are the black things underneath the seats powerports?



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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3172 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 16198 times:



Quoting M11stephen (Reply 11):

haha...best quote ever..



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21582 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 16082 times:

There goes one of the last comfortable seat on the domestic market. Having just flown the UA 757 to and from Hawaii, the padded cloth covered seat was a refreshing change from the thin, hard, leather contraptions many are switching to. But alas, now UA is switching, too.


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User currently offlineUAORD2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 15929 times:



Quoting United1 (Reply 14):
Good question.... Y+ will either shrink by 6 seats or expand by 4 depending on how they configure the aft half of the plane.....any one know for sure?

Current 57's have 50 Economy Plus and 108 Economy seats

New 57's will have 44 Economy Plus seats and 118 Economy seats


User currently offlineUAORD2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 15913 times:

Also, in a move to distinguish Economy Plus from Economy (besides the excellent legroom), UA is putting leather antimacassars on the E+ seats

User currently offline146crew From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 15401 times:



Quoting UAORD2000 (Reply 23):
UA is putting leather antimacassars on the E+ seats

What is an antimacassars?



Cross check complete.
25 UAORD2000 : Those would be the life vests. An antimacassar is a headrest cover that will be branded with "Reserved for United Economy Plus." Interesting that tho
26 United1 : They should be pretty good, they are the same seats that Swiss use on their shorthaul fleet....
27 Sparkingwave : Additional legroom is always a good thing. But it also sounds like there won't be any seatback monitors for IFE either. Compared to the likes of Virg
28 Phollingsworth : Well, DL doesn't have slimline seats in their 757s. Also when US put economy+ in, they got the extra legroom by removing it from the remaining econom
29 Sshank : Exactly - I hate these slimline seats - leather or not.
30 United1 : I'm assuming you ment UA not US.... UA created Y+ by removing a row of seats forward of the emergency exit row, not by removing legroom from the othe
31 AussieItaliano : It looks like the adjustible headrest will be gone too. Not a fan here.
32 Ikramerica : yeah, I really liked the adjustable headrest on the UA 757. Adjusted to a point that was good for my tall frame, had enough tension to stay put, etc.
33 Tommy767 : weird, because when someone posted new UA A320 seats they had adjustable headrests. Why do the 757s not have them?
34 UAORD2000 : Not quite sure why UA is introducing two completely new (and different) products at the same time. I say: pick ONE and go with it.
35 Iluv747400 : Sorry, but your calculation is wrong too. A 75% load factor means that 75% of seats are full, not 75% of flights. The extra seats can only generate r
36 United1 : Actually its one new product and one modified product. The A320 seats are the exact same seats that have always been used on a UA Airbus just re-cove
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