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MAN News 28  
User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7363 posts, RR: 14
Posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16373 times:
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As MAN news 27 has now been closed, time for the new one.

And we'll start off with MAN shaking sales team. Quote from the article = "The new team, led by William and Aidan, is already in advanced discussions with several long-haul and low-cost airlines about adding capacity to Manchester Airport over the coming eighteen months and beyond. As the economy begins to recover, we know that services to the Far East and new destinations in the United States are particularly attractive markets for many airline partners"

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User currently offlineSeemyseems From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16372 times:

Thats great news!

What sort of routes/airlines are we talking about?

MAN could benefit from routes to China and India, is Cathay still planning a return?

[Edited 2009-04-15 11:39:35]


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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7363 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16358 times:
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They've been broadcasting the same message for the past few years though. Lo-cost talks are probably only with FR and U2. Long-haul wise, not too much apart from NZ, AA to JFK and Air Asia X if were talking 18 months.

3 to 5 years opens out a bit to encompass along the likes of BOS/MIA/2nd ORD for oneworld, don't think we'll see too much to the States from Star Alliance (pending whether LH is interesting in having a small operation here), and for Skyteam perhaps DL to DTW; don't expect each route though to begin in that period - it may take 7 to 10 years.

For the Far East, it's down to CX and CA but it may be 3 to 5 years for those routes to start.

There is also the unknown factor on what VS will decide to do with their 787s, and how many will theoretically be "based"; again this is looking like a 3 to 5 year timescale.


User currently offlineSeemyseems From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 16351 times:



Quoting David_itl (Reply 2):
pending whether LH is interesting in having a small operation here

Is LH still looking into that, was it TATL routes only? It seems a bit odd that they chose MAN over the likes of LHR. Would they expand BD's MAN presence or just keep them down at LHR?



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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7363 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 16311 times:
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I can see LHR having a bit more of a major hub but what may hinder expanding BD long-haul is the presence of the other Star Alliance carriers; they'd have to eek out new routes that don't go on the toes of their partners. At MAN, it's more relatively straight forward.

Anyway, the provisional March stats are out and about. And no, I'm not going to work out load factors, at least not for now.

Where do we want to start..shall we go Middle East? EK again had a 7% fall but still carried 43000 passengers in the month, QR was down a one-way plane load (i.e. 280 pax) and EY was up a one-way half plane load (i.e 180 pax). But SV was quite impressive - 1700 pax which is 600 more than last year (it's getting nearer to 100 pax carried per flight) and LN almost reached 1000 pax (the smaller aircraft, greater frequency strategy seems to be paying off).

For the major Eurohubs, I'm surprised to see BRU register a slight rise despite FR going to notBRU. CPH saw a large drop (I don't think that we can say not having 4 afternoon flights operating can explain it), HEL a nice 15% route to over 7500 pax. CDG was down 12% , FRA down 19% but MUC was up 9%, AMS down 11%, ZRH up 9% but disappointingly IST was down 10%.

SIN was down 38% to 10000 pax. Collectively, the Pakistani routes were down 8000. And remembering the wonder of the BLL route, it had a good month with over 2000 pax (up 300)

FR corner (someone else work out the loads please!): CRL 3434 pax, MRS had 96 pax (48 pax per service?!) , BRE 5204 pax, HHN 3386 pax, NRN 6808 pax, SNN 8152 pax, BGY 2962 pax, GRO 3683 pax. The "shared" DUB had a neglible rise.

For the States, the only route growing was LAS; the falls for the others = ATL 14%, ORD 62%, JFK 47%, EWR 21%, MCO 10% and PHL 3%.


User currently offlineGayrugbyman From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1737 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 16129 times:

Bad news for MAN that Utd are to play Arsenal in the semis. Let's hope they get to Rome!

User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7363 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 16067 times:
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Finally out in the open is detail's of EK's new lounge and confirmation that they are gonig to T1 from 1st June. Details are here

User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7363 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 15713 times:
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A funny rumour regarding FR - their BGY service is going to go daily from July?! This is despite ruling out any more MAN expansion for the time being on 7th April.

User currently offlineGayrugbyMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1737 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 15495 times:



Quoting David_itl (Reply 7):
A funny rumour regarding FR - their BGY service is going to go daily from July?! This is despite ruling out any more MAN expansion for the time being on 7th April.

Now bookable.


User currently offlineEBBRbased From Belgium, joined Oct 2007, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 15335 times:



Quoting David_itl (Reply 4):
I'm surprised to see BRU register a slight rise despite FR going to notBRU

Any idea on how profitable or loss making FR could be on MAN-CRL with an average loadfactor of around 50-60%? They don't have the business model to operate with this kind of loads, right? Yields can't be great either with plenty of 15 GBP all-in fares, usually available up to a week before departure. Quite amazing they'll go daily on this route as from June 5th.

After FlyBE's structural cutbacks between MAN and BRU on either the afternoon or evening flight, they've now taken out the evening rotation for the remainder of the IATA S09 season.

It looks like Brussels Airlines is maintaining 4x daily flights, and also the morning rotation on Sunday (SN2173/4) is back since the start of the Summer season.

EBBRbased


User currently offlineGayrugbyMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1737 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 15267 times:

SN are promoting heavily around the corportate travel companies, and are doing nicely on their codeshare with 9W for India bound passengers fromn Manchester. AA also route passengers through BRU using the SN/AA codeshare.

SN also have strong African connections don't forger, which avoud hell holes like CDG!


User currently offlineDaleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3207 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 14883 times:

With BA starting the all business LCY-NYC route, does anybody think it may be possible that BA could start a similar style route from MAN?


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User currently offlineScottieDog From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 14878 times:



Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 11):
With BA starting the all business LCY-NYC route, does anybody think it may be possible that BA could start a similar style route from MAN?

In 2 words - definitely not.

Unfortunately Manchester does not have the business class traffic that the LCY-NYC route is planned to be supported by.


User currently offlineRutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2963 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 14862 times:
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Daleholic

Only if Manchester well specifically the Cheshire regions around - Wilmslow /Alderley Edge and Mobberley are collectively lifted and moved to their rightful place in the Surrey/Hampshire borders and they take the airport with them will you see an elite class service.

In a word NO !


User currently offlineEBBRbased From Belgium, joined Oct 2007, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 14858 times:



Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 10):
are doing nicely on their codeshare with 9W for India bound passengers fromn Manchester

Do you have figures to back this up? Even though the 9W code is present on the SN (de)feeding flights (SN2184/73), I'd assume that 9W also route a lot of passengers through LHR thanks to their interline agreement with BD.

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 10):
AA also route passengers through BRU using the SN/AA codeshare.

You're right, but do not overestimate the revenue potential for the operating carrier of the (de)feeder flight. SN obviously get's peanuts from AA for these passengers, so the revenue potential is probably very limited.

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 10):
SN also have strong African connections don't forger, which avoud hell holes like CDG!

...which is probably why SN added a nightstop on the MAN-BRU route. In the past SN put their code on FlyBE's early morning MAN-BRU flight, but


User currently offlineDaleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3207 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 14831 times:



Quoting ScottieDog (Reply 12):

It's quite depressing when an airport/airline can't attract 32 business passengers a day... I was suggesting the A318 like they are to be using from LCY.



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User currently offlineEBBRbased From Belgium, joined Oct 2007, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 14750 times:



Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 15):
It's quite depressing when an airport/airline can't attract 32 business passengers a day... I was suggesting the A318 like they are to be using from LCY.

If it would be so easy, wouldn't many airlines take advantage of so-called niche markets, throw in an A318CJ and fly around with full-Business configured aircraft!?

With a capacity of around 30-35 passengers, you need a strong (local!) market to get such a flight profitable as you only have 30-35 passengers to pay for your direct operating cost (and I can imagine that the cost per seat must pretty high on an A318CJ from LON/MAN to NYC).

Your peak flights need to be profitable enough to compensate for low-demand off-peak flights, off-peak seasons etc.


User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 14516 times:



Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 15):
It's quite depressing when an airport/airline can't attract 32 business passengers a day.

Well considering BA's B767-300's only actually have 24 business class seats, which they couldn't even fill as BA1502 and BA1503 at MAN, then you are actually talking about an increase in J of 25%! D'oh! Big grin

Their 763's long haul are 24J/24W/141M.

Also I hear an Easyjet A321 is ferrying up to MAN on the 1st May. Is this a new bird for Monarch?



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User currently offlineGooner From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 14276 times:



Quoting Gayrugbyman (Reply 5):
Bad news for MAN that Utd are to play Arsenal in the semis. Let's hope they get to Rome!

It may be bad news for MAN,but i'm more than happy Arsenal are in the CL semis Big grin


User currently offlineGayrugbyMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1737 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 14241 times:

How are SATA doing? Any figures?

User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7363 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 14220 times:
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Quoting Myt332 (Reply 17):
which they couldn't even fill as BA1502 and BA1503 at MAN

Did they even try filling them though? I've heard stories that the LGW-JFK service by them is just as "successful" at attracting that class of passenger, but I don't see any movement toward scrapping that service though.

I'd love to know how many J class passengers are transported each day from MAN to LHR, and where they are flying to; I'm sure they said 75% of MAN-LHR pax are transferring so even having only 5% of them connecting in J class would see about 35000 passengers may potentially use a route available ex-MAN. In fact, it we were to consider the numbers connecting long haul J class on LH, AF, KL and BA alone, it may make interesting reading.

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 19):
How are SATA doing? Any figures?

298 pax in March = 37 per flight.

[Edited 2009-04-20 14:21:00]

User currently offlineLHRjc From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 1964 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 14102 times:

WW are offering the chance to win a short break to NOC this month on MAN's website. Not exactly a dream holiday but worth entering I suppose.

http://www.manchesterairport.co.uk/C...paigns/knock/Register?referrer=web



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User currently offlineGayrugbyMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 1737 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 14062 times:



Quoting David_itl (Reply 20):
Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 19):
How are SATA doing? Any figures?

298 pax in March = 37 per flight.

Rubbish then.


User currently offlineMyt332 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 9112 posts, RR: 70
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 14044 times:



Quoting David_itl (Reply 20):
I've heard stories that the LGW-JFK service by them is just as "successful" at attracting that class of passenger, but I don't see any movement toward scrapping that service though

Well I'll tell you facts, not stories. Tomorrow BA2173, LGW-JFK, a B777-200, is currently looking like this: There are 6 seats available in FIRST out of 14. In Club World there are 9 available out of 48 (double what MAN had). World Traveller Plus has 7 available out of 40 and World Traveller has 24 available out of 124. The day after there are 5 available in FIRST, 7 available in Club, 6 available in WTP and 14 left in Traveller. I mean to me it looks to be doing very well! I just looked two months down the line at a random date and FIRST has only 2 seats left!

Quoting David_itl (Reply 20):
I'm sure they said 75% of MAN-LHR pax are transferring so even having only 5% of them connecting in J class would see about 35000 passengers may potentially use a route available ex-MAN

Well if we take tomorrow for instance then MAN-LHR with BA has the following departures and don't forget this is a good day with seven departures and not five.

Time Type Seats
0715 A320 156
0815 A320 155
1000 A319 132
1105 A320 155
1325 A320 155
1530 A320 155
1715 A320 155
1925 A320 155

A total of 1218 seats and although not all seats are taken, we'll assume they are. 75% of that is 913 (for connecting passengers) and 5% of that (premium) is 45, or thereabouts. Not exactly stella is it? Granted they are just rough numbers but it's what's happening basically. Have you ever seen the Terraces Lounge at MAN? It's dead most of the time.



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User currently offlineSKORD From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2008, 562 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 14010 times:

Does anyone know the last day of Ops for the BD long-haul?

25 GayrugbyMAN : LX are doing very well - now using 320s on Zurich.
26 SKORD : Im hoping to fly them MAN-ZRH-MIA or JFK in June on staff tickets. It would be nice to compare their J class to LH and SK!
27 David_itl : No, still not been to MAN. Circumstances beyond my control are to blame, and don't know when I'll be going either. Is that lounge BA specific? It jus
28 GayrugbyMAN : I understand WW are looking to maintain a LIS service year-round - good news if true.
29 Oly720man : From the BMI timetable it looks like the LAS flight 26/27 April.
30 MainMAN : One of three possible reasons.....firstly connecting at FRA, AMS or CDG is historically seen as far preferable to LHR, secondly (from experience) LH,
31 MAN2SIN2BKK : Must be coz FRA is as much a hellhole as Terminal 3 at LHR. AMS is pleasant to transfer, I have not used CDG.
32 LHRjc : It's BA's lounge but it's used by BA/AA/SN. Can WOW pax use it like the Terraces at LGW too? It used to be double the size but BE got half of it when
33 Jamotcx : Only if you have lounge access! (Which is superb btw) Otherwise its a bit similar to being in the trafford centre... (Then again what airport isnt th
34 LHRjc : excellent description... So when shall we do a lounge crawl?
35 Myt332 : I dunno, I quite like hanging out at that pub by Gate A7 at T5 when I'm not in the lounge. It's quite nice. I mean sure T5 has a lot of shops but it
36 Seemyseems : My dad is coming back on KL1097, is that the last KL flight to MAN, of the day? And which aircraft will it be?
37 MAN2SIN2BKK : Unfortunately all 5 flights a day LHR to BKK including BA are from the T3 Hellhole!
38 Speedbird19 : THe KL1097 nightstops to operate the first KL flight of the day, the KL1072. Aircraft is usually a B73W.
39 Seemyseems : Cool, thanks!
40 Cornish : It is quite normal for overseas airlines to be much more attractive in their premium pricing for non direct flights. This is not a BA only practice b
41 GayrugbyMAN : Bad news - X3 CGN no longer bookable after August. VG now down to just 3x daily LCY from 9x daily only a year ago.
42 Myt332 : But but it's the flag carrier, they have a duty blah blah..... At the end of the day you use it or lose it and the North didn't use it thus, they los
43 GT4EZY : Was it? GB only operated holiday and med routes and the network chopped and changed frequently. Far from being a European operation even eith a BA li
44 David_itl : Well if they stopped overcharging for the benefits of using the local non-stop service and matched the through-fares from other airlines, it would ha
45 LHRjc : Precisely. I remember back in 2004/5 being on a BA Citiexpress Flyer Connect or whatever they were called AR1 flying MAD-MAN with 3 pax on board. Pat
46 SKORD : That is sad news indeed! Im surprised their ANR and RTM flights have survived as the loads on those flights are generally VERY poor. What a shame to
47 LuftyMatt : I've heard a roumor that AB is picking up some of the X3 routes, not sure which ones though.
48 Col : Naughty Northern people, why didn't you fly your FLAG Carrier they offered MAN so much opportunity and support. I only used the service once over the
49 MAN2SIN2BKK : Agreed, BA have only one priority - protect London! I used to fly from MAN virtually every week back in the mid 80's through early 90's and they made
50 Jamotcx : True. Again true. And yet again true. If you remember there was supposed to be a large GB announcement which never came back in March/April 2007? Thi
51 LHRjc : Absolutely true. Unfortunately lots of the LGW brigade must have been up North and caught this plague as it's getting similar over there now too. I n
52 Gkirk : Speaking of easyJet, I was at MAN the other day, at the pub, and seen one of their new A320s sitting on the ground for well over an hour. Surely this
53 MainMAN : Small point of order! MAN-MAD did very well until both FR and U2 started ex-LPL. It's not easy to compete with those two in effectively the same mark
54 LHRjc : Wow what a surprise! But the planes ex-MAN are deployed on long sectors rather than hedge-hopping over to AMS etc. I guess they need a little rest Or
55 Gkirk : Well, I was taking it slowly, so only 4 Was some quite fit women sitting in the beer garden though, although some horrors as well
56 Myt332 : I think my afternoon drinking yesterday at a family BBQ and resulting post on BA caused a little bit of friction I see? No but Easyjet and Ryanair are
57 Speedbird19 : Hence the reason why I booked MAD-ALC with FR for 2EUR
58 GT4EZY : Very true and of course we all know this. However, on a short flights....if you don't need to check luggage, if you ain't too bothered about a sandwi
59 GayrugbyMAN : Any stats on U2 Sofia loads? Are FB still flying the route?
60 Humberside : AB now have control of X3's scheduled routes. X3 will continue as a charter carrier, and providing some planes and crews for AB. I think TUI (X3's ow
61 Seemyseems : Is there still a model shop in MAN? The one in T1 wasn't there last time I checked.
62 David_itl : Can't breakdown SOF into who carried what - all we can say that 4744 flew on FB/U2 in March, compared to 1981 last year. FB don't operate here any mo
63 Post contains links GayrugbyMAN : http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....111595_rail_congestion_losing_16bn
64 GayrugbyMAN : Just tried to nook an FR 10 quid ticket MAN-GRO.....interesting message poppeed up 'please choose Reus or Girona'. Reus wasn't actually an option, tho
65 MainMAN : They've added Barcelina (BAR) as an option, and it then links you automatically to GRO.....obviously because anyone not familiar with Barcelona's nea
66 Post contains links David_itl : Although not strictly MAN news, it seems there's an historic flight due for one of Manchester Museum of Science and Industry's exhibits. Story on repl
67 Speedbird19 : Last time I was over in T1, the shop was still in arrivals...also one on the viewing park too.
68 LuftyMatt : Ah I see, thanks. So there could still be a chance then?
69 LHRjc : Anyone know what the plan is for the big bmi clock outside T3? It seems to get even more random everytime I see it. That's bmi time...
70 Ammunition : Fr are gonna buy it and re-name it 'B MI Abortion'
71 Humberside : Yes, depends on what AB decide to do
72 GayrugbyMAN : BG are looking to rrestart MAN-DAC in September according to another site. Also, TG are starting 5x weekly BKK-OSL, seems strange choice seeing as the
73 Seemyseems : LOL, I only just asked if they were going to restart this route! It would be great seeing BG back at MAN, I remember a while we were parked next to o
74 Conrad : But not CGN-MAN. The service is to bel closed.
75 SKORD : Probably not as TG is scheduled into OSL approx 06.00 and dept at 15.00ish. The SK MAN-OSL has been re-timed since March and now operates in the even
76 MainMAN : Does MAN have a bigger market to BKK than OSL though? Thailand is traditionally a huge leisure market from Scandinavia, a lot more so than from the U
77 LuftyMatt : Wonder why? For the past few years it's been doing well.
78 Cornish : Not a strange choice at all really. MAN-BKK is dominated by the Gulf carriers - a large proportion of EY's traffic from MAN goes on to BKK for exampl
79 Myt332 : Qantas started service in to MAN today with VH-OJF, a B744. She flew SYD-BKK-MAN arriving 0702 and left at 0933 to LHR. Oh oops, it was QF1 on a diver
80 Gkirk : How dare you bring a reality check into this thread. Shame on you
81 Cornish : Yeah you'd think i'd have learned my lesson by now.....
82 David_itl : I would imagine that you'd recommend that all regional airports should cease actively looking for "proper" carriers then, as most passengers wanting
83 Cornish : Oh do get the chip off your shoulder for once. Its what gets in the way of what can be quite reasonable and sensible set of arguments from you. you';
84 LuftyMatt : Surely though BKK is a leisure market, whichever european airport they operated from?
85 Cornish : Not entirely - from the likes of LON, PAR and FRA you can generate business feed no problem - much of the rest of Europe its limited. But although OS
86 David_itl : Thanks for that. But why does MAN persist in trying to attract (I presume) TG to operate to BKK given the lack of premuim pax, plus the competing eff
87 Cornish : Well MAN's management, like any half sensible airport operator should be talking to any prospective airline - they all do it all the time. MAN should
88 Speedbird19 : Saw this, nice to see a B744 other than VS or CX Cargo, etc. Apparently diverted due to fog down at LHR, although strange that nothing else diverted,
89 Post contains images LN-KGL : Nice to see OSL being mentioned under MAN News Now over to MAN - my first visit to MAN in May 2002, and since that time I've followed MAN closely. I'm
90 David_itl : This year is going to be tough, but I would imagine that passenger decline may start to be reduced from September onwards; the effects of XL collapsi
91 MainMAN : I can go with this, although for some it's a contentious point! Also factor in the loss of Zoom, although Air Transat and TCX might take up the slack
92 LN-KGL : I did mention LPL, a bit camouflaged maybe (to the west) In addition you have Jet2 at Leeds Bradford (to the north)
93 MainMAN : Indeed you did. It was purely circumstantial that LPL made a deal with EZY. They needed the business, and BA over at MAN were promising a mini-hub an
94 GT4EZY : Or simply an aircraft became available. I think that the plan was always to "try" and base the 3rd unit here earlier but were initially unable to com
95 GayrugbyMAN : CGN, VIE, SXF, MAD, LIS, WAW and FCO woud be ideal new destinations for an airline like, say, EI to operate from, say, a new base somewhere, like, Man
96 Speedbird19 : Erm, I think that's probably wishful thinking...I'd say FR are more likely to start those than EI.
97 Boeing74741R : And most probably at an airport nowhere near the aforementioned cities
98 Speedbird19 : FR fly to both MAD and SXF
99 Gkirk : Yup, they'd be flown from LPL or EMA
100 David_itl : Perhaps U2 may, in the mid-term, look to go to these more "city break" like type destinations; BE may be a better bet for VIE and SXF, not too sure if
101 Gkirk : I wonder, would LH Italy consider MXP-MAN with their A319s or whatever they're using?
102 Post contains links GayrugbyMAN : http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...ness/columnists/article6201802.ece This ruling could be interesting re U2's future at LPL and future expansion
103 Seemyseems : I hope they do start it! I don't think there is a MAN-MXP route, well there is FR MAN-BGY. How about AZ making an apperance? How about LH's TATL serv
104 David_itl : At least daily (if not twice a day) by Flybe Emb190s. In light of SQ's decision to alter their SIN-MXP-BCN to purely SIN-MXP with LH Italia flying MX
105 GayrugbyMAN : The flipside of SQ doing that would be the loss of the cargo, which is a substantial earner for SQ from MAN, and.... SIN-BCN is a very different marke
106 Ryan h : I bloody well hope not as it is a long walk from down here in Australia. I don't fancy doing that come August!. As mentioned the SIN-MAN route is pop
107 David_itl : But unfortunately, I hardly think operating 3 weekly with 2 of those services at the weekend is going to appeal to business pax - this is one of thos
108 BlueShamu330s : If you get Air AsiaX at MAN, they will totally decimate even Y yields in a market already weak and highly price sensitive. It would be goodbye to SQ a
109 GayrugbyMAN : Adria Airways to operate from T3 this summer. Anyone know the sked?
110 David_itl : Thnik it's still 2 weekly (Weds + Sat).
111 GayrugbyMAN : I didn't realise ntil I just went to book a flight there, how BE have cut their BRU service to its bare bones. SN and FR must be hurting.
112 Danfearn77 : Time for some good news! Im here! God i will never use BA again, got to the US and had to wait a full 5 days for my luggage, which when it came was ha
113 GT4EZY : One of those kind of statements that I intensely dislike. Whilst it is obviously very poor, I'm sure it happens at every airline from time to time.
114 Col : Not me, I'm actually in Stockport watching womens FA cup final. Been here two weeks with one to go, so you can thank me for the good weather - brough
115 David_itl : Not just any old An124, a Libyan Cargo variety. Allegedly should be making another couple of appearances this month.
116 Col : What is it picking up, or is it dropping off? When is it departing? I am at the airport tomorrow checking on some of our kit, so may see it on ground
117 Rutankrd : I'll say it again containerization of baggage on short haul and domestic BA flights combined with current DOT and US security policies are THE ISSUES.
118 Col : Rutankrd, So two options: Can live without your bags - Chance it on BA. Cannot live without your bags - Choose a carrier who knows how to run a good t
119 Shamrock321 : I got a good answer to a topic I posted in polls and prefs but I was wondering if anyone here could shed some more light on it for me? How good is the
120 David_itl : Should be out today? 3pm is what I heard, but no reports of it having gone yet?! Also routing to Chad, can't work out what may be needed either from
121 Danfearn77 : The issue was no so much the bag delay, which i understand happens from time to time, its one of those things im not one to complain about that. But m
122 Rutankrd : Col Well I suppose you could try a certain New Jersey carrier or route via a point a bit further down Interstates 195/95 if you like a big jet. Or per
123 David_itl : 13th and 20th, both anticpating arr 1045, dept 1400
124 Speedbird19 : T2 Transfers is regularly used by PK with their transit flights, so a decent amount of passengers 200+. Gate 300 is the allocated bussing lounge in T
125 Post contains links Oly720man : Oil industry stuff going out there?? http://www.esso.com/Chad-English/PA/..._Paper_86721_EnvMgmtMonitoring.pdf
126 Myt332 : and; plus; = talk to your Aviance girlfriend at Manchester as they are who handle BA there!
127 LHRjc : His Aviance girlfriend? How many does he have?! Too bad. It's ok, it happened to me 7 times in a row and that was on 757's which were hand loaded not
128 Myt332 : The Honey Bee one and this one, so two? It happened to me once with GB Airways of all people although yet again it was Aviance's fault as they labele
129 LHRjc : Oh you mean to say GB didn't serve Cuxhaven/Nordholz Sea Airport twice daily... I thought they did... I must be getting old .
130 Danfearn77 : Haha no she has left there now! She has got an interview pending with ZB for cabin crew but she is working with Aviance whilst that comes along! Trus
131 Gilesdavies : Hey there all you MAN fans... I am taking the rare opportunity to travel up from Northamptonshire and fly from MAN and flying Qatar Airways to Hong Ko
132 Danfearn77 : Definately the A332! As for the config, i dont have the slightest clue but im sure someone will knoe for you!
133 David_itl : I'm sure I've seen that they've upgraded some services up to the A333? Don't ask me where though, can't remember!
134 Gooner : I hope you enjoyed seeing the Arsenal winning a trophy
135 Gkirk : QR's MAN services are mostly A332s, but the A333s tend to be regular visitors as well, plus didnt they send in an A346 once, or was that Etihad?
136 Myt332 : With regards to QR then I'm not overly sure how they decide what to send in as MAN still sees both the A332 and A333 even though only the A333 is 'mea
137 Rutankrd : Manchester is a two class route and ALL the A333 are two class Business Class: 24 Lie-flat seats Economy Class: 223 seats Only "some" A332 aircraft ar
138 QF175 : Apologies if this has been reported... Qantas will be operating a 744 service through MAN towards the end of May, as part of a group charter. Plan is
139 Danfearn77 : Thanks for the heads up! Any idea on the date? In regards to QR, i have never seen an A333 on one of their services, i have only ever seen the A332!
140 Myt332 : Arrives 2135 local and departs 2315 local on the 24th May. Hadn't heard of this before so nice reporting there. Also in the case the scum in red win
141 Danfearn77 : Would certainly do the pax figures some good! And hey i hope to be one of those 'scum in reds' that goes to Rome!
142 LHRjc : 6124 is a lot of beds Cool. Last time the Italians invaded MAN Blue Panorama sent in their 752's. It'll give those poor 763's a rest from their usual
143 Myt332 : Just try to avoid that dodgy Seagle Air 733 or Map Jet MD-83! Obviously things are picking up at MAN!
144 Danfearn77 : How do these charters organise? Who decides who flys the route and the capacityetc?
145 Myt332 : It works off a class system. People from Wythenshawe go on the older, more likely to crash, knackered flights like the Seagle Air B737-300, Map Jet M
146 Rutankrd : LHRJc True! that should be 24 seats at 61" pitch!!!!
147 MAN2SIN2BKK : Sounds reasonable
148 GayrugbyMAN : BG to shortly announce a retirn to MAN according to another site. DAC-MAN-JFK rumoured to be on the cards with a former SQ 777.
149 Seemyseems : Great news! I hope they send their DC-10's at one point, at least!
150 LHRjc : Ah that makes more sense, thanks! In other news, I read that "Hundreds of bird-watchers have signed a petition to save 800 rooks facing a cull at Man
151 MainMAN : No it doesn't say that! If you keep moving through the links, you come to a Financial Express (Dhaka) article about them starting Dhaka - Tripoli, an
152 Seemyseems : How come PK and BG (formerly) use/used MAN for its TATL stop overs? Wouldn't LHR or SNN be more suitable. But I am glad that PK chose MAN, such a good
153 GayrugbyMAN : DC10s aren't allowed at MAN anymore. Too noisy.
154 GayrugbyMAN : Man Utd through to Rome final, great news for MAN!
155 David_itl : BG's route to JFK originally routed through AMS (I remember BG009 diverting in back in 1987), not too sure if it plied through LHR (I severely doubt
156 Danfearn77 : Haha, so im on the older 733's then! But who decides which charter comapnies can do the route. Say i owned Airline A, what stops me doing this charte
157 MainMAN : There'd also be the additional challenge of more LHR slots. As far as I know, PIA have never used London as a transatlantic staging post.....well not
158 Col : Good job the ladies play better than the men! Was at the airport this morning talking with some airfield guys. They mentioned that Ethihad (not sure
159 David_itl : They've 4 I believe on order, but have deferred delivery until 2013. They'd also probably use them to LHR, can't see them here. Our best bet is 773s
160 Cornish : Wishful thinking on the A380s unless they produce a two class, "pack em all in" config for any of them. 773s much more likely. They use them on the I
161 Danfearn77 : Even so, i cant see MAN needing that capacity on a single frequency. Double daily would be a good option, or even operate a second flight on days SQ
162 Cornish : No me neither - but a second daily would make sense at some stage. The vast bulk of EY's MAN traffic is leisure to BKK and the Thai resorts or Indian
163 Jamotcx : So which do I go on then? Being brought up in Wilmslow and now living next door to Wythenshawe? Anyone else looked at prices to get to Rome for the f
164 MainMAN : So basically a load of middle aged blokes with bad centre partings on 'business'.... (There's time yet for me!) Yes, outrageous on Jet2 and BA, a lot
165 Col : Sounds like they need the 380-900 then!!!!
166 Post contains images MAN2SIN2BKK : Dont knock the lifestyle!!!!!!
167 LHRjc : You my friend can fly yourself there... I doubt EZY will miss a 319/320 for a day or 2 and I'll hang out in the left seat and call out your speeds fo
168 DptMAN : When I flew EY back in Dec07/Jan08 on BNE-SIN-AUH-MAN return the BNE-AUH service was a 77W 2 Class and was almost full on that route (I believe EY ope
169 David_itl : Non-airline news - MAN has ordered 2 ILS systems from Thales. What's goiig to be the difference between what they have in place now and what they are
170 Gkirk : They're gonna put it on Runway 23L?
171 David_itl : Possibly? There's diddly squat info on where they're installing it on either Thales website or on MAN's website. The only semi-newsworthy comment app
172 LHRjc : But CAP670 also refers to MLS, or at least my copy does? Wonder if MAN will go down this route now BA is certifying their 320/321's. 05R is CAT I onl
173 David_itl : 23R/05L is being resurfaced at night time this month, along with adjoining taxiways. Dates/times: 11/05/09 to 15/05/09 2230-0600 18/05/09 to 22/05/09
174 Post contains links LHRjc : http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...y/04/identity-cards-airline-pilots So apparently MAN and LCY pilots are going to refuse to take part in the ID
175 David_itl : BE have released thier winter timetable. Not too much happening, BRU remains 2 per weekday but FRA is also going to 2 per weekday is what I've seen in
176 GayrugbyMAN : No new routes from BE? MAD?
177 Col : Talking about BE, there seemed to be a shiny new Dash 8 in the hangar last Tuesday, OR was on the front. I am in YYZ at present waiting to get on my o
178 LHRjc : G-ECOR is about a month old but it's been in the hangar for about a week with gear problems.
179 Col : Must be ex SK?
180 David_itl : Absolutely nothing new that I could spot. We'll probably have to wait until next summer's timetable before any ramp up of services start. But I'll be
181 Gkirk : How many airlines have tried MAN-MAD and failed? BA, IB, ZB...perhaps only EZY or FR can make this work
182 LHRjc : Yep don't forget WW too! EZY won't start a MAD service when they have one ex-LPL I wouldn't have thought, so unless they move the service over to MAN
183 David_itl : ZB had too large an aircraft. I'm sure BA or IB, could have combined resources to operate a 2 daily 50 seat aircraft rather than the haphazard approa
184 GayrugbyMAN : The route wiorks, but the problem with WW and ZB was that of brand identity in the Spanish capital. I can almost guarantee neither of these airlines
185 Rutankrd : David Iberia stuck it out at Manchester for a VERY LONG TIME (till yes joining OneAirline oh sorry again OneWorld) They have visited regularly since t
186 Cornish : Problem is that UK-Spain tend to be dogs of routes these days for all but the LCCs. Yields have plummeted whether it be London or Manchester. The LCCs
187 GT4EZY : Absolutely........it's amazing how people brand a route successful with little actual basis to make such comments.
188 Jamotcx : Nice to hear the info from a.net rather than my company! Heard something new at manch on 19th?
189 LHRjc : It's your job to check the NOTAM's young man!! But seeing as you're too lazy here you are... Q) EGTT/QMRLC/IV/NBO/A/000/999/5321N00217W005 FROM: 09/0
190 Danfearn77 : My birthday thats what it is Im just outside cleaing my car and departures are heading over my house. Are my eyes lying to me or have i just seen a V
191 LHRjc : It was G-VSEA heading to BGI, G-VROM and G-VTOP headed to MCO which are both 744's. Oh and you missed a bit... Just under the right hand headlight...
192 Danfearn77 : I thought they were doing the MCO route? So is the BGI route now fully on the A343 or will it swap with the 744? Haha i actually have! The bugs are s
193 LHRjc : Well I've looked at the schedules for the next month and it shows once or twice daily 744's to MCO depending on the day of the week, and the 343 to B
194 ScottieDog : I am pleased to see that there is now an opeational date for the Air Livery faclity at Manchester. From the Air Livery website: Air Livery PLC are pro
195 MainMAN : Well at last, we may see some new and interesting operators at MAN!
196 Seemyseems : Isn't Air Livery based at Filton, atm?
197 David_itl : They've got a facility at FZO but HQ is Southend-on-Sea. Used to deal fairly regularly with them 5 years ago whilst working at a translation bureau.
198 GayrugbyMAN : I understand EK are rumoured to soon announce a 3rd daily service from MAN, which would be good news if true. Would tie in with their move to T1 on 1/
199 Mhodgson : Which hangar will Air Livery be using? A part of the TCX hangar, or have they finally taken the old BA Cityflyer hangar?
200 Myt332 : BGI is all A343. It flies up from LHR on Friday, operates to BGI on Saturday morning and gets back on Sunday morning. It goes back out to BGI on Sund
201 JRowson : Likewise, I had to double take when I saw her this afternoon departing! I too thought they'd let her go a couple of years ago.
202 Danfearn77 : Haha way too fast! I had a great collection of bugs there but they are off now! Didnt BGI used to be a weekly 744? If so is this a capacity cut? Hang
203 Gkirk : Indeed, I had thought that G-WJAN had been assigned as the 3rd NCL 757, obviously not T'was nice to see a VS 343 at MAN again though, despite the run
204 David_itl : Was weekly, so we've had a small increase in capacity by VS but still a chunk down on total capacity there given BD's tactical withdrawal. All part o
205 SKORD : Has everyone seen the new Jet2 TV advert? The words "tacky and annoying" spring to mind!! What on earth makes these so-called Advertising Experts thin
206 ScottieDog : Earlier postings suggest they are taking the BA hangar.
207 David_itl : Not strictly MAN related, but Etihad is meant to be announced as Man City's new shirt sponsors this week,
208 MainMAN : Agreed. Not bothered about cheap advertising (it is a LCC after all)..... but all that screaming!
209 Post contains links David_itl : Please continue in MAN news 29
210 GT4EZY : Not really, it cocked my saturday night up.
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