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United To Charge Obese Passengers For Extra Seat  
User currently offlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5595 posts, RR: 8
Posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 12018 times:

OK, this is an old argument and well discussed but United just began implement their new "buy an extra seat if you impinge on anther passengers space" policy:

Quote:
Passengers next to an obese person on full flights previously “had to share their seat with the oversized guest,” she said. The Chicago-based company decided to change its policy to match those of its peers after receiving “hundreds” of complaints each year and not having formal guidelines for flight attendants to follow, Urbanski said.

If a flight isn’t full, obese passengers will be reassigned to a pair of empty seats and won’t be charged for an extra ticket, Urbanski said. Travelers must be able to put the arm rest between seats down to its normal position and buckle a seat belt with one extension belt, she said.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...601087&sid=ajtmQ7v86kyg&refer=home

My main question is, if the flight is full, how is the obese passenger supposed to actually buy an extra seat?

Tugg


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User currently offlineCvervais From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 610 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 12009 times:

Poorly worded most likely. Full probably means X% of seats filled where X is not 100.


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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5804 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11987 times:

The UA rules say if the flight has no empty seat then they get shifted to a later flight.
"If purchasing on the day of departure and an additional seat or upgraded seat is not available on the ticketed flight, then the customer will be required to rebook on the next United flight that has adequate seating available. Any fees that would normally be associated with this type of change will be waived in this circumstance. If adequate seating is not available and the customer decides not to travel, the ticket can be refunded without penalty, even if it is a nonrefundable ticket."
http://www.united.com/page/article/0,6722,52985,00.html

[Edited 2009-04-15 14:10:43]


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User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11926 times:

If i was king they'd would all have to pay extra. Regardless of whether the flight was full or not.

What are the chances of finding a full flight these days anyway?


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11892 times:

Bring those people to us, we can use the revenue!  wave 

The chances are, here in DEN the pax will come to us, anyway. They know they love LiveTV....



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11345 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11850 times:

As a man who fits in his seat and cannot stand having someone spill into his, all I can say is BRAVO!!!! Thank you thank you thank you. I really just can't stand paying what I do for a plane ticket then only getting half a seat. No offense to the person that is struggling with their weight, because I understand such a struggle. But I can't be asked to share that struggle with you.

Quoting Tugger (Thread starter):
My main question is, if the flight is full, how is the obese passenger supposed to actually buy an extra seat?

Hmm.... that could be a problem.



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User currently offlineGreenair727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 568 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11839 times:



Quote:
The Chicago-based company decided to change its policy to match those of its peers...

Who are these peers? What do AA/CO/DL (&NW)/US/B6..... do in these instances?


User currently offlineUA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1730 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11826 times:



Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 2):
The UA rules say if the flight has no empty seat then they get shifted to a later flight.
"If purchasing on the day of departure and an additional seat or upgraded seat is not available on the ticketed flight, then the customer will be required to rebook on the next United flight that has adequate seating available. Any fees that would normally be associated with this type of change will be waived in this circumstance. If adequate seating is not available and the customer decides not to travel, the ticket can be refunded without penalty, even if it is a nonrefundable ticket."

Hmm, this could likely end in a lawsuit... Wonder if the legal or civil rights department approved of this?


User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 11771 times:

I smell a lawsuit coming soon... I wholeheartedly agree in principle that if you take up 2 seats you should have to pay for 2, but I could see all kinds of legal arguments coming if this rule is challenged.

These obesity coalitions are a bit ridiculous as well... there is no reason why 34% of Americans should be obese. I understand that sometimes it truly is out of a person's control due to medication side effects, disease etc, however these are the exceptions and not the rule.


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5951 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11654 times:



Quoting Greenair727 (Reply 6):
Quote:
The Chicago-based company decided to change its policy to match those of its peers...

Who are these peers?

CO, DL, WN, and B6 were mentioned.

Quoting D L X (Reply 5):
Quoting Tugger (Thread starter):
My main question is, if the flight is full, how is the obese passenger supposed to actually buy an extra seat?

Hmm.... that could be a problem.

I am assuming that they will work it like WN does, the "POS" buys the extra seat ahead of the flight and if the flight goes out with empty seats it will be refunded to them.



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User currently offlineJbernie From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11652 times:

Based on what I have seen so far...

- they will try to accomodate you by shifting people around... for free
- they will not charge you if the adjoining seat is not occupied
- if you do need to buy a 2nd ticket it is the same price as the first ticket.. which is quite likely much cheaper than the price they would charge you buying that day for that day
- they will try to accomodate you on a later flight at no charge
- if they are unable to accomodate you they refund the full price of the ticket without penalty

There is no justification for a lawsuit, you bought a ticket for one seat, if your body occupies more than one seat then you should pay for the additional seat, regardless of whether your girth is a medical issue or not. United is providing you with a lot of options at no cost and when you book the ticket you should have a pretty good idea that you will or will not fit within the boundries of one seat.

Too many people believe they are entitled to free stuff just because, you are making use of service (a single seat) that is provided for a fee, should you need more than what is provided for the fee you paid, you should expect to pay more. It is not discrmination or anything else. You are depriving the carrier of being able to legitimately sell that seat for a fee.

I understand that for some flights it makes the flight cost prohibative (empathy) but do not agree that you are entitled to a free seat because you are over size regardless of whether you have the ability to control your weight.


User currently offlineUA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1730 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11570 times:

Quoting Jbernie (Reply 11):

There is no justification for a lawsuit, you bought a ticket for one seat, if your body occupies more than one seat then you should pay for the additional seat, regardless of whether your girth is a medical issue or not. United is providing you with a lot of options at no cost and when you book the ticket you should have a pretty good idea that you will or will not fit within the boundries of one seat.



Quoting Jbernie (Reply 11):
- they will try to accomodate you on a later flight at no charge
- if they are unable to accomodate you they refund the full price of the ticket without penalty

Sorry, but there is. Telling someone that their too fat to fly on the flight and thus must take a later flight will only end in bad publicity, and potentially a lawsuit.

Suppose there is only one flight a day, is UA going to pay for their hotel to stay overnight hoping that the next day's flight isn't too full? Suppose they need to be on that specific flight for very specific reasons: a family/work emergency, a business trip, to get home/to something in time for work/school/a family obligation, etc. A skilled attorney could find heaps of reasons as to why the individual needed to be on that particular flight... not to mention the emotional trauma: someone asking you to remove yourself from the flight because you're too big while the whole cabin is watching has got to be humiliating.

The act of charging a large person for an extra seat is totally reasonable. No doubt about it. But removing someone from an aircraft, and stating that they will be "accommodated for" by being booked for a later flight. Most people choose flights convenient to their schedule. No one wants to take a later flight if they don't have to. Likewise, it shouldn't cost the passenger who paid for a ticket anything if they're being asked to deplane.

I don't think this will happen too often, but it's not a very sound policy. Perhaps suggesting to the passenger that they might be more comfortable on a less full flight would be a better idea, giving them the option (with some form of persuasion: free meal on the flight/free alcohol, drink coupons, one-time RCC access), because they paid for it. If they refuse... take note of the affected seatmates, and offer them compensation for discomfort: an upgrade to E+ on their next flight, an emergency exit row, a free meal/alcohol on the particular flight.

But telling someone they can't fly because their too big is asking for trouble- either a lawsuit, bad publicity, and certainly a loss of a customer.

[Edited 2009-04-15 15:12:57]

User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11528 times:



Quoting Tugger (Thread starter):
My main question is, if the flight is full, how is the obese passenger supposed to actually buy an extra seat?

The POS will buy the ticket ahead of time or supposed to rather.

Quoting Greenair727 (Reply 6):
Who are these peers? What do AA/CO/DL (&NW)/US/B6..... do in these instances?

WN is a big peer of UA in Chicago for sure.

Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 7):

Hmm, this could likely end in a lawsuit... Wonder if the legal or civil rights department approved of this?

No Approval is needed, there will be lawsuits but most if not all will be thrown out of court.

Quoting Cba (Reply 9):
I smell a lawsuit coming soon... I wholeheartedly agree in principle that if you take up 2 seats you should have to pay for 2, but I could see all kinds of legal arguments coming if this rule is challenged.



Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 12):
Sorry, but there is. Telling someone that their too fat to fly on the flight and thus must take a later flight will only end in bad publicity, and potentially a lawsuit.



Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 12):

But telling someone they can't fly because their too big is asking for trouble- either a lawsuit, bad publicity, and certainly a loss of a customer.

WN does it all the time every day, of course not directly stating "you are to fat to fly" Simply, due to regulations and such you will need to purchase a 2nd seat etc etc etc.

WN has not gotten much if any bad publicity, they have been praised for it, and in fact WN has gotten MORE complaints from the skinny folks who had to sit next to those obese folks MUCH more than the obese person who had to pay for the 2nd ticket.

Alex



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5951 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11478 times:



Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 12):
Sorry, but there is. Telling someone that their too fat to fly on the flight and thus must take a later flight will only end in bad publicity, and potentially a lawsuit.

I agree that its an issue that needs to be handled very delicately and using tact but WN has been doing this for years. Several of the occurrences even made it onto "Airline" when that show was still on the air, and as others have pointed out above more people support this move then oppose it.



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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5271 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11401 times:



Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 13):
The POS will buy the ticket ahead of time or supposed to rather.

So someone who is overweight is automatically a POS??? What kind of logic is that?



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5951 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11391 times:



Quoting OA412 (Reply 15):
overweight is automatically a POS???

Yes they are automatically considered a "Passenger Of Size"......what did you think he ment?  Smile



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User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4327 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11391 times:



Quoting D L X (Reply 5):
As a man who fits in his seat and cannot stand having someone spill into his, all I can say is BRAVO!!!!

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Quoting UA772IAD (Reply 12):
Suppose there is only one flight a day, is UA going to pay for their hotel to stay overnight hoping that the next day's flight isn't too full? Suppose they need to be on that specific flight for very specific reasons: a family/work emergency, a business trip, to get home/to something in time for work/school/a family obligation, etc.

Suppose the fat person just stopped eating so much, maybe the other 80% of us who aren't fat won't be inconvenienced.

Quoting United1 (Reply 14):
I agree that its an issue that needs to be handled very delicately

Why is someone else's lack of self control suddenly everyone else's issue that has to be "handled very delicately"?

The airline has no way of knowing if someone is fat and will take up two seats when the ticket is booked, HOWEVER, the fat person knows darn well they are going to have an issue fitting their XXX-Large carcass into an airline seat. So they book the ticket, show up at the airport, their body spills over into the seat next to them, and suddenly it's the airline's fault???

I'm sorry for the bad attitude, but I'm fed up with everyone else being inconvenienced because of someone's bad habits.



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User currently offlineUALFAson From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 730 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11361 times:

I think POS refers to "person of size" not "piece of xxxx"  Smile


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User currently offlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5595 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11336 times:

Quoting OA412 (Reply 15):
So someone who is overweight is automatically a POS??? What kind of logic is that?

In this instance a "POS" is a "Person Of Size" not the other definition.... (though yes, that's what first popped into my mind when I read it).

Quoting Greenair727 (Reply 6):
Who are these peers? What do AA/CO/DL (&NW)/US/B6..... do in these instances?

According the linked article:

Quote:
The policy brings practices at UAL Corp.’s United in line with those at the other five biggest U.S. carriers including Delta Air Lines Inc.

Tugg

[Edited 2009-04-15 15:48:56]


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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5951 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11323 times:



Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 17):
Quoting United1 (Reply 14):
I agree that its an issue that needs to be handled very delicately

Why is someone else's lack of self control suddenly everyone else's issue that has to be "handled very delicately"?

80% of the time your right it is something that the overweight person has some ability to control, the other 20% of the time there are medical issues that are largely out of that persons control.

Putting that aside for a second it's simply good manners to be tactful in certain situations, for example how would you go about telling your wife/girlefriend/significant other that the pants that they were wearing were maybe a tad unflattering in a certain anatomical location? Would you simply say that "Honey your ass looks gigantic in those pants..." or would you try to find some more delicate way of telling them. How would your wife/girlefriend/significant other react to you if you were blunt as a two by four or if you tried to be tactful?



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User currently offlineContrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11299 times:



Quoting United1 (Reply 10):
I am assuming that they will work it like WN does, the "POS" buys the extra seat ahead of the flight and if the flight goes out with empty seats it will be refunded to them.

How much better are you going to get with that policy. I work for B6 and tomorrow I'm going to check out our policy. I know a lot of people that work the gates and never heard any "bad" stories of "POS' situations so maybe we got a good one. I'll find out as now I'm curious. I do know however that have have flown transcontinental flights stuck next to a "POS" and its not fun but I was flying non-rev so who am I to complain. As for someone who is paying several hundred dollars, well I'm sorry but that person has a right to be pissed but "POS" of course have the right to travel but they will have to know that they will have to comply with airline policies going into there flight and if they are responsable they will notify the airline on the phone ahead of time. I really think WN's policy seems to be pretty fair. You gotta give and take on both sides it seems like to solve this issue.



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User currently offlineRedFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4327 posts, RR: 28
Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11260 times:



Quoting United1 (Reply 20):
it's simply good manners to be tactful in certain situations

Ok, I agree.

Quoting United1 (Reply 20):
Would you simply say that "Honey your ass looks gigantic in those pants..." or would you try to find some more delicate way of telling them.

Depends...if I want a night out with the boys I'll definitely say, "Honey, your ass looks ginormous in those pants!" Otherwise, if I want a little 'something', I'll be delicate and say, "Honey, those pants show your curves so nicely!"  Smile

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User currently offlineGeotrash From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11247 times:



Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 17):
Why is someone else's lack of self control suddenly everyone else's issue that has to be "handled very delicately"?

Happens all the time with religion, dogma and general ignorance. Why should I be inconvenienced because people don't read the consitution, science books and The Economist to understand what reality is? Instead, we all live with the results of imperfect people who often act stupidly...like me for instance. The world's an imperfect place. Welcome to Earth!

On topic: I support United here and think it's reasonable to charge the obese for an extra seat. United is taking reasonable steps to make sure the policy only needs to be invoked when absolutely necessary so their other paying passengers need not be unduely inconvenienced. Bravo.

On the other hand, I know plenty of obese people I'd be honored to sit beside. James Earl Jones comes to mind.

Dave


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5951 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11248 times:



Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 22):
Quoting United1 (Reply 20):
Would you simply say that "Honey your ass looks gigantic in those pants..." or would you try to find some more delicate way of telling them.

Depends...if I want a night out with the boys I'll definitely say, "Honey, your ass looks ginormous in those pants!" Otherwise, if I want a little 'something', I'll be delicate and say, "Honey, those pants show your curves so nicely!"

Excelent point......

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 22):
Ooorah, Devil Dog!

Ooorah, Marine



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User currently offlineUA772IAD From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 1730 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (5 years 5 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 11217 times:



Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 17):

Suppose the fat person just stopped eating so much, maybe the other 80% of us who aren't fat won't be inconvenienced.

That is not a realistic, nor practical solution. It is also not a very constructive comment.

Quoting United1 (Reply 20):
80% of the time your right it is something that the overweight person has some ability to control, the other 20% of the time there are medical issues that are largely out of that persons control.



Quoting United1 (Reply 20):
80% of the time your right it is something that the overweight person has some ability to control, the other 20% of the time there are medical issues that are largely out of that persons control.

Agreed.

Quoting RedFlyer (Reply 17):
Why is someone else's lack of self control suddenly everyone else's issue that has to be "handled very delicately"?

The airline has no way of knowing if someone is fat and will take up two seats when the ticket is booked, HOWEVER, the fat person knows darn well they are going to have an issue fitting their XXX-Large carcass into an airline seat. So they book the ticket, show up at the airport, their body spills over into the seat next to them, and suddenly it's the airline's fault???

Most persons of size, whether obese, tall, with a disablity, etc. that travel frequently are aware of the inconveniences they could impinge on others and plan accordingly- whether that's paying for a first/business class ticket, or the seat next to theirs. Obviously, the policy of buying an extra seat is acceptable, even to those who are obese because the policy is still in effect (or being implemented by other airlines) and they continue to fly.

There are those though, who don't care are don't travel frequently and don't take space into consideration, which is why the extra fare policy is implemented.

But since you are passionate and refer to someone's body as a 'carcass,' do you think they deserve poorer treatment than someone else because of their size? That is discrimination.

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 13):
WN does it all the time every day, of course not directly stating "you are to fat to fly" Simply, due to regulations and such you will need to purchase a 2nd seat etc etc etc.

No problem with that. It is fair, and the person in question probably appreciates having more space. Otherwise, we'd be seeing protests/embargoes by activists in this field against airlines enforcing such policies.

Does WN remove people from flights due to 'space considerations?' This is the tricky part... not the extra fare.


25 OA412 : Oh duh. Didn't even think of that. Thanks for the clarification.
26 United1 : No worries, I think WN is the only airline to refer to them as that and the only reason I remember that acronym is from old episodes of Airline...
27 N104UA : I totally agree last year I flew ORD-MSP in a Center seat in Y and an Obese woman was sitting in the aisle seat when I got there with the armrest up
28 Jetstar : Take if from someone who has had to sit next to a POS, and with his attitude when I kept pushing his arm off from my side of the seat, you can use the
29 AirframeAS : Except WN doesn't fly to ORD. There is a FAR out on this one?? Which one would it be?? Translation: "We think you're too fat to fly so we want you to
30 Atrude777 : No, WN does not. It is so rare we actually are booked 100% to capacity and everyone shows up, in my case when I did CSA we would require the POS to p
31 Flighty : This is the most humane possible policy. They are trying to eliminate an uncivilized experience, not cause one. All they are pointing out is, you can'
32 TheCommodore : Of course an overweight person should be made to purchase another ticket if they spread out onto the adjoining seat ! They are taking up more space th
33 Silentbob : When described as a safety protocol, you can do almost anything. Personally I don't think any passenger of size should be permitted in a middle or ai
34 SKORD : Well said, and DO NOT apologise! Why the hell should we all have to suffer for another person invading the space we paid for?
35 SLCPilot : I think it was on a Lynx Q-400 the other day I saw an interesting note on the "safety card". The note said window shades must be up for T/O and landin
36 AirframeAS : We know that already.. My point is that WN does not fly to ORD. Im not sure if UA flies to MDW but you already know that WN goes to MDW. Again, what
37 Halophila : I see both sides of the coin, but ultimately I come own on UA's side. The person sitting in the seat next to an obese passenger who can only occupy ha
38 MMEPHX : leaving aside the fact that airline seats in Y are hardly the epitome of comfort to start with, the article does note that the criteria for bringing i
39 Atrude777 : You stated that WN flying to MDW has NO barring effect on United at ORD and it most absolutely does. That is why the article mentioned, "it's peers i
40 Greenair727 : Regarding WN (the quote above), what if you were 100% booked and there wasn't an additional seat to buy, then what would happen?
41 Atrude777 : I believe we would oversell the flight. It had never, ever happened upon my shift however. So I can't speak with facts because it never happened to m
42 Zkpilot : bravo! well done UA! Nothing worse than sharing a seat you have paid for with someone else's bellyfatrolls, BO and sweat.
43 Chase : I respectfully disagree. When a person purchases an airline ticket, they are implying that they will fit in that seat. If they don't fit in one seat,
44 PanAm788 : No they don't. Thats why I end up having to sit by them. Some might, but I'd wager the vast majority don't. This move is really brilliant if they don
45 Sawb1980 : For United, I have been on quite a few flights lately that have been completely full. I am trying to get aisle seats for my trip next week and that i
46 UAORD2000 : Good for United. This is becoming more and more of a problem as flights become increasing booked to capacity. Kudos.
47 AirframeAS : Then you shouldn't say that WN is following the regulations when there isn't one.....
48 HAMAD : well, lets calculate it this way: IAD - PHX on UA: $300, two seats $600... well, First class? $1000 .... if you can afford it, just buy a first class
49 Post contains links Atrude777 : You didn't read what I pasted did you? As REGULATED under 14 CFR §382.38 Seating accommodations (i) "Carriers are not required to furnish more than
50 SA7700 : I'm overweight and I pay to fly Business-or First Class for my own comfort, as well the people around me. So hopefully, should we ever be on the same
51 HAMAD : Well Said!!!!! and especially if you are not permitted to board first and then get on board just to learn that the over head bins are full, because S
52 Post contains links SA7700 : Dear Zkpilot I always had some respect for your posts in this forum. It's a shame to come back and read such biased comments from a commercial airlin
53 CX777Fan : I fully support United in this and think it should be common practice world-wide. I hope more airlines adopt this measure. The policy is very sensible
54 Ryan1227 : Southwest has been doing this ever since I can remember, even if the plane's not full.
55 Zkpilot : Nothing to do with their appearance... If they can fit in their seat without encroaching onto mine and without sweating all over me then they can loo
56 Superfly : How about sitting the skinniest person next to the fattest person. That way if the fat person takes up a portion of the neighboring seat, the skinny
57 Enginebird : Well, how about sharing a seat with my shoulders then? I am not obese, but rather tall (6'5) and athletic and do not comfortably fit into an economy
58 EMB170 : Bravo UA. WN has had this policy IIRC for several years now. As someone who fits into his seat on an airplane (even on cramped RJs), I can't stand it
59 Oroka : I love these days how a person who is not obese is now 'skinny'.
60 PA515 : The thought occurs, if a POS purchased two seats would they get two meals? PA515
61 D L X : I can't speak for the two you're asking, but I personally am just as passionate about people who use up too much overhead space. I paid for my share
62 764 : I used to be obese until I finally realized that I was killing myself (literally) and lost some 75 pounds. So I know both sides of this argument. In t
63 Daviation : Since this happens to me frequently, I applaud United's policy. As I've stated before, I'm a large person (6'3"), but fairly slim, so I fit very nicel
64 D L X : Well short of everybody. That's simple. If they make everyone more uncomfortable by shrinking the seats, more people will not fly your airline. Shrin
65 ULMFlyer : I wonder if UA will enforce it. I was surprised to read that DL already has such a policy in place. Last time I flew with them (PIT-ATL), I got to my
66 CrimsonNL : I'm sure there are some cases among those where the folks really can't help it due to medicine use or whatever. But lets face it, at least 85% of thos
67 ABQopsHP : There is this misconception in America between rights and privileges. It is a privilege to fly not a given right. And you do not have a right to infri
68 Daviation : You also dont hear of people who are over 6ft tall demanding that airlines make seat pitch more accomodating for them. A tall person (such as myself)
69 Highflier92660 : As a tall (6' 4") but lean individual I silently cuss every time I end up in the fetal position on some aircraft with a 31" or under seat pitch. Over
70 Boeing747_600 : I dont like being seated next to an obese person spilling over into my seat any more than the next guy, but I'm afraid that a court will order all air
71 Dfanucci : What about folks who smell really, really bad because they refuse to take showers? Should they be forced to buy "buffer seats" next to them? What abou
72 D L X : No, they should be denied boarding until they fix their issue. If Southwest can deny boarding to a girl wearing too skimpy an outfit, they should cer
73 Scbriml : MESSAGE FROM THE MODERATORS I've had to delete numerous off-topic posts form this thread. To remind you, the topic under discussion is UA's new policy
74 Tugger : LOL this has been an issue for me in the past as I am fairly broad shouldered. It is no fun when two broad shouldered people sit next to each other i
75 D L X : In a deleted post, FrmrCAPCADET suggested "Why couldn't a few seats (like exit rows etc) have more leg room and/or more width." I actually think that'
76 Amax1977 : Question: If the person forced to buy an additional seat, then will he/she get the additional miles on his/her milleage plus for the additional seat t
77 M11Stephen : Kudos to UA for this. Between this and them adding life vests to their 757s I'm loving UA.
78 United1 : I'm not sure how all the airlines do it but think I remember someone mentioning that CO would give them the extra miles but the miles earned by the e
79 Jbernie : Until you show up at the airport the airline has not idea what size you are. Surprise I'm 4ft tall and weigh 80lbs or peekaboo I am 6ft 5, 450lbs and
80 AirframeAS : Finally!!! We have the regulation. Thank you. Now, that is a scary thought!!! But the question is, will the FA serve two or not?
81 Atrude777 : Say what? No, you made it quite clear this didn't exist, and you required I go out to search for this to prove my point, making it seem like you were
82 AirframeAS : Hey, I asked for the regulation.....
83 WROORD : How are they going to determine who is obese and who is not. Would they have some sort of fixture like for the carry on luggage? I was just stuck with
84 Atrude777 : WN uses the arm rest down on both sides of the same seat as UA is going to do also. This is going to be so cold hearted of me to say, but I was told
85 CXB77L : If that were true, airlines will no longer be able to remove a passenger from a flight for whatever reason. Last time I checked, there is no such "ri
86 EDICHC : No they dont, an airline only has the right to refuse carriage if a passenger breaks the terms and conditions of carriage issued with the ticket, suc
87 HSVXJ : As a formerly obese person (170 kilos) turned thin (65 kilos) who spent many years working as a CSA for the airlines, I know and have experienced the
88 RedFlyer : Good post. Too bad there aren't more people like you who are as considerate of others. And when it comes to their health just as conscientious as you
89 Smcmac32msn : NO! I'm 6'0" and 150 lbs. I feel cramped on a lot of flights these days just squeezing into the regular Y class seats. Just because we're skinny does
90 ArcrftLvr : This is not about complaining about others. Also, you're right, it's not the end of the world. However, it is extemely uncomfortable being pressed up
91 D L X : Economy plus does not have extra width.
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