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Is That A New Terminal They're Building In LAS  
User currently offlineContrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6479 times:

Just came back from LAS and looks like a new terminal is being built next too concourse D??If true, seems like bad timing do to the way the economy is effecting Las Vegas these days.I didn't see anyone working on it when I got in and left, did they stop construction?


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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6442 times:



Quoting Contrails15 (Thread starter):
Just came back from LAS and looks like a new terminal is being built next too concourse D??

Terminal 3.
http://www.walterpmoore.com/projects...airports/projectsAirportsVegas.php
http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=6975730
http://www.allbusiness.com/transport...sportation-services/4158733-1.html

Quoting Contrails15 (Thread starter):
If true, seems like bad timing do to the way the economy is effecting Las Vegas these days.

Well projects at other airports in the US are still being built. Just because the economy is not doing so well doesn't mean that it is not a good idea to go ahead and plan ahead and have projects already on the docket done. This way, once the economy gets better, those airport will already be prepared for growth. In some cases, the monies given by the federal government have a "use by" date, and if some of these airport projects were mothballed, they could potentially lose federal monies for the project(s) and have to reapply for those monies, which down the road may be harder to get.

Well there is a casualty of sorts due to the downturn in the economy. The proposed Ivanpah Airport between Jean and Primm (about 30 miles from LAS) has had its' proposed opening date moved to sometime in 2018 (provided it ever gets past the planning stages). This airport is supposed to be a reliever airport for LAS as once T-3 opens, the airport can handle 53.6 million passengers with very few problems, but they project that they would be forced to handle about 60 million passengers by the time Ivanpah is opened.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6426 times:

That's for international carriers only?..


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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6407 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 2):
That's for international carriers only?..

Not entirely, as six of the fourteen gates will have to ability to handle international flights in addition to domestic services. This will bring the total number of gates @ LAS that can handle international flights to ten (Only four of the eight gates in Terminal 2 can handle international flights.).


User currently offlineContrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 6411 times:

Well considering that the hotels are running way below capacity, condos are vacant and strip malls all over the area have no retail stores you can see why I would say bad timing. My airline B6 cut 2 flights to LAS and I'm sure others have too. Your right, can't blame the economy but if you saw what I saw with all the vacant lots with hundreds of homes now owned by the banks and condo towers only 25% full (MGM and Trump Towers) you could see why I would say bad timing. My info comes from my family and friends that live in Henderson, Green Valley and North Vegas all who have lived there from 10 to 25 years. Its really sad whats going on there and of course all over the US and world really.

I had no idea about the Ivanpah Airport. I'm going to look that up.



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User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1955 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6081 times:

There are ups and there are downs in the economy. Like everything else, time proves this. Personally, I think the timing could not be better for expanding LAS and the new terminal will be in a good position to handle the airports needs, when the time comes.

Don't feel that Las Vegas is dead. This town will rebound and the airport will be perfectly positioned to handle the traffic. Why?

Read Contrails15 comments...It is comments like this that give many others a perfect opportunity. Sales of homes have been at record levels for the past 30 days as people are snapping up these bank owned homes. Hotels? The rates are falling through the floor and this will simply mean that all of the folks who thought Vegas was getting too expensive, will come flooding back.

It is all cyclical, so don't turn the lights out on Vegas just yet!


User currently offlineSilentbob From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2176 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6028 times:

doing the work during a downturn is a great time to do it. Everything will be done and operational by the time it is needed. Far better to be ahead of the curve for a change than behind it.

User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5950 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5977 times:
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So, two things...

Do the folks at LAS intend on modernizing or refurbishing Concourses A and B?

What will happen to Terminal 2 once the new International terminal is complete and fully operational.

I don't doubt that once the economy gets back on its feet and the leisure market returns, someone will return with some sort of focus city or hub at LAS, besides WN. But I'm not placing my bets on US.


User currently offlineFloorrunner From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 259 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5907 times:

Doing the work is also a stimulus to the economy. The people that are working on the construction draw a salary from their employer. I would be hard pressed to find anyone that does not spend at least some portion of their salary in and around the Las Vegas area. Even if it is not a lot being spent it is something and every bit helps. If you look back over history when the economy was in a slump this was the way that it came back, by people gradually gaining more confidence in their spending habit. Sometimes it was a long and slow process, but it happens. It is going a lot slower this time than others because people are being more cautious in how they spend. More people want to get more value for their money. There are many other examples of this happening all around the country and not just in aviation related fields. Some industries are still hurting a lot right now, but those that learn to take care of themselves will bounce back. You will see a resurgence in quality customer service skills, not just delivering a product. Those that get this idea will survive through it.

User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5821 times:
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Are the runway works at LAS finished yet?


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User currently offlineContrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5537 times:

I couldn't agree more with Crownvic. I just recently bought a condo that is worth $500,000 and got it for $230,000 but thats only good for people like me that are looking to finally buy right now I'm 30 years old and only now can I afford to buy something and I'm using this as a future investment as I'm renting the place out cuz I live in NY. I love Vegas, always have. Last week was my first time in over a year and last time I was there the place was BOOMING. I cant believe the difference a year makes. This of course as I mentioned is everywhere but seeing the construction of the new terminal at LAS, I was so excited to see it.


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User currently offlineBlueFlyer From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4179 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5293 times:
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I think T2 is not going anywhere, if only because it is set to be one of the two monorail stops at the airport (the other being T3), to be in service in 2010 if memory serves me well (and if it doesn't, someone will correct me).

Just because the economy has hit a downturn doesn't mean that big projects should or can even be stopped. Financing packages may have been finalized well before the human waste hit the proverbial fan, and usually the money cannot simply be returned with a "thanks but no thanks we changed our mind." Moving forward, knowing that the economy does go through boom-bust cycles regularly, may not be just a smart choice (what with costs for everything from labor to supplies coming down), it may be the only choice.

Quoting Contrails15 (Reply 10):
Last week was my first time in over a year and last time I was there the place was BOOMING.

That the place was "booming" doesn't mean much per say. The question is, how much are people spending ? Quite by accident (I would have never done it willingly, not a fan of big crowds), I was in Las Vegas during the Nascar week-end, and I was put up in the best room money can buy at the Venetian (better rooms do exist, but cannot be rented), all for $400/night, which is nothing if a steal, as it cost twice as much on any week-end a year before.

I'm in Vegas pretty often. Week-ends look as busy as ever, weekdays do not. Anecdotal, but abundant evidence show people are not spending as much as they used to. Discounts on rooms, restaurants, gaming, attractions are all over the place. Rooms at Mandalay Bay can be had for what it cost to stop at the Circus Circus last summer, and you'll get restaurant coupons with that.

For people who have money and/or are willing to spend, now is the time to do it. Prices are inching up already.



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User currently offlineAADC10 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5063 times:

The Ivanpah Airport is dead for now. The need for it was based on growth continuing on a straight line, which of course will not happen. Tourism and the population will probably decline at least in the short term and slow the long term rate of growth.

Quoting Contrails15 (Reply 10):
I just recently bought a condo that is worth $500,000 and got it for $230,000

No, it is worth $230,000 because that is what it sold for, unless it was passed between family or friends below market value or won as a prize or something.

The bigger they are, the harder they fall and Vegas' fall is going to be hard.


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4987 times:



Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 11):
That the place was "booming" doesn't mean much per say. The question is, how much are people spending ? Quite by accident (I would have never done it willingly, not a fan of big crowds), I was in Las Vegas during the Nascar week-end, and I was put up in the best room money can buy at the Venetian (better rooms do exist, but cannot be rented), all for $400/night, which is nothing if a steal, as it cost twice as much on any week-end a year before.

I'm in Vegas pretty often. Week-ends look as busy as ever, weekdays do not. Anecdotal, but abundant evidence show people are not spending as much as they used to. Discounts on rooms, restaurants, gaming, attractions are all over the place. Rooms at Mandalay Bay can be had for what it cost to stop at the Circus Circus last summer, and you'll get restaurant coupons with that.

I've been out to Vegas twice in the last four months, and all four of my flights went out full. In fact, on my most recent trip three weeks ago, all of the LAS-ATL and LAS-CVG flights on the Monday I flew home were oversold (I was catching a 6:55am flight and the gate agents were announcing to the standby passengers that all of the flights were oversold until the next day.) and on some of them, they were trying to get volunteers to give up their seats and they'd put you up in hotel and the associated transportation and meal vouchers (Had I not had to be back at work the next morning, I would have taken them up on it.).

While the room rates are getting folks to come out, most folks aren't spending as much at the tables, in the restaurants, at shows, etc. The room offers are boondoggling; I haven't put a single dollar in a machine at a Harrah's property for nearly a year, and on certain dates (including Friday and Saturdays), I can get free rooms at some of the lower end properties. My most recent trip, I paid a whopping $19.06 a night at the Golden Gate on Fremont Street (I had already reserved a room there for a fall trip [Also at $19.06 a night.], but took a last minute [at least for me] trip out there and decided to stay there since it beat the room rate offer I had for Binion's.

Another thing to also consider in regards to LAS is the fact that US Airways over the last 6 months or so, has cut service to/from LAS to a number cities and all but eliminated US Airways Express service out of LAS (From what it looks like, SBA and FAT are the only cities to still have USX flights to LAS). US Airways/America West used to have a huge hub at LAS, but in the years following the merger, they've whittled the station down. Some of this can be attributed to new competition on their routes out of LAS, but while in some cases, they just had too many frequencies on some routes. The drop in US flights does help and at the same time hurt LAS.


User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4832 times:



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 1):
Well projects at other airports in the US are still being built. Just because the economy is not doing so well doesn't mean that it is not a good idea to go ahead and plan ahead and have projects already on the docket done.

I'd argue that now is actually the best time to complete these projects -- aside from the "economic stimulation", you're doing the projects while the overall volume is down so fewer flights and people to work around and fewer inconveniences.

In some segments, prices are falling due to surpluses of labor (i.e. people looking for work) and materials (i.e. stuff taking up space in warehouses) which means that the project may have a slightly easier time coming in somewhere near budget.

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 1):
In some cases, the monies given by the federal government have a "use by" date, and if some of these airport projects were mothballed, they could potentially lose federal monies for the project(s

In my experience, most state/federal funding has a expiration date attached to it. For example, when I worked for a state university in California, near the end of the fiscal year departments would go through a process informally called "Emergency Spending" -- figuring out the combination of products that would probably get used at some point in the future and would come the closest to completely exhausting the department's budget for the year. Anything unspent went away -- and in some cases it could have a negative impact on future years budgets ("Oh, you only spent 90% of your budget last year, therefore you don't nead that extra 10% this year")... and people wonder why CA is such a financial disaster.

It was not uncommon to see things like pallets of copier paper, or a few gross of ballpoint pens showing up near the end of the fiscal year.



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User currently offlineSpokemd From United States of America, joined May 2005, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4802 times:

There was a piece on National Public Radio (NPR) this morning about the new terminal at LAS. While it may seem like bad timing to be building a new terminal, the lower traffic at the airport makes some of the work easier to perform. The recession has made construction firms hungry for work and the bids have been coming in lower than expected. And finally they hope to have the work done for when the economy and passenger traffic improve.


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User currently offlineDbudd From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 228 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4598 times:

In case you guys wanted to see progress in the last few days..

http://visitinglas.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/t3.jpg

Dave
LAS


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5950 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 4364 times:
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Quoting Dbudd (Reply 16):
In case you guys wanted to see progress in the last few days..

That's pretty amazing considering that when I was at LAS last Feb., it was just cleared land.


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (5 years 8 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 4334 times:



Quoting SA7700 (Reply 9):
Are the runway works at LAS finished yet?

LAS 07R/25L was supposed to be re-opened on May 1st, but they were ahead of schedule and it appears that it will actually re-open sometime this week.

http://cms.mccarran.com/dsweb/Get/Document-259443


User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13549 posts, RR: 100
Reply 19, posted (5 years 8 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 4097 times:
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I'm with the crowd that believes now is the time to build infrastructure. Expand while the construction disruption does the least damage. Its not as if 14 gates is a huge expansion.

I would also like to see the monorail extended to LAX.  hyper 

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 1):
The proposed Ivanpah Airport between Jean and Primm (about 30 miles from LAS) has had its' proposed opening date moved to sometime in 2018 (provided it ever gets past the planning stages).

I'm not a fan of split airports. Look at IAD. Even with UA, the airport took over 15 years to gain full traction. Ivanpah would be better compared to ONT. Without cheap easy transportation to the strip... it will not get legs. Then, due to it being closer to LA, once there are enough casinos around Ivanpah... the strip will become like the old downtown Las Vegas. So holding off is best for now. (And I'm a huge fan of airport expansion!)

Quoting Contrails15 (Reply 4):
condos are vacant

Look at the overbuilding.

Quoting Crownvic (Reply 5):
Personally, I think the timing could not be better for expanding LAS and the new terminal will be in a good position to handle the airports needs, when the time comes.

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Quoting Crownvic (Reply 5):
The rates are falling through the floor and this will simply mean that all of the folks who thought Vegas was getting too expensive, will come flooding back.

This is progress... but between now and then this deflation will hurt quite a bit.  Sad

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User currently offlineContrails15 From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 1181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 8 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 3948 times:



Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 19):
I would also like to see the monorail extended to LAX.   

lets get the monorail running at 100% for more then two days before we give you your monorail to LAX.



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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13549 posts, RR: 100
Reply 21, posted (5 years 8 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3889 times:
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Quoting Contrails15 (Reply 20):
lets get the monorail running at 100% for more then two days before we give you your monorail to LAX.

Whoops! Typo. Monorail to LAS.  Wink I'm not sure I'd want to take it all the way to LAX.

Bummer its still that unreliable. But it should go to LAS as well as the casinos.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3555 times:

So is McCarran going to stay open after Ivanpah opens?

Because if that happens either one of two things will happen....

a) why the heck would anyone fly into Ivanpah when LAS is in the center of the action?
or
b) Ivanpah will become the center of the action and Las Vegas as we currently know it will become like North Las Vegas.

Like Lightsaber said, Ivanpah would be like IAD..... and LAS like DCA...


User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1524 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3443 times:



Quoting LV (Reply 22):
So is McCarran going to stay open after Ivanpah opens?

Because if that happens either one of two things will happen....

a) why the heck would anyone fly into Ivanpah when LAS is in the center of the action?
or
b) Ivanpah will become the center of the action and Las Vegas as we currently know it will become like North Las Vegas.

Ivanpah has been postponed indefinitely. There is no need for it now that traffic
is off so much. Im sure in 10years time they may look at it again.



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User currently offlineLV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2007 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3347 times:



Quoting GARUDAROD (Reply 23):
Ivanpah has been postponed indefinitely. There is no need for it now that traffic
is off so much. Im sure in 10years time they may look at it again.

Well, looking 20 years into the future, if Ivanpah ever happens, why would anyone want to fly into there if the action is still at the Strip and in McCarran's back yard basically..

But here is what I am really asking, is Ivanpah because of runways or terminals?
I was looking at Google maps satellite shot of LAS the other day and got to thinking... look how much room the Janet terminal and all the secure parking around it takes up. If they moved the Janet flights to Nellis, that would increase security and cut down on nosy conspiracy theorists... and then use that land to build another Terminal. Just looking at it it looks like there is some empty land south of the Janet Terminal... and it looks like there is some low rent apartments just west of there the aiport may be able to buy out as well... that would give plenty of room for a new terminal.


25 Srbmod : Good to know that I'm not the only one thinking that way. After all the Janet flights are on behalf of the government and the a/c are registered to t
26 NIKV69 : What happens when things correct and the place is busy again? Let's face it the airport needs to be expanded. Was just listening to liveatc.et and he
27 SurfandSnow : Like other major airports, LAS must be prepared for future growth despite the turbulent times (no pun intended) right now. I imagine Terminal 3 was fi
28 Post contains links LoneStarMike : The Las Vegas Sun had a really informative (and and of long) Q&A with Clark County's Aviatiion Director on Friday. Q&A: Randall Walker, Clark County a
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