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Man Faces Felony Charge For Twisting F/A Arm  
User currently offlineEghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2082 times:

Very well-written and amusing story.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/16/op...ion/16iht-edcohen.html?ref=opinion

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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7603 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2057 times:

Assuming that the passenger is telling the truth, then if he can not get to a toilet then the only other options are to stand there and throw up, prob over the FA or beverage cart or sit down and throw up there.

User currently offlineWumzi From Canada, joined Mar 2008, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2035 times:

I think his proper response at that point should have been,

"Miss, you have 60 seconds to decide whether I empty my bowels in my seat, in the aisle, or in one of those bathrooms. GO!"


User currently offlineStarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1126 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2016 times:

Here's a replacement headline:

Airline personnel ignore passenger in distress, then file overblown charges when he violates irrelevant rule.

There is a requirement for passengers to follow the crew's instructions, but the crew needs to listen to the passengers when they are in distress. Would the airline like to pay the charges to have the aircraft seat cleaned because their self-important F/A couldn't be bothered to listen?



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User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1972 times:

That story is very little fact almost purely conjecture. Everyone harshly judging the crew has no idea how it really happened. I've never met a FA who won't move the cart for someone needing the facilities in thier respective cabin.

User currently offlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 5589 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1878 times:



Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 4):
I've never met a FA who won't move the cart for someone needing the facilities in thier respective cabin.

Wow, I can't imagine why you have not seen this occur, I have seen it happen a lot. It appears fairly routine (on United and American the two carriers I fly the most). I have seen a kid bounce between the cart and First Class being denied passage by both to get to the bathroom, I have also had the same happen to me. I have always thought it was rude and wrong to do that to people. I understand that you can't just keep moving the cart for people because you have a job to do, but if you can't then you need to have an alternate available.


And yes, I have seen F/A's move the cart for people so no I am not casting the entire aspersions on all F/A's or anything like that. For myself I have learned to plan any trip to the bathroom so as to not get trapped by the cart service (before or after I use it). I also understand that there just isn't room to always let people pass to get back to their seat after using the bathroom (another reason that people stand in the aisle. And who likes to have someones rump in their lap as they try to squeeze by the passing cart.)

Tugg



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User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3826 posts, RR: 33
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 1851 times:



Quoting IAirAllie (Reply 4):
That story is very little fact almost purely conjecture.

Here's the original story as reported by the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

Also a link to other stories regarding this incident.

LoneStarMike


User currently offlineEghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1609 times:



Quoting Tugger (Reply 5):
Wow, I can't imagine why you have not seen this occur,

I have also had two experiences (once on Alitalia and once on United) where the Captain put on the fasten seat belt sign due turbulence and left it on for a couple of hours. When I finally got up anyway to go to the bathroom, the flight attendants in both cases criticized me and mad me feel as if I had violated sacrosanct rules.

Maybe they should pass around speciman jars for such emergencies.


User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1442 times:



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 7):
When I finally got up anyway to go to the bathroom, the flight attendants in both cases criticized me and mad me feel as if I had violated sacrosanct rules.

Per your Government...flight attendants are REQUIRED to say, "sir/ma'am the fasten seat belt sign is on" if the placard is illuminated. Period. No exceptions. Just like the exit row briefing...it is redundant and patronizing, yes, but failure to do so can...and HAS...resulted in hefty fines to be paid BY THE FLIGHT ATTENDANT. Going one step further, the F/A is prohibited from acting like s/he is condoning noncompliance, no matter what the circumstance. That's why we put on our poker faces when we have to do it....it is not personal (most of the time  Smile ).

I have been in situations were the FSB sign stayed on for a long time and 99% of the F/As will ask the FD when or if they will turn it off when we see customers squirming. Ultimately, its the PIC's call when to allow cabin movement. I know..it bites...but that is the background and it is just as awkward for the crew as it is for you all.


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