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USAirways At ORD Question  
User currently offline7e72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 5 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5361 times:

Good morning all...when i flew to PHX last week via ORD on United/USAirways, i noticed something that caught my attention. USAirways has gates F8 and F10 and then has a gate on the E concourse next to the NW/DL gates (i can't recall which E gate it was). Did they end up with the E gate as a result of the merger with America West? thanks and cheers!


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User currently offlineAvion826 From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5323 times:

I believe the gate on the E concourse originally belonged to America West, and the F gates were for the old USAir. They merged..and I guess since there isn't room for shuffling, kept the gates as is.

User currently offlineSLUAviator From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 357 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5253 times:

You are talking about E7. When I was furloughed as a ramper in T2 in 2005 at ORD, that was a NW gate. It was also used by UA once a night for the Privatair A319 to DUS and randomly as an overflow gate for us (Air Wisconsin/UAX). Every once in a while, we'd have a problem with a UAX plane and screw up UA's carefully planed DUS flight. Wow that made a lot of UA ramp managers hot. Working over there was a pain since the door locks were set up for NW and swiping our badges only got us a call from the ops center asking why we were trying to access a NW gate. If we entered the terminal from over there, we had to walk back to the E gates to get outside onto the ramp again.

Airways took over that gate sometime after September 05 (when I was furloughed) and now. Sorry, I don't know the exact reason. I know the city controls one gate at ORD--the rest being leased to the airlines-- and my guess is that is it. NW was probably under using it and Airways was happy to have the space and use it plenty after the merge. Someone told me that gate pays the city for individual departures. Airways uses it more, the city makes more. I have no idea if that is true or not.



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User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5235 times:

Yes...they inherited E9 (a shared CO gate) with the merger.

There are accusations of 'gate squatting' at ORD coming from all directions...it will be interesting to see if they hold on to it or just consolidate ops in F after CO moved into Terminal 1 with UA. My crystal ball says there will be an epic gate shuffle at ORD and, as all things Chicagoland, it will be politics, controversy and finger-pointing  Silly


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22992 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5177 times:



Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 3):
Yes...they inherited E9 (a shared CO gate) with the merger.

No, HP used an even numbered E gate (6, I think). The shuffle occurred in late 2006/early 2007 in order to get B6 a gate. B6 now uses E8. NW relinquished E7 to US so that US would have 3 gates. I assume that B6 didn't take E7 so that the US gates would be closer together.



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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5951 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5139 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
No, HP used an even numbered E gate (6, I think).

I always remembered HP using E8 & E10 after TW was taken over by AA, IIRC they didn't have leases on those gates they simply paid the city per use.



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User currently offlineKinglobjaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 5096 times:

I'm an ORD based US Airways flier and have boarded US/HP flights from F6, F8, F10 and F12 on the F side. (F6 is shared gate with UA Express).

On the E side, E7 is used most commonly now. E9 and E10 are also used from time to time.

E side is very convenient since E7 is feet away from when I use the CO/NW Club (soon to be Delta SkyClub), but F is a bit of a schlepp from that Club.

-Kinglobjaw



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User currently offline7e72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4957 times:

I know USAirways has had the F10 and F8 gates for almost 20 years at least...i recall landing on a flight from PHL and getting off at F8 or F10.


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User currently offlineHighliner2 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 696 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4749 times:

Not to get too off-topic but does anyone know where in T1 CO is going to go? Please see me it's not the old 'Ted Shed...'


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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2865 posts, RR: 30
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4695 times:

Given the substantial dehubbing of LAS, I can't imagine US will be keeping its ORD-LAS service too much longer. That would leave the airline just serving its primary hubs: PHL, CLT, and PHX. Perhaps US can then consolidate its ops at F8/F10, using either F6 or F12 in conjunction with United Express as needed.


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User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5951 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4643 times:



Quoting Highliner2 (Reply 8):
Not to get too off-topic but does anyone know where in T1 CO is going to go? Please see me it's not the old 'Ted Shed...'

No it looks like CO is going into the "low B" gates and keeping their ticketing/bagage claim in T2.

Quoting 7e72004 (Reply 7):
I know USAirways has had the F10 and F8 gates for almost 20 years at least...i recall landing on a flight from PHL and getting off at F8 or F10.

They have been in those gates since UA moved most of mainline out of T2 in 86/87 and into T1...US used to have F6, F6A, and F12 as well.



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User currently offlineKinglobjaw From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4597 times:



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 9):
Given the substantial dehubbing of LAS, I can't imagine US will be keeping its ORD-LAS service too much longer. That would leave the airline just serving its primary hubs: PHL, CLT, and PHX. Perhaps US can then consolidate its ops at F8/F10, using either F6 or F12 in conjunction with United Express as needed.

Actually US' presence on ORD-LAS has been affected the least by the LAS cuts. The only cut was the red-eye flight LAS-ORD. US kept all other flights; so a loss of 1 flight per direction. US also added an additional ORD-PHX at 5AM which is now daily and year round. US needs the additional gates.

Whoever said that there will be some serious gate shuffling at ORD is dead right! With Delta most definitely going to T2 they will prob want US' E gates.

I guess with the United cutbacks, maybe US can get F6 and F12 100% for their own usage, while UA consolidates it's ops in the remaining F gates.

There's also the matter of the two Air Canada gates. Air Canada could move to US' current E gates, some United Express from F6/F12 could then move to the Air Canada gates. Finally US could take over F6/F12 full time.

-Kinglobjaw



Kinglobjaw
User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4500 times:



Quoting Kinglobjaw (Reply 11):
There's also the matter of the two Air Canada gates. Air Canada could move to US' current E gates, some United Express from AC Zheijang Airlines (China)">F6/F12 could then move to the Air Canada gates. Finally US could take over AC Zheijang Airlines (China)">F6/F12 full time.

I would not be shocked to see AC move into T1 as well. Once the guppies are gone by fall...Lord knows there will be plenty of room for all the *A members. What will get really interesting is the fate of the DL/NW gates...depending on whoever moves in with the other. Add that to the aforementioned CO&US space rationalization...not to mention the space opening up with AA/AE 's pull down. Accusations of "gate squatting" at ORD have been flying around for a while...this could the tipping point that leads to all out war for squatters rights with the CAA and/or newly available space for B6,VX,F9,FL,WN (did i just say that?) and others to come in and establish more than a token presence.


User currently offlineBohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2699 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4391 times:



Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 3):
My crystal ball says there will be an epic gate shuffle at ORD and, as all things Chicagoland, it will be politics, controversy and finger-pointing

Not to mention a nominal contribution to Mayor Dailey's re-election campaign. (i.e. bribe)  dollarsign   dollarsign   dollarsign 


User currently offlineT5towbar From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 559 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4309 times:



Quoting Bohica (Reply 13):
Not to mention a nominal contribution to Mayor Dailey's re-election campaign. (i.e. bribe) dollarsign dollarsign dollarsign

...........That's the Blago, I mean Chicago way..........!



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User currently offlineUAORD2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 266 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4273 times:



Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 3):
after CO moved into Terminal 1 with UA.

Hasn't happened yet


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5951 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3785 times:



Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 12):
Accusations of "gate squatting" at ORD have been flying around for a while...this could the tipping point that leads to all out war for squatters rights with the CAA and/or newly available space for B6,VX,F9,FL,WN (did i just say that?) and others to come in and establish more than a token presence.

With the exception of possibly VX, I'm not sure why any of those airlines would want any more then a token, if any level amount of flights, at ORD. With the exception of VX and B6 every single one of those airlines operates about of MDW for probably quite a bit lower level of overhead costs. VX had an opportunity to fly in and out of ORD if they wanted however chose to not be willing to pay what they city was asking....

Also I'm not sure who besides VX has even been accusing anyone of gate-squating at ORD, even with the cutbacks UA at least exceeds by quite a bit the minimum gate usage requirement that the city has in place. I would have to look at AAs numbers to figure out if they still do but it's only 5 flights a day per gate so its likely they stilll do.

I think the biggest question out there is who is going to take DLs gates in L, I can think of three senarios that might work.

1. AA takes all 5 gates...
2. US moves it operations to L (AA might end up taking a gate as well in L) and UA takes over the rest of F and possibly E7 for UAX.
3. No one take over the gates in L and the city makes all 5 gates common use gates for the airlines at ORD that currently share gates with the legacies.



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User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3751 times:



Quoting UAORD2000 (Reply 15):
Hasn't happened yet

typo, i mean moves


User currently offlineHighliner2 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 696 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3638 times:

Why not move CO down a few spots E2, E3? Seems like it would be much more convenient. Maybe move AC to the low B gates since they're ticketing counters are in T1 correct?


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User currently offlineApodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4272 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3619 times:



Quoting United1 (Reply 16):

1. AA takes all 5 gates...
2. US moves it operations to L (AA might end up taking a gate as well in L) and UA takes over the rest of F and possibly E7 for UAX.
3. No one take over the gates in L and the city makes all 5 gates common use gates for the airlines at ORD that currently share gates with the legacies.

I don't see option 2 happening because of the codeshare which will make connections a PITA. (Although they already are in LAX)

Option 3 makes no sense either, since the only airline in ORD at the moment that shares a gate with a Legacy is AS and they are already in L, aside from International Carriers, which will stay put with the Codeshares in place. Anyone one else operating domestically I believe is in Terminal 5.

Given AA's financial woes, taking a lease on even more gates, which will cost more money and they aren't in a position to expand, I doubt option 1 will happen either.

So here is what I think will happen. B6 will move from their one gate in E and expand slightly overy in L, probably with two or three gates. Then the City will finally have their gate space for VX, and they come in with flying colors.

It has been suggested that CO would move to 1 keeping Check in and Baggage claim in 2. Even though UA does this for express flights in reverse, I still think the better play for them would be to move check in and baggage claim to 1, and then take over the Banana Peel (B19-B22, which give CO four mainline gates and 2 RJ gates, perfect for their ORD operation). I am not sure how many gates the combined DL ends up with on E, but I am thinking after all this, something like 8 or 9.


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5951 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3580 times:



Quoting Apodino (Reply 19):
Option 3 makes no sense either, since the only airline in ORD at the moment that shares a gate with a Legacy is AS and they are already in L

I thought Spirit was still in with DL?

Quoting Apodino (Reply 19):
It has been suggested that CO would move to 1 keeping Check in and Baggage claim in 2. Even though UA does this for express flights in reverse, I still think the better play for them would be to move check in and baggage claim to 1, and then take over the Banana Peel (B19-B22, which give CO four mainline gates and 2 RJ gates, perfect for their ORD operation)

Except for the small problem that UA has no room for them to put check in desks into T1...that's why the plan that keeps being brought up involves giving them the low B gates and keeping ticketing and baggage in T2. Also CO doesn't really need 4 mainline and 2 RJ gates, they currently only use 4 gates for their entire 23 flight ORD operation. (15 Mainline and 8 express flights)

Quoting Apodino (Reply 19):
So here is what I think will happen. B6 will move from their one gate in E and expand slightly overy in L, probably with two or three gates. Then the City will finally have their gate space for VX, and they come in with flying colors.

The issue with VX had with getting gates of their own, beside the fact that their were none available, was that they wanted two gates for an 8 flight operation which breaks the city's rules on gate utilization. The same issue happens with B6 getting 3 gates, I'm not sure they can double the amount of flights they operate out of ORD and do it profitabley as with 3 gates they at a minimum need 15 daily flights. My thought with giving the city 5 common use gates is its lets AS, B6, VX and Spirit operate a smaller schedule out of ORD and will let them grow as the market they build in Chicago allows them too.

Quoting Apodino (Reply 19):
I am not sure how many gates the combined DL ends up with on E, but I am thinking after all this, something like 8 or 9.

Assuming that no one else besides CO moves 8...NW & CO have 4 gates each on E. 8 is realy about all that DL needs at ORD with their current schedule, actualy they could do it with less then that if they needed too.

Quoting Apodino (Reply 19):
I don't see option 2 happening because of the codeshare which will make connections a PITA. (Although they already are in LAX)

true, I suppose they could take over E6 and consolidate on E6, E8, E10 with the partial use of E12 were only talking about 23 flights a day so its not a huge operation out of ORD..



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User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 months 20 hours ago) and read 3420 times:



Quoting United1 (Reply 20):
The issue with VX had with getting gates of their own, beside the fact that their were none available, was that they wanted two gates for an 8 flight operation which breaks the city's rules on gate utilization. The same issue happens with B6 getting 3 gates, I'm not sure they can double the amount of flights they operate out of ORD and do it profitabley as with 3 gates they at a minimum need 15 daily flights. My thought with giving the city 5 common use gates is its lets AS, B6, VX and Spirit operate a smaller schedule out of ORD and will let them grow as the market they build in Chicago allows them too.

Good point. Don't you all agree though that the bottom line is, for the first time in recent memory, ORD will have a surplus of gate space? I am seeing allot more unused gates in airports I transit...some more than others...but to have a surplus at ORD would have been unthinkable just 24 months ago.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22992 posts, RR: 20
Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 months 9 hours ago) and read 3272 times:



Quoting Apodino (Reply 19):
B6 will move from their one gate in E and expand slightly overy in L, probably with two or three gates. Then the City will finally have their gate space for VX, and they come in with flying colors.


AA is interested in the old DL gates that can handle widebodies. I can see B6 with 3, 5, and 7 and AA with 9 and 10 (or perhaps B6 with 1, 3, and 5 and AA with 7, 9, and 10; I believe 7 can take a 763).

Quoting United1 (Reply 20):
I thought Spirit was still in with DL?

They are, and I expect they'll move over to E with DL.

Quoting United1 (Reply 20):
Except for the small problem that UA has no room for them to put check in desks into T1...

...which is the same reason that AC won't move to T-1 (in fact, I doubt they'll move at all. They probably have the best gates in T-2 now.



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User currently offlineMidway7 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 months 9 hours ago) and read 3235 times:

Back in the day, AC operated for a LONG time out of gate G1. When AA came in and slowly took over the G concourse, AC held out for quite some time. I know having a close in gate location was important to them. I wonder if they will feel the same way about being shuffled around the E or F concourses. Of course, times were a lot different back then. Airlines probably do not base decisions on those types of factors anymore.

I see AA taking the Delta L gates. I think having control over those gates and inhibiting other competitors from coming in will be enough of an incentive for them, even if the Real Estate does not get too much use. Besides, when the economy improves, taking advantage of this type of opportunity may prove to be a good move.

Midway 7


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