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DL To End ATL - KWI  
User currently offlineSuper80 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 148 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 12904 times:

Delta will end its ATL-KWI service on June 30 Eastbound and July 2 for the Westbound flight.

the freed up planes will come in handy during the Summer season.

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User currently offlineCokePopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1187 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 12897 times:

This flight should be moved not canceled. JFK-KWI-JFK

User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 12846 times:



Quoting CokePopper (Reply 1):
This flight should be moved not canceled. JFK-KWI-JFK

I doubt it would do much better there. They already have KUwait Airways flying it and there isn't enough feed into JFK for the flight.



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User currently offlineDescendVia From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 12846 times:



Quoting Lexy (Reply 2):

I thought that at first but then again people might like a direct flight without having to stop in LHR.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 12850 times:

Let the route/planning department bashing begin...  duck 


What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8419 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 12728 times:
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Quoting Super80 (Thread starter):
This flight should be moved not canceled. JFK-KWI-JFK

Kuwait Airways and the Europeans will protect the JFK to middle east market.

Quoting Super80 (Thread starter):
Delta will end its ATL-KWI service on June 30 Eastbound and July 2 for the Westbound flight.

the freed up planes will come in handy during the Summer season

ITs about Dubai, Dubai and Dubai.


User currently offlineFlyMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 12643 times:

Not a huge surprise to me. It will be interesting to see what they do with the aircraft freed up.


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16883 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 12587 times:



Quoting CokePopper (Reply 1):
This flight should be moved not canceled. JFK-KWI-JFK

No way, if DL couldn't make it work from ATL they sure as heck are not going to make it work from JFK. There's a natural connection from the Southeastern US and Kuwait because of the various Government contractors involved in Iraq, whether it's KBR in Houston or Blackwater in North Carolina. You also have Central Command in Tampa, the 3rd Infantry Division in Fort Stewart and Fort Benning Georgia.



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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4102 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 12565 times:



Quoting FlyMD (Reply 6):
Not a huge surprise to me. It will be interesting to see what they do with the aircraft freed up.

Try SLC-LHR!  duck 



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User currently offlineTheGov From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 417 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 12418 times:

Or how about:

MEM-CDG

or

MEM-LHR  duck 



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User currently offlineFlavio340 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 12139 times:

MEM-NRT, 3x to 4x weekly!!! No-doubt, most likely on the off days of the second ATL-NRT.

User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 12128 times:



Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 4):
Let the route/planning department bashing begin...

To be honest with you, it was a bit of a poor move. Obviously in retaliation to UA's announcement of IAD-DXB, the route department perhaps should have done a little research before jumping into this one. If I remember right, wasn't ATL-KWI announced the same day as IAD-DXB? KWI was oversaturated pax-wise with DL's 4x weekly service.

I'd guess this 777 to possibly tap into another market in the Middle East. Maybe another 4x weekly service to DXB, AUH, or DOH/BAH.



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 12077 times:



Quoting Evan767 (Reply 11):

From what I've heard, sales in J were pretty flat which is what pays for these very long flights. Not to mention the less than stellar load factor overall.



What gets measured gets done.
User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7682 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 12020 times:

DL gave a good stab at the market, but it didnt play out the way they wanted to and thats ok. They tried, but KWI is very much a niche market and its better served out of a place like DC vs. Atlanta.

The good news is that now they have a 777 free for better use. I think it could be best used for an African market. ATL-LOS might be a good canidate.



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User currently onlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5300 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 11972 times:



Quoting Evan767 (Reply 11):
Obviously in retaliation to UA's announcement of IAD-DXB

I simply cannot believe that an airline would announce such a route to retaliate. You retaliate by announcing a domestic route that will hurt your competitor but to tie up a scarce 777 to fly it on a route as long as ATL-KWI is not something airlines do simply to retaliate against a competitor. I simply see ATL-KWI as an addition to a growing Mid East network that simply didn't pan out.

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 11):
the route department perhaps should have done a little research before jumping into this one.

Whoever said they didn't?



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User currently offlineFreequentFlier From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 901 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 11881 times:

A big win for UA as they are now the sole US carrier flying to KWI.

User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1134 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 11312 times:

[quote=FreequentFlier,reply=15]A big win for UA as they are now the sole US carrier flying to KWI.


DL should find some better hotspots for the adventurous like BEY and SDA
 Smile


User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 11265 times:



Quoting OA412 (Reply 14):
simply cannot believe that an airline would announce such a route to retaliate. You retaliate by announcing a domestic route that will hurt your competitor but to tie up a scarce 777 to fly it on a route as long as ATL-KWI is not something airlines do simply to retaliate against a competitor. I simply see ATL-KWI as an addition to a growing Mid East network that simply didn't pan out.

Just from my observations. Like I said in Reply 11, "If I remember right, wasn't ATL-KWI announced the same day as IAD-DXB?" KWI loads were disastrous. That 777 could have been used to many better markets.

And yes, I agree with you. It's ridiculous for an airline to tie up such a valued aircraft for a costly retaliation. But I stand by my belief. Delta retaliated, the route failed a few months later, lesson learned. Also, I believe the announcement to serve KWI came at a time when the economy was doing well and oil was through the roof. So while retaliation may not have been the whole story, I definitely believe it was part of it.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 14):
Quoting Evan767 (Reply 11):
the route department perhaps should have done a little research before jumping into this one.

Whoever said they didn't?

They did. That post reeked of sarcasm and over exaggeration.



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineAeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 3011 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 10946 times:



Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 8):
Try SLC-LHR!

Don't laugh! It just might happen!

Aeroflot777


User currently offlineAzncsa4qf744er From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 10676 times:



Quoting Evan767 (Reply 17):
And yes, I agree with you. It's ridiculous for an airline to tie up such a valued aircraft for a costly retaliation. But I stand by my belief. Delta retaliated, the route failed a few months later, lesson learned.

DL trying to get back at UA for selling them the NYC-LON route just weeks or days before Open Skies announcement?


User currently offlineDLRESAGNT From Canada, joined Aug 2008, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 10443 times:

Not surprising, the loads looked very light when I checked them today...oh well.

User currently offlineMudboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1167 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week ago) and read 10152 times:

How about ATL or MEM to SYD? Or am I thinking too big, could a 777 LR have the range for that?

User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15778 posts, RR: 27
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 1 week ago) and read 10110 times:



Quoting Mudboy (Reply 21):
Or am I thinking too big, could a 777 LR have the range for that?

Doesn't matter, there is no market there anyway. Delta is starting ATL-LAX-SYD though. I heard that well over 50% of traffic between the US and Australia is based in California.



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User currently offlineDirectorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1697 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 9761 times:

Perhaps KWI would work better with a 767 out of JFK? Less capacity, although the economics probably favour the 777. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if there's going to be any O&D on a route from KWI to the USA, then it would probably be NYC.
I suppose DL would want to deploy the 777 elsewhere, all of the DL know-howers and old-timers are always thinking up of potential routes.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3108 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8667 times:

I was thinking BEY.....or MEM-NRT..


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25 Ilanbwoy : i think the freed up 777 will end up on the atl/lhr route for the summer. This route does quite well during the summer. After that its anybodys guess.
26 LAXdude1023 : Unfortunately it does happen. And typically the retailiating airline is the one who loses. Absolutely. DL doesnt have enough 777's to where they can
27 WorldTraveler : DL did announce ATL-KWI shortly after UA announced ATL-DXB but it would be a stretch to assume it is retaliation. DL could have been looking at KWI fo
28 MAH4546 : BEY-U.S. is not allowed.
29 OA412 : Wasn't it announced on here that ATL-LOS is indeed being upgraded to a 777? I agree. After all we see it all the time. I'm just a little hesitant to
30 WorldTraveler : Someone cited a source that quoted a government official from Nigeria but I think I'd like to see it from a DL source before believing. We see what w
31 Evan767 : I thought I read something about the ban on BEY-U.S. being lifted sometime last year under President Bush. Are you sure about this?
32 DiscoverCSG : If I'm not mistaken, the 767 doesn't have the range for this route, at least not with meaningful westbound loads.
33 OA412 : Of course a company will never come out and say it but, there have been several routes announced over the years that could have been nothing but reta
34 USAirALB : The ban was lifted 2 years ago...I found this article on wikipedia... On June 6, 2007, U.S. President Bush lifted a ban on air traffic to Lebanon impo
35 OA412 : Once things begin to normalize, I definitely see JFK-BEY as a good route for DL.
36 STT757 : UA's JFK-HKG is a classic example, announced hastily after CO announced EWR-HKG.
37 Transpac787 : IAD-DXB Given how IAD-KWI has been one of UA's most consistently highest-yielding routes given its huge number of beltway contracts to the Middle Eas
38 Nickofatlanta : Also TLV, CAI and IST (if you consider Turkey to be part of the Middle-East).
39 SurfandSnow : Linking Atlanta with Kuwait always seemed like a bit of a stretch to me. ATL-DXB is logical as Dubai is the premier Middle Eastern hub/gateway to Indi
40 BA : My friend next week is flying on DL's JFK-AMM flight and then connecting on MEA's evening AMM-BEY flight. There is great potential for flights betwee
41 Panamair : I don't know if the MEA flight still exists but before AMM, DL used to interline many passengers to BEY through its JFK-IST flight; there was a perfe
42 EXAAUADL : UA probably has the contract for those companies. They were first into KWI.
43 BA : It still exists and is in fact a much much better connection than JFK-AMM-BEY. While the outbound (JFK-AMM-BEY) connection time is only 1 hour 25 min
44 BA : DL just opened a ticket office in Beirut. It was announced in Lebanese newspapers a few days ago. I'm in Beirut right now, so if I have time, I'll che
45 777STL : MEM to SYD? You're kidding right? I don't think DL's 77Ls have the range to effectively run ATL-SYD as DL didn't take the optional fuel tanks(someone
46 WorldTraveler : Indeed. I suspect that is also why DL is moving slowly in opening up some of the new African markets. If they are dependent on a couple (or even one)
47 Gokmengs : Like others I thought US-BEY wasn't allowed, but if what you guys say is true and its allowed I would say its probably the only long haul DL can launc
48 Directorguy : TLV, CAI, IST are served as someone mentioned, not to mention AF is very big in places like CAI, BEY and DXB.
49 OA412 : I'm actually quite surprised that DL has not yet announced JFK-CMN on a 757. It seems like a great route. I could also see JFK-ALG working at some po
50 WorldTraveler : It is flown by a partner and also a valuable MRO customer. I mean a very valuable MRO customer. DL probably makes more money from Royal Air Maroc tha
51 OA412 : Ah, OK. I was aware that the route was being flown by a DL partner but I wasn't aware that DL does maintenance for them. You're right, it does make s
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