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User currently offlineCAMPBELL From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 27 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8495 times:

Anyone know when United pulled out of Atlanta after deregulation. I know that United was not flying to Atlanta when the midfield terminal opened in September 1980. I'm thinking they stopped service sometime in 1979 then came back in 1984.

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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8440 times:

It was definitely sometime before the 11/15/79 edition of the Official Airline Guide came out, as they were not listed as serving ATL at that time. The photo database has UA photos @ ATL as late as July 1978. The 2/15/85 edition of the OAG shows them back @ ATL (Service to ORD, DEN, and HSV using 721s and 722s.).

http://www.departedflights.com/ATL79intro.html
http://www.departedflights.com/ATL85intro.html

Perhaps someone has access to the OAG editions from July 1978 until the November 15, 1979 can give us the exact date they dropped ATL and possibly the exact date they returned to ATL.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8098 times:

Wasn't United along with several other airlines a rather large player in Atlanta back then? (pre 1978).


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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8087 times:



Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 2):
Wasn't United along with several other airlines a rather large player in Atlanta back then? (pre 1978).

Here's a glimpse of their operations @ ATL circa June 1974:

http://www.departedflights.com/ATL74intro.html

Service to the following cities:

AVL
BHM
BUF
CRW
CLE
FLL
JAX
MIA
PHF
LGA
ORF
PIT
ROC
TPA
DCA
PBI


User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8042 times:

I seem to recall reading a piece in a trade magazine (ATW) or industry rag like 'Airliners' that UAL left ATL as a combination of factors: protest over the costs involved with the Midfield terminal, uneasiness with its then revolutionary design and finally increased competition on its routes inherited from Capital with the CAB sunset.

Anyone else recall that?


User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3861 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7987 times:

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 1):
It was definitely sometime before the 11/15/79 edition of the Official Airline Guide came out, as they were not listed as serving ATL at that time.

I think it must have been right before 11/15/79 that they pulled out of ATL. I've only flown UA once and it was in mid-October 1979 (when I was in college) and it was a flight from ORF to ATL, where I connected to an EA flight to DFW.

I still remember that flight, because it was a 5:25 pm departure out of ORF and I remember when my friend pulled into the airport at ORF and got the parking receipt it was stamped 5:07 pm. I had to haul @ss to cach that plane, but I did.

edited to add - the last timetable for UA in the 1970's was Oct. 28, 1979. Link to timetable images. I'll bet that was when the ATL service was dropped.

LoneStarMike

[Edited 2009-04-19 11:51:51]

User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7838 times:



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 3):

Thanks for that! I use to browse old ramp shots of ATL and saw tons of United and Piedmont a/c on the ground. I think at one point or another, ATL had always been an important transfer point for anyone that operated a meaningful Southeastern operation.

--------------------------------------

I love threads like these. It just goes to show much much the climate of aviation changes overtime. 1985 comes to mind when DL grew it's operations in CVG almost overnight. Anyway have any indications of why UA cut ATL out of their network?



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User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7361 times:

That's interesting that UA had questions about the design of the midfield terminal at ATL, yet it's terminal at ORD is a smaller version of the midfield terminal, with the B concourse on the back side of the terminal and then C as a separate building accessible underground from the terminal.

User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25871 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7160 times:



Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 6):
I use to browse old ramp shots of ATL and saw tons of United and Piedmont a/c on the ground.

Four UA 727s at ATL in 1976.


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User currently offlineTAN FLYR From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7111 times:

The cutting of ATL was also part of the plan to cut out a lot of short haul flying. I believe it was April of 1980 when the CLE hub was cut..and probaly significant ops from PIT between Oct.70 and April of 1980.

UA wanted to "reduce costs" and enter "new markets"..ie PHX, and others that were not part of their CAB approved routes. Considering that interest rates were in the teens, I sure they did not want to go into more debt to acquire more aircraft, so cutting a lot of short to mid length routes freed up enough planes to reallocate for those new cites under de-regulation signed in 1978 by Pres. Carter.


User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6985 times:



Quoting Ckfred (Reply 7):
That's interesting that UA had questions about the design of the midfield terminal at ATL, yet it's terminal at ORD is a smaller version of the midfield terminal, with the B concourse on the back side of the terminal and then C as a separate building accessible underground from the terminal.

And was opened years after the ATL midfield terminal. I was a kid when it opened....but it was considered WAY out of the box thinking back in 1980.


User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6912 times:



Quoting CAMPBELL (Thread starter):

According to the excellent site oldterminals.topcities.com, UA pulled out of ATL around 1978 to focus their Southern presence on MEM. DL picked up the former UA gates, and many others at the old terminal, but in the end it still wasn't enough.



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User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2630 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6798 times:



Quoting ItalianFlyer (Reply 4):
Anyone else recall that?

Yes, and I thought they had lost their minds. It wasn't as big a surprise when they re-appeared on the scene. ATL just didn't seem right without them.( But then, ATL hasn't seemed right without CA, EA,PI,SO,TW,PA,BN and now NW---so go figya.)

UA did its fair share out of ATL back in the day. In the early sixties right after the merger, they didn't skip a beat. There was 720 jet service, and eventually Caravelles. Viscounts and DC-6Bs galore. By the mid-seventies they were really 'crankin. 721s and 722s, DC-10's, etc.



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User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2481 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 6652 times:
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I have UA timetable Sept '78 with ATL, Oct 28,1979 no ATL and Apr 1984 no ATL and July 1, 1984 with ATL.


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User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3861 posts, RR: 34
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 6451 times:



Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 13):
Apr 1984 no ATL and July 1, 1984 with ATL.

And here's a United Airlines June 1, 1984 route map from departedflights.com that shows ATL-ORD and ATL-DEN.

LoneStarMike


User currently offlineJETnyc From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 108 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6253 times:

I rember flying to ATL on UA back in the 70's trip a to MOB with that
stop in ATL didn't even have to change planes...


User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6896 posts, RR: 7
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6208 times:



Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 5):
a flight from ORF to ATL

10/79 OAG shows four UA nonstops and a one-stop ORF to ATL, all to end after 27 Oct.


User currently offline28L28L From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 459 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6198 times:

The 5 Sep 79 UA timetable had ATL to CAK, CRW, CLE, ORF, ROC and PHF

User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2255 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6009 times:

According to the excellent book "A Dream Takes Flight", by Betsy Braden and Paul Hagan, UA was assigned 14 gates on the D Concourse, when gates for the new midfield terminal were allocated. UA subsequently exchanged these gates with Southern - SO had been allocated 12 gates at the south end of the C Concourse.

UA pulled out of ATL before the midfield terminal opened, and the gates they had planned to use on the C Concourse were ultimately used by Eastern.

Veering off topic, anyone who is interested in the development of ATL shoud DEFINITELY buy a copy of "A Dream Takes Flight". This book describes the history of ATL, from its inception in the 1920s until the midfield terminal opened in 1980. The book has architects' plans for all the different designs seriously considered for the midfield terminal, including one that had a road where the underground subway / walkway between concourses is now, and the halves of each concourse separated by parking garages!



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User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6844 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5924 times:

UA had a rather interesting presence at ATL during the 1990s. Anyone remember SFO-ATL being operated by 733/735?


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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5879 times:



Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 19):
Anyone remember SFO-ATL being operated by 733/735?

That was actually around until a few years ago.

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 18):
According to the excellent book "A Dream Takes Flight", by Betsy Braden and Paul Hagan, UA was assigned 14 gates on the D Concourse, when gates for the new midfield terminal were allocated. UA subsequently exchanged these gates with Southern - SO had been allocated 12 gates at the south end of the C Concourse. UA pulled out of ATL before the midfield terminal opened, and the gates they had planned to use on the C Concourse were ultimately used by Eastern.

I guess that explains the origins of the ramp level boarding area at that end, as Southern had their fleet of Metros, and I guess they would have boarded those flights from there. Considering how many gates UA was supposed to have, that definitely would have kept some airlines from starting service to ATL had they not pulled out.


User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2255 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5858 times:



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 20):
Considering how many gates UA was supposed to have, that definitely would have kept some airlines from starting service to ATL had they not pulled out.

Southern / Republic's and Piedmont's decision to reduce their ATL flights after deregulation helped, too. When the midfield terminal was designed, Concourse D's main occupants would have been SO and PI, with a few gates for Northwest, Braniff, Frontier, and TWA. Pullbacks by SO / RC and PI, and TWA's suspension of flights to ATL after deregulation, freed up gates for airlines like Ozark that added ATL post-deregulation.



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User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6844 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5853 times:



Quoting Srbmod (Reply 20):
That was actually around until a few years ago.

With a 733/735? A few years ago I would have thought the route would have been a 319/320?



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User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2481 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5806 times:
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Quoting JETnyc (Reply 15):
rember flying to ATL on UA back in the 70's trip a to MOB with that
stop in ATL didn't even have to change planes...

Only place UA served with regular schedules on Gulf Coast other than Florida anytime in 1970s was MSY. They didn't service MOB.



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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6896 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5733 times:



Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 22):
A few years ago I would have thought the route would have been a 319/320?

No doubt it was. But it's true, when UA started SFO-ATL in 9/93 it did show as a 733 (which for all I know maybe meant 735).


25 Sparky35805 : United served MOB untill the early 70s.Several of the MOB employees transferred here to HSV when MOB closed in about 1972.ATL was one of the few Capit
26 MtnWest1979 : OK, I stand ( sit) corrected. Must've left pre 9/11/72, earliest 1970s tt that I have. Thank you for the info.
27 Sparky35805 : My OAG was from April 1971.September 1972,UA was gone from MOB.One of the agents started with NA and went to Capital.He had some tales about NAs Lodes
28 ImperialEagle : TW ops a mini-hub out of ATL in the early-mid 1990's! VJ killed 'em.
29 MtnWest1979 : As I was sitting watching TV, I remembered I had my 1970 tts somewhere else and looked at UA 7-1-70 and UA had 2 flights from MOB. 0810 to BHM-ATL-ORF
30 Gr8SlvrFlt : Throughout this period, United maintained a large reservations office in Atlanta. In the timespan when they did not serve ATL, rez employees had to dr
31 WA707atMSP : TWA served ATL as a stop on their STL-BNA-ATL-TPA-MIA route, which was awarded in 1958. STL-BNA-ATL was previously an EA monopoly. TWA was never very
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