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CX Investigates Claim Couple Had Sex In Crew Rest  
User currently offlineSInGAPORE_AIR From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13735 posts, RR: 19
Posted (5 years 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 35411 times:

Cathay investigates claim couple used crew rest area for sex
Simon Parry
South China Morning Post

Cathay Pacific is investigating claims that an amorous couple in first class were allowed to use the crew rest area to join the "mile-high club" on a flight from Toronto to Hong Kong.

The passenger, a doctor, has posted pictures of himself lying on the bunk - used by crew to rest between shifts on long flights - on a detailed blog about his "amorous adventure" on the 15-hour flight on his way home from a Harvard University reunion.

An airline spokeswoman said: "We are looking into the case. It is a company policy that the cabin crew and cockpit crew rest bunks can only be used by operating crew and not for any staff or passengers."

More at the South China Morning Post (subscription unfortunately)

The alleged incident occurred in this trip report. It's a good trip report too.


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User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3613 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 35183 times:

Funny that the airline is taking this so seriously. The investigation won't be long.

The blogger was quite obviously an aviation enthusiast (judging by the amount of pictures he took and the details of the descriptions) and after the flight requested the crew to take a peek at the crew rest area, where he had them took a picture of him lying on the bunk. From there he made up a lovely little Mile High story to impress his Harvard buddies (There are chances that his claim of being a Harvard graduate going for his third year reunion are also false, as apparently there are no such things as third year reunions for Harvard grads...).

I find it quite funny that this will all blow up in his face and that he will publicly be proved a liar for trying to impress people. Just when you thought you could say anything you wanted on the internet...  Big grin
It's a shame the company has to go to that extent to prove him wrong, a few cabin and cockpit crews will probably have to be bothered with being asked questions on their time off due to this investigation.

Fact is: CX cabin or cockpit crew would never EVER offer a pax to use the crew rest bunks for his personal 'enjoyment', much less provide him/them with 'intimity', no matter how important said pax is...



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User currently offlineKappel From Suriname, joined Jul 2005, 3533 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 35095 times:

That's what you get for bragging on the internet. I read the report before and found it hard to believe to be honest. But any crew member that invites couples up to the crew rest area for sex deserves to be disciplined to say the least. Totally unacceptable.


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User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 6729 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 34749 times:



Quoting Francoflier (Reply 1):
Fact is: CX cabin or cockpit crew would never EVER offer a pax to use the crew rest bunks for his personal 'enjoyment', much less provide him/them with 'intimity', no matter how important said pax is...

For the crews sake, I can only hope your statement is true, it may allow them to get jobs elsewhere, based on the severity of the breach based on CX policies.

Fact is that the crew did allow an unauthorized person into the crew rest area and there is physical evidence of that, in the US and some parts of Europe and the west in general, this may simply results in an admonition by management and or a letter on your file, in other area's of the world this is grounds for termination.

Look at the folks who allowed the breach, don't worry about the pax who took advantage of their kindness, on in this case, a violation of the company policies. One thing I do not get, if the crew knows the company policy, and the pax is not supposed to be there, why would you allow him to take pictures, with facebook and all these other internet site, did they believe that no one would know or that the pax would not brag about it?

All in all poor judgement by the crew, lets hope the consequences are not severe.


User currently offlinePhelpsie87 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 498 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 34162 times:



Quoting Par13del (Reply 3):
Fact is that the crew did allow an unauthorized person into the crew rest area and there is physical evidence of that, in the US and some parts of Europe and the west in general, this may simply results in an admonition by management and or a letter on your file

Makes me think I should take down the pics of my in-flight tour of an NW A330 crew rest...


User currently offlineDingDong From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 34008 times:



Quoting Phelpsie87 (Reply 4):
Makes me think I should take down the pics of my in-flight tour of an NW A330 crew rest...

Nah. The key thing is:

- Don't identify (name, position, flight) or describe the crew members who invited you for a look-see
- Don't publicize satirical or ludicrous claims

Both combined forces an image-conscious airline to examine the matter further. Without both elements, nothing is likely to happen.



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7524 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 days ago) and read 33669 times:

Wait, didn't I read a trip report from an a.net member not too long ago about his trip to Boston for a Harvard alumni reunion with a stop in Toronto???


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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5225 posts, RR: 25
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 days ago) and read 33553 times:



Quoting EddieDude (Reply 6):
Wait, didn't I read a trip report from an a.net member not too long ago about his trip to Boston for a Harvard alumni reunion with a stop in Toronto???



Quoting SInGAPORE_AIR (Thread starter):
The alleged incident occurred in this trip report. It's a good trip report too.




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User currently offlineEwRkId From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 days ago) and read 33325 times:

WOW!!!! I remember reading that trip report, as I kept reading this article it sound exactly like that TR, I always liked that guys TR's though, that is flying CX in F and all.

User currently offlineAlaskaqantas From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 902 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 days ago) and read 33091 times:

I remember reading that Trip Report.

well hey, one good thing to get from this is we do know that at least some airlines are paying attention to what we say about them on this forum.

I agree with what is being said, I don't think anything much will come out of this. Just some awkward questions and a few faces red with embarrassment. (hopefully the claim he was making was just him trying to talk it up and nothing really happened.) For all we know these photos could have been taken post landing. It all depends on what he was making up and what was actual truth... I guess we'll see.
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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18703 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 days ago) and read 32800 times:

So the take-home lesson here is that if any of us join the mile-high club, mum's the word.

What fun is that?


User currently offline413x3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1983 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 31910 times:

Mums the word? No, how about not posting a detailed pictorial trip report on the most popular airline website?

User currently offlineAndrewtang From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 461 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (5 years 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 31498 times:

Here's another news report from Yahoo Australia.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/5...ple-accused-joining-milehigh-club/


User currently offlineUA76Heavy From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 30913 times:



Quoting Francoflier (Reply 1):
Fact is: CX cabin or cockpit crew would never EVER offer a pax to use the crew rest bunks for his personal 'enjoyment', much less provide him/them with 'intimity', no matter how important said pax is...

Agreed. However, for all we know, the picture could have been taken after the flight arrived and his story was conveniently written around the picture. It's called creative writing (i.e., BS).


User currently offlineWhappeh From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1562 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 30762 times:

Does this mean that airlines read the Trip Report section?


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User currently offlinePanAm747LHR From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 232 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 30464 times:



Quoting Francoflier (Reply 1):
The blogger was quite obviously an aviation enthusiast (judging by the amount of pictures he took and the details of the descriptions) and after the flight requested the crew to take a peek at the crew rest area, where he had them took a picture of him lying on the bunk. From there he made up a lovely little Mile High story to impress his Harvard buddies (There are chances that his claim of being a Harvard graduate going for his third year reunion are also false, as apparently there are no such things as third year reunions for Harvard grads...).

I'm going to have to agree with the above stated theory. Sounds like some rich yuppie with a big ego who was lucky enough to be given a tour of the crew rest in between break shifts, managed to get some pictures of it with the sheets all ruffled, and made up a nice 'mile-high' club story to go along with it. Grow up, really.

-Nick


User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 29094 times:



Quoting Whappeh (Reply 14):

Does this mean that airlines read the Trip Report section?

Yes, management from airlines read many things on this site. That's why one must be careful of what he or she says, especially in times like these. Some carriers are watching their employees like hawks, looking for any excuse possible to can them. That might sound a little extreme, but it can certainly be the case.



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2807 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (5 years 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 28049 times:

Considering the financial position that CX currently finds itself in, maybe they should consider opening up the crew rest bunks to generate incremental revenue from customers willing to pay for it?  Wink I mean it saves them taking up one of the lavatories...........

User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3783 posts, RR: 34
Reply 18, posted (5 years 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 27762 times:



Quoting Whappeh (Reply 14):
Does this mean that airlines read the Trip Report section?

Not necessarily. They probably found out by reading a thread in the civil aviation forum posted 9 days ago and then went to the trip report forum.

Passenger Using CX 773 Crew Rest Area To Join MHC?

LoneStarMike


User currently offlineFlood From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (5 years 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 27677 times:



Quoting Whappeh (Reply 14):
Does this mean that airlines read the Trip Report section?

This wouldn't surprise me at all as the trip reports contain quite detailed feedback from a lot of very experienced flyers. This particular incident was also discussed in its own thread on civ aviation.


User currently offlineRunway23 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Jan 2005, 2153 posts, RR: 36
Reply 20, posted (5 years 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 27103 times:



Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 18):
Passenger Using CX 773 Crew Rest Area To Join MHC?

You have to love the journalism in particular at the end of the article:

"Pilots reacted with surprise to the claims with one Hong Kong pilot writing on the www.airliners.net website where the blog was posted: "I have seen the crew rest area opened to a very ill and sick passenger but never for a passenger - even in First Class - just because he was getting frisky in the cabin."

A senior Cathay Pacific pilot, speaking on condition of anonymity, said, "I frankly think it's unlikely this really happened.

"On a flight from Toronto there will be someone in the cockpit crew rest area almost all the time. There are four pilots and two will be in there at a time apart from the breaks between shifts which will only be about 15 minutes."
"


User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3197 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (5 years 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 26996 times:

Well lets look at this whole thing on the balance of probabilities.

firstly (1) the same author in other trip reports claims to have pushed in front of Celebrities trying to board AA's domestic first class

(2) the same Author claims AA's first beats BA's club world hands down

(3) the same author claimed AA was a better airline then Cathay

(4) The same Author used rather Immature language to describe his trip... something along the lines of BAnewclub world sucky yukky AA new business me so lucky.

Now.... maybe I'm reading too much into this.... but just maybe...does anybody thing these are ZED tickets and somebody is travelling on their family's benefits?


User currently offlineDingDong From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 26968 times:



Quoting Runway23 (Reply 20):
"On a flight from Toronto there will be someone in the cockpit crew rest area almost all the time. There are four pilots and two will be in there at a time apart from the breaks between shifts which will only be about 15 minutes."

15 minutes? That's the amount of time an average male will need if in a hurry. Big grin

All kidding aside, it's indeed doubtful this fanciful TR actually took place as written. Most likely the author was having some fun with the readers. Smile



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User currently offlineNicholaschee From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 26394 times:

This is the very same author that rescued a rabbit for the chop shop and SMUGGLED it back to USA without declaring it at customs. Big grin

The author is a well known for fabricating facts in his TRs, so don't read too deeply into his TRs.

Quoting Whappeh (Reply 14):
Does this mean that airlines read the Trip Report section?

Yes. They do troll in the frequent flyer community forums as well - Flyertalk, Australian Frequent Flyer, V-Flyer, SQTalk...


User currently offlineCaptaintim From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2004, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 26021 times:



Quoting LoneStarMike (Reply 18):
Not necessarily. They probably found out by reading a thread in the civil aviation forum posted 9 days ago and then went to the trip report forum.

I hope i didn't get anyone in trouble but it was pretty surprising when i read that report and had to ask the anet community if it was true.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...chid=4380134&s=CharlesMD#ID4380134

Quoting Runway23 (Reply 20):
ou have to love the journalism in particular at the end of the article:

"Pilots reacted with surprise to the claims with one Hong Kong pilot writing on the www.airliners.net website where the blog was posted: "I have seen the crew rest area opened to a very ill and sick passenger but never for a passenger - even in First Class - just because he was getting frisky in the cabin."

I cannot believe a news outlet would copy that. I wrote that on the trip report mentioned. I have heard of the crew rest area available to sick passengers but never to regular passengers.



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25 Allrite : In other news, Cathay have announced that, as a security measure, they will be mounting video cameras in the crew rest areas of their aircraft. These
26 PacificWest : I don't see what the problem is... people are only about 10,000x more likely to fly CX now haha
27 Nicholaschee : Maybe SQ should do that to boost the LF in R class on the 388.
28 Francoflier : Exactly what happened indeed. The picture was most probably taken after the flight (I am personnaly convinced it was), when the aircraft was on the g
29 OA412 : I've had the same suspicions given that a lot of the writing comes across as quite immature and of very poor quality which is especially glaring when
30 Post contains links CaptainTim : Just curious. How do you think CX got to know of this incident? or do any CX insiders know for sure how CX management found out about this? My guesse
31 DingDong : or: 4. Someone (as a member of the horrified [with delicate sensibilities] general public) tattled on them... Honestly, it's not a big deal. This who
32 Vivekman2006 : Because of this incident, the CX cabin crew might over correct, and not allow aviation enthusiasts to visit/photograph the cockpit, or other such are
33 Buckfifty : This story (or trip report) was posted on another 'professional' site, which is frequented by CX pilots, management, and journos. Nothing to do with
34 Airbus_A340 : That is correct, I highly doubt they heard of this through Airliners.net, but through the website I believe you are mentioning. It had rung a few bel
35 Captaintim : are you referring to Pprune?
36 Traveladdict : From the moment I read that trip report, weeks ago, I already had a weird suspicion. First off, it's not "Asian" to do such a thing, if you know what
37 Letsgetwet : It is illegal for anyone (including FAs) to use the crew rest bunks (for any reason), unless they have been formally trained in safety equipment and e
38 LoneStarMike : And if that's the case, that might also explain why the blankets and sheets are messed up. An authorized crew member slept in there, instead of the a
39 JayinKitsap : Well maybe the marketing department can add an area to the plane "screw rest" area and get $500 per hour for it.
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