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First Swiss A333 Enroute To JFK Now  
User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 12279 times:

JFK spotters, get your cameras ready. Swiss' first new A330-300 HB-JHA is enroute to JFK as LX14 on its first revenue flight.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SWR14


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Looking forward to the pics 

edit: here's a newspaper article in german, with an interesting video showing the new interior:

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/leben/re...-ein-Vogel-geflogen/story/11196619

[Edited 2009-04-20 07:19:48]

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User currently offlineSeemyseems From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 967 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 11958 times:

Cool! I like the new 1st class they have to offer.


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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 11835 times:
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Its amazing how the newer A333 are far more capable then their original examples. So amazing the A340-300 is inefficient and a dinosaur only 16 years after going into service.

User currently onlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25459 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 11806 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 2):
So amazing the A340-300 is inefficient and a dinosaur

LH and LX don't consider the 343 inefficent or dinosaurs, and they've been two of the world's most profitable carriers for the past couple of years.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27034 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 11786 times:



Quoting SandroZRH (Thread starter):
Swiss' first new A330-300 HB-JHA is enroute to JFK as LX14 on its first revenue flight.

I was expecting you to be the co-pilot  Wink

Congrats to Swiss, cant wait to get on it myself but Im going to have to lol..


User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10901 posts, RR: 37
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11576 times:

I flew on 4 Swiss flights over the past weekend, their 330 is widely advertised. I saw the inflight video clips about the different classes, the chef, the meals, it all looked wonderful, especially the First Class beds which looked awesome.

I just can imagine how these passengers in F on the LX330 very first flight to JFK are just going to get some truly royal treatment! Lucky people!

[Edited 2009-04-20 12:44:45]


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User currently offlineSInGAPORE_AIR From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13744 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11531 times:

Congratulations to Swiss International. The First Class product looks excellent and the Business Class one is very sufficient while being space-efficient !


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User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2122 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 11445 times:



Quoting SandroZRH (Thread starter):

edit: here's a newspaper article in german, with an interesting video showing the new interior:

http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/leben/re...96619

THe aircraft really looks nice can't wait to fly it and can't wait for the entire fleet to be refited. BTW Sandro a question for the pilot what is the differences between the cockpit of the A343's (JMA-I) and the A333's of LX?


User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 11315 times:



Quoting OA260 (Reply 4):
I was expecting you to be the co-pilot

Patience mate, give it a few years  Wink

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 7):
Sandro a question for the pilot what is the differences between the cockpit of the A343's (JMA-I) and the A333's of LX?

I dont hold any Airbus rating (yet), so I wouldn't know  Wink But one thing i can say for sure, the A340 has four throttle levers, while the A330 only has two (oh really?) Big grin


User currently offlineTommyy From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11218 times:

Its about time they introduced the new business class, their current A330's have a product that is not much better then a lot of other airlines premium economy product, and for the life of me I could not understand why they would send a 330 to JFK and a 340 with much better seats to short hops such as TLV

User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2180 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11150 times:



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 2):
Its amazing how the newer A333 are far more capable then their original examples.

True. Also amazing how sales have recently rebounded.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 2):
So amazing the A340-300 is inefficient and a dinosaur only 16 years after going into service.

Still, the A343 has much longer range than the newest A333 and will help LX fly wherever they cannot go with the A333, NRT, LAX, BKK...
The A333X still is not a proper long-haul airplane and probably will never be as it was not designed with that mission in mind, yet it does a fantastic Europe-NAm (East Coast mostly) job with many airlines (US, AC, LH, SK, NW...), and IS more efficient than the A343 on the same routes, but the A343 remains good on longer routes where the A333 would ask for a refuel stop.
The A343 may not be the best true long-haul medium-capacity airplane anymore, since it's pretty clear that the 772ER beats it (at least that's what airlines such as SQ & AC thought), but it allows some "small" airlines to have one single fleet family instead of 2 (thinking of SK, AY, and now LX, where A333X and A343 coexist. -also AC used to -& the reasons why AC stopped using the A343 are legitimate since they wanted BOTH more capacity and more range than the A343 for routes such as YYZ-DEL, and also AC is a bigger airline which can afford having multiple fleet types).
Dinosaur certainly is exaggerated, however. And the A343 did receive improvements too, actually, but too little & too late. (A340-313, then 313X and finally the unsuccessful 313E).



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User currently offlineArdian From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 544 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11143 times:

Great looking plane and the interior looks really classy and elegant; I expected nothing more from such a high quality carrier. I particular love the F-class; introvert design but with an elegant and stylish luxury feel to it. Much better than EK with all that screaming faux-wood and gold.

User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3402 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 11131 times:

http://www.flightforum.ch/forum/showthread.php?p=612021

Here's some great photos from both the inside and the outside


User currently offlineSInGAPORE_AIR From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13744 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 11082 times:



Quoting Someone83 (Reply 12):
Here's some great photos from both the inside and the outside

Great photos indeed. I like where they have housed the Economy Class ex2 controller.

First Class looks brilliant.



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User currently offlineVHSMM From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10065 times:



Quoting Tommyy (Reply 9):
I could not understand why they would send a 330 to JFK and a 340 with much better seats to short hops such as TLV

Probably to minimise their operating costs - ie using the more efficient aircraft on the longer routes.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19802 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 9850 times:



Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 10):

The A343 may not be the best true long-haul medium-capacity airplane anymore, since it's pretty clear that the 772ER beats it (at least that's what airlines such as SQ & AC thought),

Not so much. The A333 has an application within its design. The thing is whether owning it and its A340 cousin is cheaper than owning the 772 and having one fleet type operate all routes, even if it's overpowered for the majority of routes it's flying. After all, LHR-EWR really doesn't need a 772s range. An A333 is more efficient on that route unless you need to haul a lot of cargo. But carriers like BA also use their 772's on far longer flights, so rather than split the fleet types, they are using an overspecified plane for a given route.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27034 posts, RR: 58
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 9593 times:



Quoting Someone83 (Reply 12):
Here's some great photos from both the inside and the outside

Amazing photos, I love the single seat in J class. The Y class has been upgraded also and looks great. Nice colours and nice interior.


User currently offlineBeeweel15 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1756 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9460 times:

The Business Class seats aren't those made by the same company Delta is getting their new seat from. If so Swiss beat Delta in offering that product to Europe

User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 853 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9451 times:

.
Wooow..

Great pics of the new LX A333. Love it!!

Bainvegni, is this the "native" language in Schweiz?

Thx a mill

//Micke   

[Edited 2009-04-21 02:00:04]


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User currently offlineJoeCattoli From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 569 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9234 times:

I'm quite sure it's Romansh Switzerland 4th official language.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romansh_language


Ciao  wave 
Joe


User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 853 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9164 times:



Quoting JoeCattoli (Reply 19):
I'm quite sure it's Romansh Switzerland 4th official language

Thx Joe, didn´t think of Wikipedia....

//Micke



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User currently offlineTreeHillRavens From Malaysia, joined Jun 2007, 400 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 8700 times:

Impressive. Though i must say the Business Class seat looks way too small for an average Westerner. All the guys in the pictures are very tall with rather broad shoulder ... Still a major improvement over the old fleet and very classy nonetheless. Well done Swiss !

By the way, i noticed the entertainment box beneath the seat is quite big compared to that installed on SIA new 388, 77W and 333. The screen in EY looks exactly the same as those found on SIA new aircraft which is from Panasonic but the entertainment box is much much slimmer and smaller on SIA. Are they not using the same system ?

[Edited 2009-04-21 04:51:06]

User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5568 posts, RR: 36
Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 8700 times:



Quoting JoeCattoli (Reply 19):
I'm quite sure it's Romansh Switzerland 4th official language.

You are right, it is Romantsch. 4th language in Switzerland only spoken by a few 10 thousand people.


User currently offlineLXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2122 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7725 times:



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 8):
I dont hold any Airbus rating (yet), so I wouldn't know Wink But one thing i can say for sure, the A340 has four throttle levers, while the A330 only has two (oh really?) Big grin

lol...

Quoting Tommyy (Reply 9):
Its about time they introduced the new business class, their current A330's have a product that is not much better then a lot of other airlines premium economy product, and for the life of me I could not understand why they would send a 330 to JFK and a 340 with much better seats to short hops such as TLV

SWISS uses the A332's since last december on the TLV route. Regarding the CAI route the A343 is used because it would anyway sit the whole day on the ground at ZRH before continuing to GRU, BKK, JNB or HKG. I fully agree the Business class product of the A332's is bad news and unfortunately it will take until 2011 that all A332's have left the fleet.


User currently offlineAidanoc5793 From Ireland, joined Apr 2009, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7663 times:

Wow!!!!! Look at those interiors, really well done, I thought OS biz seat looked great but that is fantastic, even theri economy seats look extremely comfortable, LH should be ashamed their smaller company beats its own product on sooo many levels

25 LXA340 : The Y seats were inherited from LH they were originally supposed to go into their first A380's but as the deliveries got delayed etc the seats became
26 Enginebird : Great looking plane, BUT it is a real dissapointment that the seat pitch in economy has not been increased, i.e. the product that most of LX's custome
27 Viscount724 : LX service is still above average in my opinion, and the overall product is more than just inflight service. As you say, many people, myself included
28 SR183 : Sorry to hear that you had such a bad personal experience on LX A332. Although I am not a great fan of LX, I find your judgement about LX too harsh a
29 Enginebird : I would choose to strongly disagree. Everybody around felt the same as I did: "never been in such cramped seating" -- this is my main critcism and I
30 Post contains images SR183 : You are right that LH and LX are not viewing their A343 fleet as the QR CEO commented about their A346 fleet recently...I just want to add something
31 Post contains links SR183 : LX A332 has a 32" seatpitch ( http://www.swiss.com/web/EN/services...wiss_economy_intercontinental.aspx ), which could be the standard for long-haul
32 Post contains links Enginebird : Apologies. Checked www.airlinequality.com and it said 31". Felt like 29" or 30" anyway, as the seat is (as LX says in the source you mentioned) 5cm (
33 Viscount724 : I agree, LX 332 Y class seats have always seemed very cramped. Even LX A319/320/321s seem more spacious although the seat pitch is a couple of inches
34 TreeHillRavens : I have flown on SR 332. Okay, not exactly a SR 332 but an ex-SR 332. MH lease several ex-SR 332 soon after they went bankrupt and they keep the inter
35 Enginebird : It is common there, but this is not exactly the point. The seat is very thick and uncomfortable, so whatever the exact pitch is, the seating feels mu
36 ZRH : I think all economy classes of all airlines are terribly cramped, its about the same everywhere. For me not the pitch is most important but the width.
37 TreeHillRavens : Which is why certain carriers come up with the idea "Premium Economy Class" in the first place. That would require you to pay more though ...
38 SandroZRH : And that's how it should be. Air travel fares have dropped drastically over the last couple of years, and yet people are still wanting lower fares, b
39 Seemyseems : That cabin is very nice! I like the upolhstry colour they choose for their seats.
40 Post contains links AntonovA330 : It seems that JHA had a good start, also interiourwise. A first new product review can be read here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/swiss...iguration-
41 LXA340 : You are fully right..."you get what you pay for". Profit margins in the airline industry have anyway increased drastically over the years with more a
42 SandroZRH : Actually, talking of premium fares, LX have a very attractive C class fare on offer for summer trips to JFK. just over CHF2000 all in, and that includ
43 SR183 : I guess, you meant 'decreased'
44 Enginebird : Let me add just one word: Swiss. Should read: If you don't like it, fly business class or stop flying Swiss. Unfortunately I had no choice, as I was
45 SandroZRH : Fair enough, in your case. Obviously, the majority of people disagree with you.
46 Poh2 : really? what dates did you find that fare on? I just looked around a bit and couldn't find anything lower than CHF 2,800. This is still cheaper than
47 SandroZRH : I just entered two random saturdays in june if memory serves correct and it came out at some CHF2100. But in the end, high fares are probably a good
48 LXA340 : hehe..thanks
49 LXA340 : Did the first A333 of LX go tech today exactly one week after it's inaugual flight to JFK? The flight left 3 hours late today after 16:00
50 SInGAPORE_AIR : SWISS - LX 14 DELAY AIRCRAFT DEFECTS DELAY AWAITING CONNECTING PASSENGERS Zurich (ZRH), Zurich, Switzerland 15:51 LEFT THE GATE Zurich (ZRH), Zurich,
51 Panamair : It's valid for departures out of ZRH from 28 June through 4 September and has to be booked /available in "J" inventory. LX, AA, CO, and US are all of
52 N960AS : This month I've flown LX ZRH-LAX (I understand this was on a A340) and a LHR-JFK-LHR trip on AA. I too was never blown away by the LX Y class long hau
53 Post contains images Mikemalone : I was on the first flight to JFK, IFE and Seat functions worked very well in all classes (for a first flight), about 10 to 15 Journalists were also o
54 Post contains links Jambo293 : Hi Maikemalone... thx for the good pics... alll in all it seems like a very successful 1st flight. Since you didn't take any pics of the seats... i th
55 LXA340 : Thanks for sharing On another note the A333 got it's first rest day today. It will have it's next flight tomorow as LX014 to JFK
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