MadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10975 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 11799 times:
I flew on 4 Swiss flights over the past weekend, their 330 is widely advertised. I saw the inflight video clips about the different classes, the chef, the meals, it all looked wonderful, especially the First Class beds which looked awesome.
I just can imagine how these passengers in F on the LX330 very first flight to JFK are just going to get some truly royal treatment! Lucky people!
[Edited 2009-04-20 12:44:45]
There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
THe aircraft really looks nice can't wait to fly it and can't wait for the entire fleet to be refited. BTW Sandro a question for the pilot what is the differences between the cockpit of the A343's (JMA-I) and the A333's of LX?
Tommyy From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 11441 times:
Its about time they introduced the new business class, their current A330's have a product that is not much better then a lot of other airlines premium economy product, and for the life of me I could not understand why they would send a 330 to JFK and a 340 with much better seats to short hops such as TLV
YULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2193 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 11373 times:
Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 2): Its amazing how the newer A333 are far more capable then their original examples.
True. Also amazing how sales have recently rebounded.
Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 2): So amazing the A340-300 is inefficient and a dinosaur only 16 years after going into service.
Still, the A343 has much longer range than the newest A333 and will help LX fly wherever they cannot go with the A333, NRT, LAX, BKK...
The A333X still is not a proper long-haul airplane and probably will never be as it was not designed with that mission in mind, yet it does a fantastic Europe-NAm (East Coast mostly) job with many airlines (US, AC, LH, SK, NW...), and IS more efficient than the A343 on the same routes, but the A343 remains good on longer routes where the A333 would ask for a refuel stop.
The A343 may not be the best true long-haul medium-capacity airplane anymore, since it's pretty clear that the 772ER beats it (at least that's what airlines such as SQ & AC thought), but it allows some "small" airlines to have one single fleet family instead of 2 (thinking of SK, AY, and now LX, where A333X and A343 coexist. -also AC used to -& the reasons why AC stopped using the A343 are legitimate since they wanted BOTH more capacity and more range than the A343 for routes such as YYZ-DEL, and also AC is a bigger airline which can afford having multiple fleet types).
Dinosaur certainly is exaggerated, however. And the A343 did receive improvements too, actually, but too little & too late. (A340-313, then 313X and finally the unsuccessful 313E).
Ardian From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 554 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 11366 times:
Great looking plane and the interior looks really classy and elegant; I expected nothing more from such a high quality carrier. I particular love the F-class; introvert design but with an elegant and stylish luxury feel to it. Much better than EK with all that screaming faux-wood and gold.
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20832 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10073 times:
Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 10):
The A343 may not be the best true long-haul medium-capacity airplane anymore, since it's pretty clear that the 772ER beats it (at least that's what airlines such as SQ & AC thought),
Not so much. The A333 has an application within its design. The thing is whether owning it and its A340 cousin is cheaper than owning the 772 and having one fleet type operate all routes, even if it's overpowered for the majority of routes it's flying. After all, LHR-EWR really doesn't need a 772s range. An A333 is more efficient on that route unless you need to haul a lot of cargo. But carriers like BA also use their 772's on far longer flights, so rather than split the fleet types, they are using an overspecified plane for a given route.
TreeHillRavens From Malaysia, joined Jun 2007, 405 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8923 times:
Impressive. Though i must say the Business Class seat looks way too small for an average Westerner. All the guys in the pictures are very tall with rather broad shoulder ... Still a major improvement over the old fleet and very classy nonetheless. Well done Swiss !
By the way, i noticed the entertainment box beneath the seat is quite big compared to that installed on SIA new 388, 77W and 333. The screen in EY looks exactly the same as those found on SIA new aircraft which is from Panasonic but the entertainment box is much much slimmer and smaller on SIA. Are they not using the same system ?
LXA340 From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 2134 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7948 times:
Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 8): I dont hold any Airbus rating (yet), so I wouldn't know Wink But one thing i can say for sure, the A340 has four throttle levers, while the A330 only has two (oh really?) Big grin
Quoting Tommyy (Reply 9): Its about time they introduced the new business class, their current A330's have a product that is not much better then a lot of other airlines premium economy product, and for the life of me I could not understand why they would send a 330 to JFK and a 340 with much better seats to short hops such as TLV
SWISS uses the A332's since last december on the TLV route. Regarding the CAI route the A343 is used because it would anyway sit the whole day on the ground at ZRH before continuing to GRU, BKK, JNB or HKG. I fully agree the Business class product of the A332's is bad news and unfortunately it will take until 2011 that all A332's have left the fleet.
Aidanoc5793 From Ireland, joined Apr 2009, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7886 times:
Wow!!!!! Look at those interiors, really well done, I thought OS biz seat looked great but that is fantastic, even theri economy seats look extremely comfortable, LH should be ashamed their smaller company beats its own product on sooo many levels
: The Y seats were inherited from LH they were originally supposed to go into their first A380's but as the deliveries got delayed etc the seats became
: Great looking plane, BUT it is a real dissapointment that the seat pitch in economy has not been increased, i.e. the product that most of LX's custome
: LX service is still above average in my opinion, and the overall product is more than just inflight service. As you say, many people, myself included
: Sorry to hear that you had such a bad personal experience on LX A332. Although I am not a great fan of LX, I find your judgement about LX too harsh a
: I would choose to strongly disagree. Everybody around felt the same as I did: "never been in such cramped seating" -- this is my main critcism and I
: You are right that LH and LX are not viewing their A343 fleet as the QR CEO commented about their A346 fleet recently...I just want to add something
: LX A332 has a 32" seatpitch ( http://www.swiss.com/web/EN/services...wiss_economy_intercontinental.aspx ), which could be the standard for long-haul
: Apologies. Checked www.airlinequality.com and it said 31". Felt like 29" or 30" anyway, as the seat is (as LX says in the source you mentioned) 5cm (
: I agree, LX 332 Y class seats have always seemed very cramped. Even LX A319/320/321s seem more spacious although the seat pitch is a couple of inches
: I have flown on SR 332. Okay, not exactly a SR 332 but an ex-SR 332. MH lease several ex-SR 332 soon after they went bankrupt and they keep the inter
: It is common there, but this is not exactly the point. The seat is very thick and uncomfortable, so whatever the exact pitch is, the seating feels mu
: I think all economy classes of all airlines are terribly cramped, its about the same everywhere. For me not the pitch is most important but the width.
: Which is why certain carriers come up with the idea "Premium Economy Class" in the first place. That would require you to pay more though ...
: And that's how it should be. Air travel fares have dropped drastically over the last couple of years, and yet people are still wanting lower fares, b
: That cabin is very nice! I like the upolhstry colour they choose for their seats.
: It seems that JHA had a good start, also interiourwise. A first new product review can be read here: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/swiss...iguration-
: You are fully right..."you get what you pay for". Profit margins in the airline industry have anyway increased drastically over the years with more a
: Actually, talking of premium fares, LX have a very attractive C class fare on offer for summer trips to JFK. just over CHF2000 all in, and that includ