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Rumor - DL New Flight MEM-Unique Dest.  
User currently offlinePHXtoDCAtoMSP From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 16913 times:

I have heard that shortly DL will announce a flight from MEM to a "unique destination that people would have not thought was possible to fly to from MEM on DL/NW". Don't know what it is but I hear it should be announced soon. No word on domestic or international....what plane....anything. But I hear people will not have thought it was possible...whatever that means.

Any speculation?

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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22718 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 16866 times:

Depending on how MEM-LBB and MEM-MFE are doing, I'd definitely look to that part of the world. In Texas, MAF and AMA would be my guesses.


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User currently offlinePHXtoDCAtoMSP From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 16794 times:

I would tend to think that it is not international. This is not the time of year that you would announce anything Transatlantic or Transpacific. It also is not a good time in general to be experimenting with Long Haul international services. It could be South American or something like that....with a start date this winter (South American summer).....but I still sort of doubt it.

Those Texas ideas could be true....but I was intrigued by the repetition of "would not have thought it was possible". MAF or AMA might not have been thought up....but they were certainly "possible", right?

I guess we will just have to wait and see but I am curious.


User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2426 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 16773 times:
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MEM-BOI! LOL. But who knows. SInce DL isn't doing their seasonal n/s BOI-ATL, maybe give MEM a shot with its less connection availabilities!  Wink


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User currently offlineOcracoke From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 680 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 16673 times:



Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 4):
MEM-BOI! LOL. But who knows. SInce DL isn't doing their seasonal n/s BOI-ATL, maybe give MEM a shot with its less connection availabilities!

Hey, I was thinking that part of the country too! MEM-GEG or MEM-BZN.


User currently offlinePackcheer From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 16609 times:

But seriously, what would "not have been thought possible?" I believe that everything in the US is reachable from MEM. Heck make it a widebody to a popular destination. MEM-HNL, or something wacko like that


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User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 16580 times:

My question is why would you? Do they really think they can support something like this rumor proposes??


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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9289 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 16566 times:



Quoting Packcheer (Reply 6):

that was my point anything with in the US wouldn't shock and anything other than CDG and maybe LON/FRA would more thanlikely be like burning money so.......



yep.
User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 16482 times:

Hmmmmm....Latin America would be interesting...but given that NW tried to make MEX work...twice...to no avail, then why try and do something crazy like SCL lol.

West Texas is also an interesting proposition as it would: a) send a message to the state of TN that the hub is still viable and b) send a message to WN that MEM is still important and will be defended and along those lines c) another stab deep in the Heart of Texas as a bit of a 'Sc**w You' to WN for MSP  Big grin  eyepopping 

CDG maybe? but you all are right...it is a little late for TATL launches and would cannibalize RASM to AMS. Same can be said for NRT...which has been rumored for years, but is off the radar until the first 787 delivery in 2038, around the same time the first NNNG 7-14-7s come online  crackup 

So my money is to ANC....on 9E's E175s hehe


User currently offlineTheGov From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 414 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days ago) and read 16439 times:

For some reason, I have a feeling it may be an international destination. Maybe Canada or perhaps Mexico. If we are lucky, it could possibly be MEM-SXM!


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User currently offlinePHXtoDCAtoMSP From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days ago) and read 16437 times:

Got some more hints.

This will be a new station for NW/DL.

And the city itself is not unique but the airport is.

That's all I got!


User currently offlineUSFlyer MSP From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days ago) and read 16412 times:

DAL?......................that would be an interesting strike against WN.

User currently offlineItalianFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 1099 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days ago) and read 16390 times:

There ya go...BLV !!!! (Mid America/St. Louis) hehe

User currently offlineTR1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 265 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days ago) and read 16390 times:

Branson, MO perhaps?

User currently offlineDLHFLYER From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days ago) and read 16393 times:



Quoting PHXtoDCAtoMSP (Reply 2):
I would tend to think that it is not international. This is not the time of year that you would announce anything Transatlantic or Transpacific. It also is not a good time in general to be experimenting with Long Haul international services. It could be South American or something like that....with a start date this winter (South American summer).....but I still sort of doubt it.

Those Texas ideas could be true....but I was intrigued by the repetition of "would not have thought it was possible". MAF or AMA might not have been thought up....but they were certainly "possible", right?

I guess we will just have to wait and see but I am curious.

Obviously this is just a rumor, but it seems unlikely that Delta would build up all this hype for a regional flight to Texas. I am not saying it is international, but it has to be something big.



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User currently offlinePHXtoDCAtoMSP From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days ago) and read 16375 times:

I thought about DAL, but I thought that only AA, WN and CO could fly there.

Stockton, CA?
Carlsbad, CA?

Doesn't really make sense to start MEM before SLC....

Maybe it is HOU and they didn't realize DL flew ATL-HOU?


User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1597 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days ago) and read 16356 times:



Quoting PHXtoDCAtoMSP (Reply 10):
And the city itself is not unique but the airport is.

I know...San Bernadino!

More seriously, Williams Gateway (IWA/AZA) might be an interesting flight from MEM.



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User currently offlineUSFlyer MSP From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days ago) and read 16328 times:

Maybe EFD? CO's 10-min intra-city flights to IAH seemed pretty popular until the introduction of regional jets made it uneconomical.

User currently offlinePilotfox From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 551 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days ago) and read 16312 times:



Quoting PHXtoDCAtoMSP (Reply 10):
And the city itself is not unique but the airport is


Gotta be Branson, 1st private commercial airport in the county.


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8893 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days ago) and read 16234 times:

Branson would make sense as a Saab destination - well within the range of the Saab and MEM is a logical hub for Branson - MSP is a bit out of the way (and already has service on SY) and the same is true for ATL (replace SY with FL).

User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5155 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days ago) and read 16185 times:



Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 17):
Maybe EFD? CO's 10-min intra-city flights to IAH seemed pretty popular until the introduction of regional jets made it uneconomical.

I doubt EFD because the facilities their for commercial ops may be inadequate. Part of the reason COEx left was because the city required the building to be updated and CO didn't want to put those kind of resources into the op....along with the economy/fuel cost/etc.



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User currently offlineMMEPHX From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 months 6 days ago) and read 16134 times:



Quoting Coronado990 (Reply 16):
More seriously, Williams Gateway (IWA/AZA) might be an interesting flight from MEM.

NW already sends a couple of e-jets (A319??) to PHX from MEM as well as DTW and MSP flights,so I can't see them going to IWA and splitting their base.

Quoting Pilotfox (Reply 18):
Gotta be Branson, 1st private commercial airport in the county.



Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 19):
Branson would make sense as a Saab destination

I'm not sure I can get excited about a Saab 340 going to Branson if that is what this is all about.


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7531 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 16060 times:



Quoting Pilotfox (Reply 18):
Gotta be Branson, 1st private commercial airport in the county.

Nope

More hints to the city,

I would say its somewhat of a unique airport, its not Branson, and it could be, depending on what they put into the schedule anywhere up to an A320.

I'm actually surprised they are not going to serve this from Atlanta.



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 16025 times:



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 22):
I would say its somewhat of a unique airport, its not Branson, and it could be, depending on what they put into the schedule anywhere up to an A320.

Well based on this statement we can say it is NOT DAL because A320 has over 56 seats on the aircraft. Which as we know cannot be served n/s MEM-DAL.

Can't wait to see what it is!

Alex



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User currently offlineGSP psgr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 15929 times:

My vote-FTW (Fort Worth, TX)-it fits.......

25 ItalianFlyer : Yes, it sure does. Correct me if im wrong Lone Star a-netters...but I was under the impression that the Wright Amendment applied to FTW untill 2014 a
26 Post contains links GSP psgr : If you read the text of the amendment here, it says nothing about Meecham.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wright_Amendment If it is indeed FTW, I'm
27 Post contains links LoneStarMike : Otherwise known as AA's corporate headquarters? Oh, what a delicious irony that would be! If you all remember, back towards the end of the Wright Ame
28 Davescj : I wonder why you'd want a "MEM" unique destination. That makes you think about a couple things: 1. Is this a cargo primary route (as well all know, ME
29 LHR777 : I'm going with MEM-NRT, on a 738, island-hopper style, but going eastbound from MEM. Is that unique enough?
30 Af773atmsp : Maybe its ATL-MEM-SYD? People were discussing this route and this route is something people would think is impossible.
31 CALMSP : I've often wondered why CO doesn't fly there with a few RJ's.......
32 Deltamd88 : How about MEM-ROA MEM-SNN or MEM-TTN.....they would be unique!!
33 ERJ170 : Perhaps MEM-PGV (Greenville, NC) as it is not served by DL at all?
34 Burnsie28 : I thought that it was extended recently to include TN. I see its until 2014, I know NW was interested in serving DAL. Also it is NOT an international
35 IgneousRocks : Hmmm, how about Waco/Kileen/Temple, Texas?
36 LoneStarMike : No, it was Missouri that got added in 2005 LoneStarMike
37 Enilria : With CO leaving SkyTeam I would not be surprised to see MEM getting some more Mexico service. I can imagine more beach service, but I can also imagin
38 Steeler83 : Nah. I'd think more along the lines of MEM-SYD!
39 Packcheer : Interesting
40 Rampguy : Please!!!! DL/NW wouldn't dare try to go in the cargo biz and even attempt to compete with FedEx. Fred Smith wouldn't tolerate that.
41 Teva : Isn't "unique" the name of the company running ZRH airport??? I think MEM-ZRH would be ....pretty...unique... Teva
42 Sampa737 : I think it's really cool the way DL seems to be valuing MEM at this point. It seems most were thinking the airport was going to be, at most, a focus c
43 Davescj : Right now DL thinks they can do anything. Need we say more? As to a unique route: Memphis -- NOLA/Bakersfield/Austin...bring the music together? Dave
44 Rampguy : Well then, DL is in for a very rude awakening. Neew I say more????
45 ItalianFlyer : Fred's boys & girls bought allot of prem seats when I worked in MEM....unless things have changed in three years, NW>DL and FedEx have a very cozy &
46 LAXdude1023 : Thats an interesting thought. Killeen already has ATL service though. Waco could be an option I suppose, but if the flight is going to be operated wi
47 AAflyguy : Actually, DL is doing ATL-BOI on weekends this summer, starting mid-June. While not at the level of frequency operated in recent years, at least it wa
48 Burnsie28 : I said it could be operated with anything between a Saab and eventually an A320, no need for a 757 at that time, but you could see a 757 several year
49 Web : I would guess PIE. Should be served from ATL, could be up to an A320, it's fairly unique, and it's domestic.
50 Flaps : Cozy indeed. The only reason that DL/NW even operates PIT-MEM is because of FedEx. They serve as kind of a corporate shuttle between the world HQ in
51 MSYtristar : Laughlin, NV? Just trying to think of some place that could possibly support a 320. Maybe a weekend-only service. My first guess was Branson, but that
52 USPIT10L : Interesting. It seemed like every bag I saw at NW going to MEM in the morning was connecting traffic, not O&D. It's still flown only by CRJs.
53 AznMadSci : ACT would be considered Heart of Texas, not West Texas!
54 Rockinflyer : I'm not sure if SAN is year round from MEM, but I suspect that if it isn't, it's coming. What with DL's even larger presence at SAN now, I'm sure its
55 FATFlyer : MEM-Fresno. That ties together the 2 cotton growing capitals.
56 GSP psgr : FAT is already served from DL via SLC.....I'm thinking it has to be either EFD or FTW, based upon the criteria layed out and geography............
57 Contrails : Interesting post. A "unique destination that people would have not thought was possible to fly to from MEM on DL/NW"? This sounds like it is an intern
58 Acey559 : Maybe it's HAV. That would be pretty unique and something nobody would have guessed. Kidding, of course.
59 USAirALB : Sanford, PIE, ACY, Laughlin come to mind. I wish MEM had service to ALB/BUF/ROC/PVD all of which are possible, on a CRJ.
60 Texan : Oh what the hell, I'll take a gander. Burnsie said it could be served by anything from and SF3 up to an A320 eventually, and possibly 757s from other
61 Cubsrule : That, of course, depends on what AA is trying to do at DAL. It might be that DL flying a few CRJs a day to MEM is a small enough threat to AA that th
62 FWAERJ : LAF? It's not served by commercial airlines right now, it could support SF3s during off-peak times, CRJs during the academic year at Purdue University
63 Davescj : Since DL doesn't seem to want to serve TX as they once did.....I doubt it. How about Lawton? They just pulled out (again) from ATL. Dave
64 Cubsrule : But they have served Texas consistently until recently. First, they did it themselves (DFW hub). Then, they used the CO codeshare. Now, short of merg
65 MtnWest1979 : How about MEM-DET? That would be a candidate. Loyal FF'ers there.
66 OzarkD9S : Not possible? Hmmmmmmm......... GYY? Saab could make it, be a bit of a stretch.
67 Coronado990 : Another possibility is Macon. I don't know if ASA has any flying or will have any flying out of MEM, but it would be a good way to bring back service
68 Sf3SCE : Could it be SCE possibly?
69 Rampguy : Have you ever visited Ellington Field (EFD)? There is no adequate passenger terminal to operate a scheduled passenger flight. Yes, I know that COEX d
70 GSP psgr : Yes, but if you're only aiming to fill two or three CRJs, it only needs to be convenient to a slice of the 6 million + Metroplex to be successful. Fr
71 Burnsie28 : Again for the second time, the route could be served with anything from SAAB's to eventually A320's. So stop thinking so far away.
72 Cubsrule : If we're moving down that way, CRP might be another guess. SGR appears to have a terminal; would it be sufficient for 50-seaters (and a TSA checkpoin
73 Burnsie28 : Put it this way, Delta in some way or form has served this destination before. Also planes up to the 747 have been to this airport before.
74 AirCatalonia : BCN? How cool would that be?
75 ItalianFlyer : Then im going with DAL. DAL at DAL...again.
76 LoneStarMike : Well that sounds like DAL to me. Delta served that airport prior to DFW opening, and DL Connection had regional jet flights to ATL and were intially
77 KingAir200 : You'd have to be pretty loyal to want to fly out of DET.
78 DeltaL1011man : ......burning money...... I want to say they did. If its DAL then thats why is wouldn't be out of Atlanta but can they fly(no knowing anything about
79 Post contains links Atrude777 : Any airline can fly into DAL from any station within the USA as long as it is at 56 seats or LESS for non stop service. Yes, they did, here is a pict
80 KingAir200 : Their maintenance base is at AFW, not FTW.
81 ScottB : Agreed. Given that bit of info, it's got to be DAL. It's also one of the first airports served by Delta way, way back when they started out of Monroe
82 Ipodguy7 : my moneys on MEM-NRT with A330 4 times weekly
83 DeltaL1011man : But wouldn't that kill the SF3 up to a 320 idea? And then if it is DAL why not a 752 or 763? ahhh ok my bad. I don't think a 332 can make it. Would h
84 BAKJet : Maybe HUF (Terre Haute, IN). I guess Lafayette, Indiana might also be a slim possibilility. If Im lucky its BAK (Columbus, IN), but thats really unlik
85 FlyASAGuy2005 : And bypass ATL? Highly doubt it. As it is, they seem to be funneling passengers into the fortress that is Atlanta. MEM has it's place but I don't thi
86 Commavia : Just FYI: FTW (Meacham Airport) is nowhere near AA's corporate headquarters, which are more than 20 miles away, and right at the south entrance to DF
87 LoneStarMike : No, because the 56 seats or less rule will go away in 2014 so it could be a SF3 now and a 320 after 2014. When I said otherwise known as AA's corpora
88 BinMonster : MEM-DAL
89 DeltaL1011man : If it is DAL Then I would think it would be better to fly to MEM vs. ATL. Why? Easy thats a long route for a CR2.
90 SANFan : I could see Gary. It seems to fit the criteria given... Or how about ASE or Eagle/Vail? (I can't tell for sure but it looks like DL/NW doesn't serve
91 LAXdude1023 : DL used to fly ATL-DAL with a CRJ.
92 Airbusaddict : Of course Im crossing my fingers for FSD, since we have been trying to throw money at AA for DFW service. But i doubt it. I honestly think it could be
93 Commavia : All this talk of DAL leaves me with one question: where are they going to get the gate space? Southwest, AA and Continental are the only airlines that
94 DeltaL1011man : I know it can do it but its alot like the other TEX routes. Most are better via MEM. Once DAL opens up I could see it getting a few n/s CR9 flights A
95 ScottB : Under the lease terms, they don't have a choice. The gates aren't leased for exclusive use; they are preferential-use. If AA isn't using the gates, t
96 Ocracoke : Maybe DL will swap some L gates at ORD (since DL is leaving L for the time being anyways) for some AA gates at DAL (since AA is leaving DAL for the t
97 Drerx7 : They were full...I flew the route regularly and those 35 and 50 seats went out full with OnePassers earning those miles and parking for free at EFD.
98 Cubsrule : I'm still not sure why it would be in AA's interest to keep DL from flying 150 daily seats to DAL. It's really not much in the grand scheme of things
99 DeltaL1011man : And DL already has ATL-HOU. IRRC has a few CR9 flights too.
100 PSU.DTW.SCE : Ok, if you guys know it, just say it.
101 N839MH : Not sure if this helps, but there is a news conference schedulued for Wednesday morning with R. Anderson at DFW... Don't know anymore info. then that.
102 NW : A NW manager was just moved to DFW who has experience with DAL from CO Express. Not sure if that has anything to do with this but would make a little
103 ScottB : That wouldn't exactly be an ideal place to announce DAL service (at DFW Airport specifically). But it does lend credence to the speculation that some
104 Slcdeltarumd11 : shot in the dark here my guess would be somewhere in Mexico
105 Rampguy : They are all too close to IND. HUF, LAF and BMG had scheduled service way back in the 1980's. But times are different now.
106 Enilria : I don't know how credible you are as a source, but you are basically saying the new station is DAL. You were wrong, however, about the law. TN was ne
107 MaverickM11 : They did ATLDAL; DALMEM is certainly not going to be better. If DL thinks a few DALMEM RJs is going to be "retaliation" for DENMSP, that's just sad.
108 Drerx7 : Well - I don't know how much retaliation it'll be since WN doesn't fly to MEM. My question is - why did ATL-DAL fail? And what makes a MEM-DAL run wo
109 Burnsie28 : Sweet, how much money do you have, because i take cash or check... unless you know of how a Saab 340 makes it MEM-NRT. DL and NW both serve EGE, NW f
110 Cubsrule : It was the second-best option to Dallas behind the DFW hub (which was still open in 2003 when they tried it). That's the harder question. With cities
111 JohnJ : West Memphis, just across the river from Memphis in Arkansas, lobbied to get Southwest Airlines service for a time, unsuccessfully. Downtown Memphis i
112 N839MH : I'm hearing now that it could be DFW-LAX to provide feeder service to Delta's LAX to Sydney[Edited 2009-04-22 07:49:28]
113 Burnsie28 : I'm assuming your talking about the Richard Anderson visit to DFW and not what the thread and MEM's new flight will be.
114 Cubsrule : Why would they provoke AA like that?
115 LoneStarMike : Your point about the DFW hub being open is valid, although DL flew this route well before 2003. The DAL-ATL flights operated from July 1, 2000 until
116 Cubsrule : Sorry, right, I should have been clearer-- the DFW hub was open the whole time they flew it.
117 Enilria : I had forgotten that DL flew ATL-DAL from 2000 to 2003. Keep in mind DL didn't shut the DFW hub until Jan05. It seems a lot longer ago doesn't it? So
118 MaverickM11 : I think that's true for any new service at DAL. Even AA's own sh!t show at DAL hurt AA more than it hurt WN .
119 Mayor : My son-in-law was flying the SLC-ASE route with a CR7's when he was still flying for Skywest. I believe that was when the service first started. I ca
120 Enilria : Retaliation is a blunt weapon. Sometimes you wound yourself and always others.
121 Post contains images Tjwgrr : KDAL:
122 DeltaCTO : As discussed in the "Possible Future Routes to Cuba" Forum: 15) DL is interested in serving HAV from JFK and ATL Oh, and one other unnamed city. 30)W
123 Mayor : Well, if you go by the hasn't been served by NW/DL, HAV is out. If you go back to the 50's, DL served HAV.
124 LAXdude1023 : Indeed it is. Almost every airline has retaliated and lost. AA lost at DAL, DL lost at KWI, NW lost trying to fly DFW-LGA, etc. More times than not t
125 Cubsrule : I'd look for ATL-LGA, actually (though I agree with your analysis of what would happen).
126 Post contains links and images DeltaCTO : Here is DL 747 arriving DAL http://oldterminals.topcities.com/love1.html
127 Post contains links and images Mayor : Here's another "widebody" that DL flew into DAL........... View Large View MediumPhoto © Mel Lawrence Seriously tho, we also had DC-10's and L-10
128 Burnsie28 : Seeing how they never flew it, and forced AA to drop their LGA-MSP service rather fast... I would say NW was the winner.
129 Flyibaby : Okay, I understand AA lost at DAL, but has DL already lost at Kuwait? I thought their loads and subsequent yields had improved?
130 Burnsie28 : Service ends soon.
131 Flyibaby : Wow, I must have missed that. Didn't know - thanks.
132 Rampart : Sounds like something said in a Star Trek movie. Except probably not by Klingons. I'm was pretty sure DL didn't have DC10 until later, much after the
133 LAXdude1023 : Thats debatable. Funny thing is that AA flew ATL-LGA until about a year ago.
134 Cubsrule : They did. IIRC, it wasn't started in retaliation for anything, and it seemed to do reasonably well. It stuck around for quite a while.
135 Enilria : Yes and no. The real value of retaliation is in what it discourages from ever happening in the first place. MSP has had almost no low fare service fo
136 Cubsrule : How can a route that doesn't start for another 2 months possibly have caused yields to collapsed already? Or are you saying that advance bookings for
137 USPIT10L : Yes, DL operated DC-10s as a stopgap measure before they took delivery of their L1011s. That makes them the only legacy carrier to ever operate all t
138 Mayor : As Cubsrule said, DL did have 5 DC-10's that they bought, sold to UA and leased back in DL colors as a stopgap until the L-1011's started to arrive.
139 Contrails : Has the press conference ended yet? What is this mysterious new route that we're all waiting to hear about?
140 USPIT10L : Haven't seen a press release regarding a new destination at all. TechOps announced something today. That might have been our big "announcement." I th
141 Burnsie28 : Is it? NW instead of doing LGA-DFW did another route where American Eagle flew to LGA... now IIRC that route AA dropped and NW is still doing it, whi
142 AA 777 : I dont think it had anything to do with NW announcing LGA-DFW. AA's LGA-MSP loads were often horrible. MD80s with 20 people arent going to make money
143 Burnsie28 : He was saying that NW didn't win because they didn't fly the LGA-DFW route. I had heard about AA's "super" loads to MSP-LGA etc. It didn't help that
144 SANFan : Also, Western Airlines, acquired by DL in '87, had DC-10s in their fleet; I believe those kept flying as Delta metal for a while anyway (while DL Tri
145 LoneStarMike : Not that it relates to this thread, but what exactly was discussed by Richard Anderson at the press conference mentioned by N839MH that was allegedly
146 Iowaman : My money is on DAL, considering the fact that MEM-DAL could be ran with A320's "in the future", and is a new unique station. It can also be reached by
147 Jetlanta : Delta thinks no such thing. Enilria does. You should know the difference. Huh? Sort of seems impossible, huh? I mean, I'd have thought it was V Austr
148 OA412 : You seem very fixated on the idea of DL retaliating against everyone. There is more to the airline industry and to new route announcements than retal
149 PVD757 : Didn't have time to read the whole thread. Can someone confirm these are the clues: 1) not a current DL or NW station/airport 2) will be served from M
150 Enilria : Delta announced Dec. 18 and put in their pricing which led to a fare war. That is pretty well established. Those types of deep fare cuts spread backw
151 Mayor : I was reading into it that it was unique in that neither carrier had ever served it before. If that's the case, then DAL doesn't qualify, either as D
152 Post contains links LoneStarMike : Well, United did say in its earnings briefing that of its Pacific network, Australia and China suffered the biggest declines in revenue in the first
153 Jetlanta : Um no. That is not how it works. The fare war that started was for service after Delta's service began. Any fare sale BEFORE that was related to othe
154 OA412 : Not really. Again, DL is not entering the market until July. We are in the midst of a recession and another comeptitor (VAustralia) has added flights
155 Cubsrule : That's my sense too. They cut a lot of other LGA flying-- some of it to OAL hubs-- around the same time.
156 FlyASAGuy2005 : I too am curious about what was said at this press conference, if it even was true. I had always thought AA to have a pretty healthy presence in Atla
157 USPIT10L : Just multiple dailies to ORD, DFW, and MIA. STL also has about six flights a day. They have about 20-25 flights a day.
158 FlyASAGuy2005 : Interesting. Thanks for the info! I know this may be a tad off topic, but who is #3 in Atlanta? (save ASA as they are technically #3).
159 Post contains links LoneStarMike : Here's the page for Atlanta from bts.gov It doesn't include international passengers - domestic only and the data is for the period beginning Februar
160 LAXdude1023 : Nobody won. Thats what Im saying. But get this straight, AA wasnt trying to hurt NW, they were just expanding out of LGA. NW DFW-LGA was retaliation.
161 Enilria : V also announced and that is a big factor as well, but people are acting as if it is unusual for fares to fall in advance of new capacity. For exampl
162 DeltaL1011man : OH could cover it then. My guess is(and just a guess) that it may work if its one or two daily on something like a CR9. DL still has alot of SM merbe
163 DeltaL1011man : Alright.....No LAX-DFW. Anderson was in DFW to talk about MRO work. Thats all.
164 Web : It was mainline on MD-80s, and I think it was 3x daily. I could be wrong on the frequency.
165 Cubsrule : No From CVG? They don't have a real large ATL operation.
166 DeltaL1011man : No but they have a small base. Plus it wouldn't be hard (IMO) for 9E to move a few CR2s/Crews over to the Atlanta base.
167 Cubsrule : Not hard, but not done yet. I think that's because they haven't needed to yet. The Saab and CR9 moves were both done out of necessity (and the CR9 mo
168 DALMD88 : Nothing that relates to this thread was in Anderson's DFW speech. He was the keynote speaker for the MRO conference that was held there. The blurb on
169 Burnsie28 : XJ's flights in SLC are supposidly temporary replacement for skywest flights. There is no XJ base in SLC.
170 Falcon84 : You mean there's actually a city DL doesn't serve out of ATL?
171 SNCntry32 : There is a 'high possibility' that Compass may be opening a SLC base.
172 Txjim : I don't remember if this was for departure or arrival but cars would line the airport fence on Denton Drive just to watch the Delta 747 takeoff/land.
173 Burnsie28 : Last I had heard OO had an exclusive contract to SLC and XJ is only allowed there because in the short term OO is covering other flying with CR9's.
174 MaverickM11 : It's DALMEM, 3x daily. Starts JUL09.
175 Enilria : I know some people will claim this isn't retaliation, but they are out in left field. This is direct reaction to MSP-DEN on WN, although I will admit
176 SANFan : If this is correct, congrats to all who pegged the new station as DAL. Should be interesting to see what happens next (on so many levels...) bb
177 Mayor : How is this retaliation?? The routes are not the same and WN does not fly into MEM. I could see it being retaliation if the new route was MSP-DAL, bu
178 Burnsie28 : Agreed, everyone want's to go to DAL, to their HUBS. AA did point to point BS in retaliation. NW/DL/CO would all like to fly DAL to MSP/DTW/MEM/ATL/J
179 MAH4546 : NW 2673 MEM 0915-1100 DAL CRJ Daily NW 2675 MEM 1400-1545 DAL CRJ Daily NW 2677 MEM 1951-2136 DAL CRJ Daily NW 2672 DAL 0600-0740 MEM CRJ Daily NW 267
180 Enilria : You think DL starting service to WN's headquarters and a city where WN has a 95% share of passenger traffic a couple of weeks after announcing expans
181 Enilria : Not until 2013 they don't. AA just closed the station and CO to IAH is the only remaining service except on WN. As pointed out before, DL Connection
182 FlyPNS1 : But isn't the point of retaliation to do some actual damage to your opponent? This route won't harm WN one bit. If anything, DL will simply cannabali
183 Burnsie28 : Which is why I said Except for the fact that at the time they had a hub in DFW, which is just like UA serving MDW, it didn't work. It wasn't working
184 Enilria : No. Retaliation has two purposes... 1) Hurt your competitor (hopefully more than it hurts you) 2) Discourage future competition by showing your aggre
185 Burnsie28 : Seems to me that you can bet these guys might be hearing from Delta or someone within Delta is going to hear about it seeing how it wasn't supposed t
186 USPIT10L : I know MAH4546 gets his info from GDS sources. I bet that it's already loaded into most booking engines.
187 MAH4546 : Oh please. It is publicly published in the OAG. Anybody can look it up. I won't be hearing from anybody. If it's not supposed to be released until Sa
188 BNAtraveler : Okay, I think that this isn't completely about retaliation (though it is probably a part of it). Remember that CO flies DAL-IAH right now and both DL
189 Cubsrule : ...but they also tried flying to two hubs (ORD and STL). That would certainly fit the pattern we saw in MFE and LBB, both of which now see CRJ servic
190 Nwaesc : Am I the only one on here that sees this a s a bit of a non-event? Yes, I understand the implications of entering DAL (or re-entering in DL's case),
191 LoneStarMike : Seems like this might actually help CO. Right now you can take a short 216 mile flight from DAL to IAH on a regional jet and then at IAH you have the
192 LAXdude1023 : Haha, thats preposterous Burnsie. Its already in OAG. I really dont think so. You might see DAL look something like MDW or HOU. But the only explosio
193 Cubsrule : MEM is more direct to just about anywhere east of the Missouri River. That's a lot more than just the northeast.
194 WorldTraveler : It is a lot of hype about a fairly little announcement. This isn't about retaliation. It's an airport in a major metro area; MEM happens to be a clos
195 SANFan : This is pretty much how I feel about this. The only thing I would also propose is that this could be seen as a bit of a pre-emptive move by Delta, as
196 Enilria : That reminds me. I have some beachfront property that I think you would really love. It's technically in the Everglades, but the view is great when y
197 Cubsrule : Do you feel that the fact that DL has added other MEM-Texas CRJ flying is completely irrelevant?
198 Txjim : So, if Delta could not keep DAL/ATL going, why is DAL/MEM worth setting up a new station?
199 Cubsrule : I think your quote might answer the question... There's no more DFW hub.
200 LoneStarMike : I really don't think this has anything to do with WN's entry into MSP-DEN. NW made it's intention known 3 years ago that they wanted to fly regional
201 AvConsultant : DAL gave the DFW hub relief. I flew ATL-DAL several times on a 40 seater and they were always asking for volunteers to take the DFW flights with a sh
202 FlyPNS1 : But adding DAL-MEM does neither. It doesn't hurt WN and it doesn't really show aggressiveness since the route isn't going to impact WN in any materia
203 Burnsie28 : I was just going by what was said, and Mayor can attest to it as well. You would be surprised as to what Delta goes after.[Edited 2009-04-23 14:35:58
204 ItalianFlyer : WOW 203 posts and growing! You would think Susan Boyle just made a shocking debut on "Memhpis' Got Talent" It will be interesting to see how this play
205 OA412 : Explain why a flight from a hub to a spoke is stupid. I really think you believe this is retaliation because you want to see it as that and nothing e
206 MtnWest1979 : Well, some that may have flown WN from DAL connecting to the East anywhere may travel on DL now. It has more to do with the connecting choices than j
207 Txjim : I was looking at this in terms of local traffic (DAL) to a mega-hub (ATL). Now we have local traffic to a much smaller hub. I really did not see DFW
208 Post contains links LoneStarMike : Let's not forget Legend. Yeah, what is with CO at Love Field? I went over to Love Field's website and looked at the monthly traffic statistics and th
209 DeltaCTO : These flights are available at nwa.com. delta.com does not show anything. No press releases. If you dont know exactly what you are looking for, you w
210 DeltAirlines : He wasn't looking on delta.com or nwa.com. He was looking in the OAG. DL files routings with them; just because they're in the OAG does not mean they
211 MKE22 : If you try late enough, they are on both nwa.com and delta.com.
212 Mayor : Isn't this.................. the same as this??? Don't get all over Burnsie........I think what he's seeing is the same thing I saw......above the ann
213 CO777DAL : CO got rid of the ER3s from their fleet, which meat a cut in the number of flights to DAL. Several were ER3s. (6 or 7 flights were) They also had the
214 DiscoverCSG : Right. They're saving that for the codeshare with Virgin Galactic next year.
215 AvConsultant : These flights will add convenience to the NW & DL customers living east of DFW. Besides if I have the opportunity to bypass ATL, this is a GREAT opti
216 Jfk777 : Given the new NW/DL dynamic, the first international destination would be Paris. London should have been done by NW years ago. Tokyo by an A330-200 fr
217 Atrude777 : 2014 is the actual year. I don't have numbers in front of me, however the timing of it coming after WN announces MSP-DEN is quite the coincedence. Re
218 DeltaL1011man : Don't think so. XJET also had some E145 opps back when they were DCI. ......So any large WN market Delta flys to is then in fact retailiation? With 3
219 Cubsrule : Well, keep in mind what "looks like MDW" really means. Here's what the legacies have at MDW... all 6 legacies have served MDW in the past 5 years. US
220 Breaker1011 : You gotta be kidding me with this thread. 219 posts about a "rumor" speculating on destinations anywhere from Oxnard to Paris? What a waste of space.
221 Atrude777 : Uh, it was confirmed, 3 times daily MEM-DAL, didn't see that? Alex
222 Breaker1011 : Yes, I did see that. Doesn't stop the fact that this is 221 threads now about 3 CRJ's a day from an airline that starts and stops service faster than
223 Post contains links LoneStarMike : And it will be late 2014. The 8-year phase-out period started when the bill was signed into law and I believe that was October 17, 2006.. It's a coin
224 Mayor : And yours is #220. If it bothers you so much, why bother to make a comment?
225 MMEPHX : online and bookable now. $250 RT for the random dates I picked in August. What I don't understand is the 1hr 45m time to go 431 miles. I thought the
226 Cubsrule : I think that's an error. SAT-MEM-- some 200 miles longer-- is blocked between 1:47 and 1:52. Maybe they just loaded a "dummy" schedule into OAG and w
227 Post contains links HB-IWC : This thread has reached well over 200 replies. Please continue the discussion at the following thread on this topic: Delta To Restart Service At Dalla
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