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UA Lays Off 47 At IND  
User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7556 posts, RR: 14
Posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3620 times:

That sounds like everybody there. Are they just contracting it out?


http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=10217375&nav=menu188_2

United Airlines plans to lay off 47 employees at Indianapolis International Airport in June to cut costs.

The affected employees work at ticket and check-in counters and at arrival/departure gates.

United says the layoffs will begin June 16.


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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25570 posts, RR: 86
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3582 times:
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Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
Are they just contracting it out?

A third party vendor:

http://www.indystar.com/article/20090420/BUSINESS/90420055/1003

It doesn't say who.

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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7556 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3554 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 1):
It doesn't say who.

Do they have unilateral ability to do that? Maybe they don't have any mainline any more. I haven't looked lately.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26028 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3544 times:

Kinda old news. Continued push of switching stations from mainline staff to contract/express vendors.

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...general_aviation/read.main/4273553



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User currently offlineWarreng24 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3510 times:



Quoting Enilria (Thread starter):
Are they just contracting it out?

It was announced several months ago (threads here on A.net and on flyertalk.com) that IND is one of the stations which is losing all mainline UA service. IND is going to go all United Express. Therefore, all the UA ground staff can be laid off as a third party vendor will be contracted to provide ground support.

Similar to what happened at PWM several years ago.


User currently offlineIAD51FL From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 354 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3456 times:

Wonder if CO is planning to pick it up....with all the "sharing" planned I would figure they would start sharing handlers. Whomever has the largest presence gets the station.

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User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3420 times:



Quoting Warreng24 (Reply 4):
It was announced several months ago (threads here on A.net and on flyertalk.com) that IND is one of the stations which is losing all mainline UA service. IND is going to go all United Express. Therefore, all the UA ground staff can be laid off as a third party vendor will be contracted to provide ground support.

It's a joke, and absolute joke, that some of the larger cities in the United States like IND, BNA, etc. have absolutely NO UA mainline ops at all. That's just pathetic in my opinion. Especially for an airline like UA.



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User currently offlineJeremy From United States of America, joined May 2001, 668 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3333 times:

Comair will be doing the ground handling.


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User currently offlineDurangomac From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 739 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3308 times:

IND is sadly one of the causalities of the 737 phase out. To add insult to injury, mainline UA agents priced themselves right out of job because they have a decent wage. I would love to see the UA agents keep their jobs but when you drop dead rates like OH it's hard to keep the station.

User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7556 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3257 times:



Quoting Warreng24 (Reply 4):
IND is going to go all United Express.

...and once upon a time they had a mainline maintenance base there...

Quoting Lexy (Reply 6):
NO UA mainline ops at all. That's just pathetic in my opinion.

If I remember the contract, once it converts to all Express and then Express employees after a period of time they can put mainline back in, but now handled by Express. That's probably what they are doing.


User currently offlineNwaesc From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3391 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3048 times:

I read in another thread where in either TUS or MIA the company and the union figured out a way to make the situation work, and the mainline agents are staying.

Too bad that couldn't happen here as well...

[Edited 2009-04-21 01:10:40]


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User currently offlineRampguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3018 times:

I also think it's a joke that Comair is going to handle UAE flights and not their own, when Comair currently does fly into IND. Of course that could change next month as DL switches their connection carrier out of IND every 6 weeks or so.

User currently offlineToltommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3304 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2778 times:



Quoting Rampguy (Reply 11):
I also think it's a joke that Comair is going to handle UAE flights and not their own, when Comair currently does fly into IND.

Comair ground ops is about to become part of the new RHS subsidiary. In a few months it wouldn't be Comair people handling Comair flights anyway. The point of creating RHS is in part to enable DL to get into more ground handling, without using the DL name on the product.


User currently offlineKoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2664 times:

I've been visiting IND from Australia for almost 30 years, and on Sunday the check-in agent told me that she is getting fired because she earns $16 per hour and COMAIR will do the job at $8 per hour.

To an outsider it seems obvious that the USA requires German-style corporate laws which automatically cut executive pay and bonuses when work in the company is outsourced, so that Tilton et al would face automatic 90%+ pay cuts for doing this. Tilton took home $39.7 million in 2006, and under such laws the consequences of the IND outsourcing would be to cap his pay, bonuses and stock options in the 2009-12 period at a maximum of $397,000 per year, which seems frankly overgenerous for a person of his demonstrated level of competence.

The best models overseas are those which prohibit any bonus payments for 3 to 5 years to executives whose companies have outsourced anything.

My flights into and out of IND on UA used to be on a 727,then a 737. Nowadays I fly First Class, which doesn't even exist on the Skywest-operated CRJ200s, and my standard-sized carry-on won't fit the overhead bins.

With Continental entering the Star Alliance I'll look into whether they can offer any more than UA in terms of getting from SFO or LAX to IND.


User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2626 times:



Quoting Koruman (Reply 13):
I've been visiting IND from Australia for almost 30 years, and on Sunday the check-in agent told me that she is getting fired because she earns $16 per hour and COMAIR will do the job at $8 per hour.

Please get the terminology correct. She isn't being fired, she is being laid off. One means you were acting stupid, and one means your position is being eliminated.



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User currently offlineEastern747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2614 times:

I wonder if those affected were given the opportunity to transfer to another location?

User currently offlineRampGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2524 times:



Quoting Eastern747 (Reply 15):
I wonder if those affected were given the opportunity to transfer to another location?

I'm sure they were. UA would be required to offer the employees that option.


User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2177 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2466 times:



Quoting RampGuy (Reply 16):
UA would be required to offer the employees that option.

Most union contracts in this area state that the employee can 'bump' the most junior full time in his classification in the system unless there is a vacancy which must be filled first. Sounds like a contraction so probably a bump to where the low guy is...so someone goes to the street in the end. Believe it was mentioned in the MIA thread that UA can bring mainline back for up to 5 months and not recall per that contract....perhaps that may have originally been an outgrowth of ski season ops in the Rockies.


User currently offlineThebatman From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 849 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2336 times:
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Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 14):
Please get the terminology correct. She isn't being fired, she is being laid off. One means you were acting stupid, and one means your position is being eliminated.

Either way, your job is being taken away from you, along with your dignity. Nothing new for UAL. They might as well start using the name "3rd party vendor airlines".



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User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3152 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2256 times:

Comair is doing it as stated.

I can't freaking wait. The rampers in IND were fantastic and had tons of experience. Now I'll get to deal with people that previously flipped burgers.

EVERY station where I deal with contract versus mainline workers this is the case. The turnover will be insane, staffing inadequate to maximize profits, and the end result will be poor quality.



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