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DL To Charge $50 For 2nd Bag On Intl Flights  
User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3702 posts, RR: 2
Posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 9724 times:

Also hidden in DL's press release that announced the grounding of DL's freighters was the announcement that starting July 1st, DL is going to charge $50 for a 2nd checked bag on international flights, generating over $100 million annually.

I'm pretty mad at DL over this... I have a friend that's a missionary director that will now have to pay a lot more in baggage fees due to this, as they normally fly DL/NW via DTW for African trips (they avoid ORD like the plague). Still, expect other airlines to follow. The fee race continues...


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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8525 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 9705 times:
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Quoting FWAERJ (Thread starter):

Also hidden in DL's press release

perhaps you could include a link in your post ???



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3702 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 9700 times:



Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 1):

perhaps you could include a link in your post ???

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Delta-...ts-March-prnews-14981133.html?.v=1

Look under "Response to Global Recession"



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User currently offlineSampa737 From Brazil, joined May 2005, 637 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 9669 times:

I was wondering when this would happen. I live in Sao Paulo and travel frequently between Brasil and the US. I hate it when my kids say this but, "THIS SUX!"  Smile

Having said that, why don't the airlines just add the U$50 to the price of the ticket? All these extra fees openly stick it to us. If they did it to the price of the ticket, it wouldn't hurt as much!


User currently offlineTradewinds From Japan, joined Jun 2008, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 9628 times:



Quoting Sampa737 (Reply 3):
Having said that, why don't the airlines just add the U$50 to the price of the ticket? All these extra fees openly stick it to us. If they did it to the price of the ticket, it wouldn't hurt as much!

Just adding the price to every ticket means that even pax who travel light have to pay, though. Personally, I like to know exactly what I'm paying for so I'd rather they openly stuck it to me rather than sneaking that extra 100 bucks out of my wallet!  Smile



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User currently onlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6514 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 9618 times:

If DL can make $100 million off of this....good for them, I guess. Still, it's pretty sad to see DL take the lead on this one. Just one more example in a long line of examples of "sticking it to the consumer". I'm not surprised by this at all, to be honest....but it's still a ripoff as far as I'm concerned, and I doubt anyone would be able to change my mind. Same holds true for the first checked bag fee for domestic U.S flights....pathetic!

User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3588 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 9560 times:



Quoting Sampa737 (Reply 3):
I was wondering when this would happen. I live in Sao Paulo and travel frequently between Brasil and the US. I hate it when my kids say this but, "THIS SUX!"

Brasil might be the one country exempted from this charge. Brasil is already exempted from lower per bag weight limits due to Brasilian national laws. A similar law in Brasil would not surprise me, as the Government has a history of enacting these types of populist regulations.


User currently offlineDurangoMac From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 9515 times:



Quoting Sampa737 (Reply 3):
I live in Sao Paulo and travel frequently between Brasil and the US



Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 6):
Brasil might be the one country exempted from this charge. Brasil is already exempted from lower per bag weight limits due to Brasilian national laws. A similar law in Brasil would not surprise me, as the Government has a history of enacting these types of populist regulations.

You beat me to it, yes Brasil has laws in place that don't allow DL to charge the second bag fee and it allows for heavier bags with out fees.

I wonder how many countries are going to take up similar laws?


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7478 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 9453 times:

Im not surprised DL is doing this. What does surprise me is that they are taking the lead on this. DL always has taken the high road on fees and now they are leading the race in baggage fees on flights.

However, I personally say good for them. In these tough times, they need the extra money. We shall see how much they need when we see how much they lost in the 1st quarter.



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User currently offlineIloveboeing From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 789 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 9441 times:

There are those who claim that goal of these bag fees is to offer lower fares and allow people to "pay for what they want." I really don't think that's true.

These airlines are adding fees, but they're not really lowering fares at all. Their goal is to raise fares AND add fees.

For example, I had to pay $522 r/t on AA to fly from the midwest to the east coast, and they are STILL going to charge me bag fees! You would think that would be a full-fare economy ticket, but it isn't! For $500, I should get a hot meal, a PTV with AVOD, and 2 free checked bags!

If they are going to nickel-and-dime us to death, they should actually lower the fares across the board, NOT just where they have competition. If I was paying $149 r/t for my itinerary, then I would understand bag fees, but, for crying out loud, NOT $522!!!!!

I really don't think airlines are giving us what we are paying for. They want to charge us obscenely high fares, and then they want to add bag fees, give us no snacks, and no IFE.

And I don't want to hear the "Oh, but we're getting you there safely from Point A to Point B" excuse! There is no excuse for lousy service.

If I might add, I did get great service on DL (SGF-ATL-CVG) last fall and I paid $440 r/t for my ticket. I was pleased with the service because (1) I got to check 1 free bag, (2) got DL's new PTVs on one of the flights, (3) got friendly cabin crew and (4) got free snacks. Now that is what I'd be willing to pay a premium for.

But these airlines don't deserve a premium for their services if they aren't going to provide you with good service.

I know I was talking about AA, when DL is the topic of this thread, but DL appears to be going to same way AA is. And adding bag fees on international flights is going to really hurt them, reputation-wise.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11406 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 9424 times:
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Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 6):
Brasil might be the one country exempted from this charge. Brasil is already exempted from lower per bag weight limits due to Brasilian national laws. A similar law in Brasil would not surprise me, as the Government has a history of enacting these types of populist regulations

That's only happen when you purchase your ticket in Brazil.

This is not populist, this is a right. Airlines are connecting the country not only because of them, there's an authority to do that, it's a concession, and if they accepted, they have to comply with our laws.If they don't want or believe it's populist, put the planes on other routes.

Thanks to that if we purchase tickets in Brazil we have the right to dispatch two bags for free.

I live in the USA and i believe their premium members wouldn't be affected by this.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7478 posts, RR: 24
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 9409 times:



Quoting Iloveboeing (Reply 9):
These airlines are adding fees, but they're not really lowering fares at all.

You have to be joking!

Air Fare is so much lower than it was last year. I just paid less than $500 for my flight to FRA on AA in May. Ive seen DL fares at $400 tax included from LAX to various points in Europe.

Fares are much much lower than they were.



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User currently offlineIloveboeing From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 789 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 9384 times:



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 11):
I just paid less than $500 for my flight to FRA on AA in May.

Really? Sounds good. Then explain why I had to pay $522 r/t to fly SGF-DFW-BWI on AA in May, when booking two months IN ADVANCE???

Why do people like me, in the small communities, have to pay higher fares to go shorter distances than those going to Europe, flying much longer distances? It just makes no sense!

Another question, why do these airlines (and some on a.net) act like lower airfares are a cardinal sin?


User currently offlineSampa737 From Brazil, joined May 2005, 637 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 9373 times:

Interestingly, I went to the Delta sight and right now, you can't access the baggage allowance page. I wondered the same if Brasil might be exempted. And, yes, that's tickets originating in Brasil. I understood purchased in Brasil but I've purchased in the US and have had no problems.

And, I have found fares under U$1,000 for later in the fall when last year we were looking at U$1,300-U$1,600!


User currently offlineDavescj From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 2305 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 9373 times:

I was very disappointed to see this. So much for DL becoming a leading premier airline.

Dave



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User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3678 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 9297 times:



Quoting Sampa737 (Reply 13):
I understood purchased in Brasil but I've purchased in the US and have had no problems.

That's because some airlines don't enforce that regulation, especially US airlines. European airlines on the other hand are very strict about it, though I must say that I think it depends on your origin, not the country where you made the purchase. For example, I have bought a ticket in Germany for a Brazil-Germany-Brazil round-trip and I was able to take the 32kg per bag.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11406 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 9283 times:
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Quoting Sampa737 (Reply 13):
Interestingly, I went to the Delta sight and right now, you can't access the baggage allowance page. I wondered the same if Brasil might be exempted. And, yes, that's tickets originating in Brasil. I understood purchased in Brasil but I've purchased in the US and have had no problems

The change is from new tickets, not the old ones, and wherever you purchase, if your trip begins in Brazil, will apply Brazilian Regulations.



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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8158 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 9270 times:

I just think this is bad in general. I really don't understand airline management for doing this. Airline fares are ridiculously complex as they are, hardly anyone of the general public understands it, so if they were to add an extra few bucks to certain fares across the board, I doubt anyone would notice it, DL would make the same $100 million and in the process avoid bad publicity.

User currently offlineSmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1524 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 9271 times:

I think this is a really interesting one, as far as I am aware (and I may certainly be wrong some one please correct me if I am) it is only flights to and from the Americas (North, South, Central wherever on the North and South American continents) where pax are permitted to take two bags (at 23kg is it, thus a total of 46kg) all other regions generally allow economy pax 20kg (sometimes 30kg) of luggage on their ticket (I believe that this is IATA standard) over a number of bags if they wish with a discretionary allowance give to check-in agents for excess (varying from 3-8kg) plus frequent flyer allowances.

I think charging for anything more than the allotted weight (or number of bags in this case) is fair, perhaps they should simply bring their ticketing in-line with the rest of the world. How much do people really need to take?

My feelings is as above bring their baggage allowances in-line with the rest of the world both domestically and internationally, one bag at 20kg for economy, with special deals for extra luggage and promotional deals to areas that require large amounts of luggage (Africa, India, Middle-East) think how much they would save on fuel costs, and if the rest of the world can pack this way I'm sure Americans can manage too!


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7478 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 9269 times:



Quoting Iloveboeing (Reply 12):
Then explain why I had to pay $522 r/t to fly SGF-DFW-BWI on AA in May, when booking two months IN ADVANCE???

Because your coming from a small town. Im coming from Los Angeles, a city with lots of competition. If SGF had all major carriers flying there, it would have much lower fares. Its all about compeition, not distance.



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User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2332 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 9176 times:



Quoting Iloveboeing (Reply 9):
For example, I had to pay $522 r/t on AA to fly from the midwest to the east coast, and they are STILL going to charge me bag fees! You would think that would be a full-fare economy ticket, but it isn't! For $500, I should get a hot meal, a PTV with AVOD, and 2 free checked bags!

I agree that for that fare you should have had all those amenities.

Quoting Iloveboeing (Reply 9):
I know I was talking about AA, when DL is the topic of this thread, but DL appears to be going to same way AA is. And adding bag fees on international flights is going to really hurt them, reputation-wise.

Just an FYI, AA does NOT charge for the second bag on international flights. Let's not start something that does not even exist.

http://www.aa.com/aa/i18nForward.do?...ageAllowance.jsp&anchorEvent=false

Quoting Iloveboeing (Reply 12):
Another question, why do these airlines (and some on a.net) act like lower airfares are a cardinal sin?

There is nothing wrong with lower fares, it's when the general public feel that lower fares entitle them to 1960s 707 Susy Stewardess caviar service. I believe in you get what you pay for. Want lower fares? Expect to pay for amenities. I love it on B6 when people ask for a pillow/blanket and the answer is $7! The look is priceless. If people only knew how dirty airline blankets are, they would not be asking for one. At least at B6 you get a new one.

Times change, people change. Adapt.



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User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2816 posts, RR: 45
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 9061 times:



Quoting Sampa737 (Reply 3):
Having said that, why don't the airlines just add the U$50 to the price of the ticket? All these extra fees openly stick it to us. If they did it to the price of the ticket, it wouldn't hurt as much!

Because those of us who pack efficiently in one bag shouldn't have to subsudize those don't.

I actually don't like the unbundling of fares in general, but people have been screaming for the cheapest possible tickets, and airlines are giving them what they want.

If you don't want to pay the fee, take less stuff with you.


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4741 posts, RR: 45
Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 9052 times:

If consumers want greyhound fares, let them pay ancillary fees. Good on Delta on this one for leading the charge.

To quote a great movie of all time..."They knew what they were getting into, I say...."



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User currently offlineSmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1524 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8970 times:



Quoting FWAERJ (Thread starter):
DL is going to charge $50 for a 2nd checked bag on international flights,

How heavy is are the bags allowed to be (not over 32kg for OHS) before excess luggage is charged?
And how does this compare internationally;
from a) flight to and from North and South America (following IATA guidelines)
and b) flights out side North America (ie Europe to Asia)

At EK for instance pax (to all destinations except South and North America and a few other deals) are permitted 20kg of luggage, plus three KG discretionary. Excess is charged at Aud$50 PER KILOGRAM from Australia to the Middle-East and North Africa,
Aud$70 per kilogram from Australia to Europe and Africa,
Aud$30 between Australian and Singapore
and Aud$15 a kilogram between Australian and New Zealand.

From my perspective Usd$50 for one bag seems like a bargan!!


User currently offlineHatbutton From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1500 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8926 times:



Quoting Iloveboeing (Reply 12):
Really? Sounds good. Then explain why I had to pay $522 r/t to fly SGF-DFW-BWI on AA in May, when booking two months IN ADVANCE???

Unfortunately it's just simple supply and demand. If small communities were profitable at low fares then Essential Air Service would never have been invented. Yeah SGF is not EAS but without competition and a huge pax base, that's how the economics are going to work.

Quoting AA767400 (Reply 20):
There is nothing wrong with lower fares, it's when the general public feel that lower fares entitle them to 1960s 707 Susy Stewardess caviar service. I believe in you get what you pay for. Want lower fares? Expect to pay for amenities. I love it on B6 when people ask for a pillow/blanket and the answer is $7! The look is priceless. If people only knew how dirty airline blankets are, they would not be asking for one. At least at B6 you get a new one.

Times change, people change. Adapt.

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Couldn't have said it any better. Even if you look at fares today compared to the 1980s...the price today is 50% lower when you factor in inflation. Yet everyone still wants to have their cake and eat it too. You have to choose either better service or lower fares, and the consensus from pax is lower fares. So you'll get what you pay for.

Maybe I'm different, but unless I'm flying international...I have never looked at flying as anything more than just getting from point A to point B. It's just transportation, not a Vegas show. Probably why I have rarely been disappointed. The only time I get annoyed while flying is when there are delays and we are not being updated with timely information. Other than that...I rarely check a bag, and could care less if I have TVs at my seat or food. I bring a book and plop down in my window seat and am happy.

After all, rarely is anyone (other than A.netters) flying just to fly. They are flying to get somewhere and as long as we get there within a reasonable time then I don't see the problem. I don't even see why we "expect" FA's to serve us drinks. There are no FA's on most trains and buses...and nobody seems to mind. I love flying as much as the next person on this board, but really, the purpose is to get from point A to B. That's it.


25 Coolfish1103 : Shame on DL. It's okay... I don't take them unless they are the only choice anyways. It's just now we will factor in the $50/OW or $100/RT bag fees th
26 Klkla : If passengers had complained and protested the initial fees airlines would not be adding more (by protesting I mean boycotting the initial airlines th
27 Eghansen : I doubt that Delta will make $100 million from the charge or even close. Because checking bags has been free for so long, Americans are used to carry
28 IliriBDL : Something Doug Parker has said time after time and yet being accused of not wanting to take care of customers, etc. It's basically business now, espe
29 Airbazar : Which is why they can't make a profit and are the perenial crap of the global airline industry. That may work for domestic travel but for internation
30 Cadet57 : Surely you cant be serious....
31 Ikramerica : If this is a response to hard times, when times return to "boom" at some point in the future, will the response be to return all the services to a fr
32 Hatbutton : While I mostly agree, this is the first time fees to this extent have been implemented. So none of us truly know if it is a one way street. It didn't
33 Ikramerica : That's a good point. My point was more that if it 'sticks' right now, they won't repeal it when times are better. So the reason they give for having
34 Hatbutton : Yeah exactly. It's possible they've wanted to implement these kinds of fees for a long time. And now is the perfect time to half mask it as being a n
35 Ikramerica : Which means that during the next bust cycle, they won't have anything left to charge for, so they'll try to increase the fees on things they already
36 OA412 : He is. And don't call him Shirley.
37 764 : You got to be kidding me.... They even make their Sky Miles Silver Elite members pay this stupid new fee. This is just insane. And I thought Delta was
38 DLPMMM : I am serious...and quit calling me Shirley. US carriers are now doing better financially than many of their foreign counterparts, so apparently they
39 Hatbutton : Not unless Michael O'Leary ever gets his way
40 SR183 : I have to agree to this..This surcharge will force passengers to pack bags responsibly in terms of what they take want to transport...Not a popular d
41 Cadet57 : I just want to wish you both good luck. We're all counting on you.
42 CasInterest : I think there needs to be a truth in advertising demand by travel agents, and travel web sites that equitably compare the price of service for a base
43 Ikramerica : Maybe the search engines should add a "number of checked bags" box next to "number of pax" so that the fees can be calculated on the front end and th
44 CMHARJ : Ok, when people go on vacation, at most it's usually 7 days. So are you telling me you absolutely have to have 100lbs of to take with you? (2 bags/50l
45 YULWinterSkies : I would just be curious to know the average luggage weight per pax over the whole year and the whole network. Dubious it is above 20 kg... Perhaps du
46 Imiakhtar : It's interesting you should say this. My family often travel MAN-DXB-ISB on EK and regularly take 30kg checked as well as an additional 7kg carry-on.
47 Max550 : I don't see what the big deal is. I'm surprised they haven't charged for a second bag in the past, who really needs two checked bags and a carry-on wh
48 FlyPNS1 : Just remember that when DL makes more cuts to the SkyMiles program.... Many of the cheerleaders like to bolster Delta as becoming a "premier" airline
49 Ikramerica : Luggage itself can be heavy, especially durable luggage with features like suit compartments, wheels and extension handles. So it's more like 35 poun
50 SR183 : I guess your family buy tickets from the agent who has some connections to the sub-continent. You will see the baggage allowances written on the tick
51 Airbazar : I'm sure this will happen sooner or later. As it is today you have web sites that quote fares that include all the fees and websites that quote fares
52 HeeseokKoo : Not at all. But it's an issue for foreign students like me who studies at USA but based on abroad. 2 free checkin baggage was very helpful when start
53 AWACSooner : Coming from a former multi-year medallion member, THIS IS COMPLETE AND UTTER BS!! The only thing that DL is about to do is alienate a boatload of thei
54 Goomba : Well - you can always travel the foreign carriers. They mostly go by a 2 piece 50 lb free baggage policy for economy class and a 2 piece 75 lb free ba
55 HeeseokKoo : I'm not sure what happens if I take DL for AUS-ATL and KE for ATL-ICN as a single itinerary published by KE. When I check-in two baggages at DL count
56 FlyABR : is there such a thing as "customer service" without fees anymore on US airlines?? this is a bad descision on DL's part. almost as bad as having to pay
57 Par13del : Sounds like voodoo economics to me, at least the $100 million. 1. Americans are already paying for first bags domestically, so it fair to assume that
58 Commavia : Hi. Welcome to the 21st century. Iloveboeing, meet 2009, 2009, Iloveboeing. I mean, seriously. Do you honestly believe this? In this day and age, whe
59 Post contains links Flood : Aviation week ran an article today indicating: "The new fee won't apply to customers flying on first or business class or full coach fares, frequent f
60 Tjcab : Let's remember that back in the days when thr rest of the world had a 1 bag 20Kg in rule economy class (approx 44lb), flights to the US and Canada en
61 9252fly : What some of us forget is that these new fees tend to change the behavior of passengers in regards to how much they really feel is necessary to take a
62 LAXdude1023 : You could take AA to DFW and pick up KE from DFW to ICN and not have to worry about any of it. I have a close friend who lives in Austin who is Korea
63 FlyABR : i don't buy that for a second! the airlines would love nothing more than for every passenger to check 2 or 3 bags and have to pay a price for each of
64 Hatbutton : Well buying a ticket at the counter I get. But if you call a number, I can understand a charge. It's an extra person and infrastructure needed to boo
65 Par13del : And that is where our regulators are letting us the consumer down. These are for the most part new fees, so what has changed on the customer side for
66 Smi0006 : But this is the question I am trying to establish how are they screwing you? Outside of travel to and from North/South American continent you are gen
67 DeltaL1011man : I have to agree. "we want low fares, free checked bags, free food, free drinks" so they get the super low fares but then b**h about the fees. Its a p
68 JMBWEEBOY : Its called "destroying demand" for your own product. Delta, the next "Air Amtrak" owned by the US Government! JMBWEEBOY
69 Captaink : You see that is the problem, I am not seeing this cheapest possible tickets. I have been flying some of the same routes for years, and my fares consi
70 Commavia : Well, that's you. But the fact remains that - on average - domestic air fare, adjusted for inflation, is at levels lower than it has been, generally
71 Ikramerica : It came from competing with USA based carriers who had 2 free bags.
72 Vfw614 : I travelled recently on EK from Europe to NZ. Departing from Europe, my overweight luggage was not an issue, whereas I was made repacking when depart
73 Cadet57 : Funny, considering you can check up to two bags, at 50lbs apice absolutely free on Amtrak.
74 Ikramerica : Yep, and now that they are charging for first baggage and excess weight so regularly, these should be regulated and inspected and the airlines fined.
75 Tradewinds : See, I wouldn't mind various extra fees if it meant that the quality of the service I was getting would improve in some way; unfortunately people are
76 Smi0006 : Depends on when you travelled, the discretionary allowances changed from 8kg to 5kg to 3kg in last year, further more EK reps as far as I am aware ar
77 Vfw614 : Just to prove your point: On said flight, the CSR told me that my suitcase was 25kg (which I am sure it was not) and that I had to take out 5kg if I
78 Commavia : That's what happens when you're paying economically unsustainable fares to begin with. When fares are not high enough to support the cost of providin
79 Jetlanta : Shame on you for making sense and not jumping on the hysteria bandwagon! Let's see how many people actually read your post and acknowledge the truth
80 Aeroflot777 : You don't have to take DL, but don't worry, your favorite U.S. based carrier will most likely administer the same fee in the near future. Just wait.
81 OA412 : Agree with you. We here in the US have become very spoiled. However, let's face it, how many of us actually need 100 lbs worth of items on a 5-7 day
82 Ikramerica : And take as many carry ons as you want, and just stick them all in the overhead, under your feet, etc.
83 Eghansen : I can give you an explanation for why, but it still might not make any sense. In the US, airlines have always permitted 2 bags domestically. Until th
84 PHKLM : As DL own NW, NW has a JV with KLM, and AF owns KLM, I think it's not too impossible to see KL/AF follow suit. It doesn't make much sense if you have
85 Smi0006 : Haha yeah indeed, I think I had to post my thoughts a few times to get it read I hoped the longer post would have more impact and grab peoples attent
86 Ual777 : You should get a safe flight. SGF-DFW-BWI is quite a long flight. For $250 each way you are saving about 20-25 hours driving, gas, and hotel (EACH WA
87 Jmbweeboy : Such a move by Delta if matched by most other carriers would for e.g. destroy the very lucrative market of air-sea passengers to the Meditteranean and
88 Airbazar : So explain to the rest of us why is it that there are airlines operating in the same exact market (WN), who manage to remain profitable while chargin
89 DLPMMM : Ummm, Not to confuse things with facts, but WN has lost money for the past three quarters.
90 Hohd : Even if other US carriers follow suit, DL and other airlines will continue to lose money because they will lose enough passengers to foreign carriers
91 DLPMMM : Ummm, DL would have been profitable last quarter except for underwater fuel hedges and DL also said they expect to be profitable for the full year ev
92 Hohd : So you believe DL regarding their profits. This airline has not been profitable for more than 4 years. The deep discount will become necessary after D
93 Jetlanta : And doesn't fly internationally. But other than that, the analogy is great!
94 Airbazar : Yes, let not do that. WN reported a profit of $178 Million in 2008, and will likely have a profitable year in 2009 too. The last few quarters were no
95 DLPMMM : DL's management has generally been very reliable in their predictions for income/losses for the upcoming year. Do you have a more authotitative predi
96 Augustrg : Very interesting post! I had no idea this was the case. I never have more than one bag to check. So in essence, DL is bringing their baggage product
97 EMB170 : It's not like DL is saying that *any* checked bag internationally will be subject to a $50 fee (like you have to pay for bag check domestically). If t
98 Hatbutton : To be fair, I don't think you can assume WN makes money on every route they fly. WN actually on a lot of their routes is not the cheapest airline. I
99 Ojas : AFAIK, travel outside of the Americas a 20 Kg is the written rule and it varies on certain airlines. However one must remember that there is no writt
100 FlyABR : there never has been a free lunch and noboby is asking for that. just quit the escalating irritation with these new fees and put the cost of hauling
101 Hatbutton : I agreed with you on buying the ticket at the airport. I didn't agree with the call center. Good point.
102 PA101 : I have ALWAYS wondered about this myself. How come that the official IATA rules apply the piece system (2 pieces of 50 lbs each) for flights to the A
103 764 : For what it is worth.... Delta just updated their rules and now Silver's are also exempt from the second bag fee. Let's hope it stays that way. At the
104 Ikramerica : No business must make money every year for eternity to be well run. In reality, the fact that WN has lost money this year and has decided to eat it r
105 Smi0006 : No I'm sorry at least at EK this is not the case, you cannot add your hand luggage allowance into your checked luggage allowance (exceptions are made
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