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TAM Second Daily SCL Flight  
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 2357 times:

As discussed here before, TAM loaded its second daily GRU-SCL flight starting 16 May 2009:

JJ8026 GRU0830 - 1130SCL 77W D
JJ8028 GRU1830 - 2130SCL 320 D

JJ8029 SCL0700 - 1150GRU 320 D
JJ8027 SCL1250 - 1725GRU 77W D

The second daily flight JJ8028/JJ8029 will operate GIG-GRU-SCL in 2-class configuration with the A320. The flight came after LX suspended its tag-on leg GRU-SCL. GOL/VARIG also reduced GRU-SCL from daily to twice weekly (weekends only).

There are roumors that LAN is planning to operate GIG-SCL A320, but nothing confirmed yet, perhaps the flight could come as seasonal in July only.

Rgs,

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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7619 posts, RR: 42
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2317 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Thread starter):
There are roumors that LAN is planning to operate GIG-SCL A320, but nothing confirmed yet, perhaps the flight could come as seasonal in July only.

Currently LA flies SCL-GRU-GIG, right?



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineAF086 From France, joined Jan 2007, 1063 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 2291 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Thread starter):
perhaps the flight could come as seasonal in July only.

That's just not enough. There is market for at least one or two daily nonstop year round services between GIG and SCL.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 1):
Currently LA flies SCL-GRU-GIG, right?

Yes.



Please insert a "smart" joke here.
User currently offlineC010T3 From Brazil, joined Jul 2006, 3728 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2283 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Thread starter):
The second daily flight JJ8028/JJ8029 will operate GIG-GRU-SCL in 2-class configuration with the A320.

Note that that tag substitutes the previous independent JJ3520 and JJ3521, which makes GIG-GRU an all internationalised route for TAM. GRU-GIG still keeps the lonely JJ3510, which is bound to become the extension of JJ8019 once the international network is expanded.
After years of giving little importance to the comfort of GIG-bound passengers, JJ is recognising their importance for the hub at GRU, increasing the internationalised options between both airports season by season.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2280 times:



Quoting EddieDude (Reply 1):
Currently LA flies SCL-GRU-GIG, right?

LA operates SCL-GRU-GIG twice daily (B767+A320), in addition LA runs SCL-GRU dedicated twice daily (B767+A320).

LA also operates LIM-GRU A320 10/11 weekly and EZE-GRU B767 daily. You can see that LA has a strong presence in the Brazilian market.

Quoting AF086 (Reply 2):
That's just not enough. There is market for at least one or two daily nonstop year round services between GIG and SCL.

This is true, LA used to operate this route year-around but has since dropped the flight. GIG already has nonstop service to EZE, LIM, PTY, MVD but no service nonstop to SCL.

Rgs,


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11458 posts, RR: 58
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2061 times:
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And TAM got the 7 rights previously used by Varig.

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 3):
After years of giving little importance to the comfort of GIG-bound passengers, JJ is recognising their importance for the hub at GRU, increasing the internationalised options between both airports season by season.

And we can probably credit this to the fact that they need to offer a good quantity of seats and connections to their 2nd largest market, which is just around 40% of leisure demand (just considering Rio and Buzios as city's) and 20% of business.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 4):
LA also operates LIM-GRU A320 10/11 weekly

Mostly weeks, just 9x weekly. And in fact they can fly only 10x weekly as they only hold 10 frequencies, Taca have another 18 but it's currently using just 15 (11x GRU 4x GIG) but they will transfer these additional 3 to make LIM-GIG daily soon.

Quoting Hardiwv (Thread starter):
JJ8028 GRU1830 - 2130SCL 320 D

JJ8029 SCL0700 - 1150GRU 320 D

Complete Schedule in fact is:

8028 GIG 1615 GRU 1725 1830 SCL 2130 A32A*
8029 SCL 0700 GRU 1150 1300 GIG 1410 A32A
* A32A is an Airbus A320 with 12C 144Y



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2053 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 5):
Mostly weeks, just 9x weekly. And in fact they can fly only 10x weekly as they only hold 10 frequencies, Taca have another 18 but it's currently using just 15 (11x GRU 4x GIG) but they will transfer these additional 3 to make LIM-GIG daily soon.

Apparently LA will scale back LIM-GRU to daily A319. Since TAM started LIM-GRU daily 2-class A320 LA had to reduce its operations LIM-GRU. Perhaps LA is eyeing LIM-GIG in future.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 5):
And we can probably credit this to the fact that they need to offer a good quantity of seats and connections to their 2nd largest market, which is just around 40% of leisure demand (just considering Rio and Buzios as city's) and 20% of business.

Brazil is LAN biggest foreign market, GRU alone accounts for 13% of LA total international traffic (ranked no. 2 behind EZE which has 14% market share). GRU and GIG combined would make about 18 or 20% of LA total international traffic, by far the biggest international market.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 5):
And in fact they can fly only 10x weekly as they only hold 10 frequencies

It would be a good move if TA could indeed confirm LIM-GIG daily. Business Peru-Brazil is growing quickly.

Rgs,


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11458 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2022 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 6):
It would be a good move if TA could indeed confirm LIM-GIG daily. Business Peru-Brazil is growing quickly

Hardi, they hardly try to keep (i use keep because i know it's sustainable) a SCL-GIG flight. For LA, GIG is just a feed operation. Good for TA that is probably getting nice results and confirmed a while ago that they will go for a daily LIM-GIG service.
In my view, SCL is bigger than LIM.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 6):
Brazil is LAN biggest foreign market, GRU alone accounts for 13% of LA total international traffic (ranked no. 2 behind EZE which has 14% market share). GRU and GIG combined would make about 18 or 20% of LA total international traffic, by far the biggest international market.

Considering mostly Brazilian traffic flows thru GRU, where non-stop departs and connections with JJ are available, it just show how GIG represents a lot, at least 5 to 7%. And probably is the most important station without non-stop service.



New York + Rio de Janeiro = One of the best combinations !
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2005 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 7):
Hardi, they hardly try to keep (i use keep because i know it's sustainable) a SCL-GIG flight. For LA, GIG is just a feed operation. Good for TA that is probably getting nice results and confirmed a while ago that they will go for a daily LIM-GIG service.
In my view, SCL is bigger than LIM.

I agree SCL-GIG market is bigger than LIM-GIG, at least twice the size both business and leisure. As I said here many times, SCL-GIG nosntop is the major missing air-link in GIG at the moment. The problem of Chile-Brazil is the duopoly of TAM/LAN that provides no incentive for fare and service competition, the only airline which could have explored this market niche GOL.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 7):
Considering mostly Brazilian traffic flows thru GRU, where non-stop departs and connections with JJ are available, it just show how GIG represents a lot, at least 5 to 7%. And probably is the most important station without non-stop service.

I agree that GIG must be LA largest non nonstop market worldwide and it is surprising that "just" months ago LA actually opened its own office in Rio.

Rgs,


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