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AA New B737 Exit Row Window Seats  
User currently offlineAAAL From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 125 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5405 times:

Does anyone know why they have been placed out of service?

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User currently offlineDtw757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1528 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5052 times:

What makes you think they have been placed out of service? Passengers are schedule to sit in them today.


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User currently onlineMGASJO From Nicaragua, joined Feb 2005, 463 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (4 years 12 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4875 times:

Quoting Dtw757What makes you think they have been placed out of service? Passengers are schedule to sit in them today.
(Reply 1):

Negative. Seats 14A, 14F, 15A, 15F (Window exits) are blocked and not to be used. Still don't know the reason why, but we are waiting for a solution from the manufacturer.

[Edited 2009-04-24 08:05:15]


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User currently offlineDTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1528 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (4 years 12 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4853 times:

Oh I missed the "window" seat in this topic.


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User currently offlineAAAL From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 125 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (4 years 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4465 times:

Still Out of service as of Today! any Ideas?

User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1448 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (4 years 12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4440 times:

Knowing interior compliance issues in my profession, my guess is due to the new seating arrangement and seats.

Normally, seats right adjacent to an emergency exit have special stub armrests and low profile seat cushions to comply with strict 14CFR Part 25 regulations on access and clearance to the exit.

When this aircraft went through its Boeing DER interior compliance before delivery, he/she may have had an issue with the clearance of this seat to the exit. Since the seat may have to be modified and something that cannot be done quickly, he/she may have approved the configuration with a restriction that these seats not be occupied until the problem is corrected at a later date.

Keep in mind that I do not know the reason, but this would be my guess or likely reason.



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User currently offlineAA777LVR From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 199 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (4 years 12 months ago) and read 4129 times:

When I took the employee tour of the "new" 737's in ORD I sat in these seats. They are extremely uncomfortable. There's little or no cushion on the seat. It feels like you're sitting on a piece of cement covered in cloth. If it meant the difference between getting home or not...I would endure it, but it was awfully uncomfortable. I believe (and may be wrong) that the seats were made available to use the innaugural day of ops (the ORD-MSP-ORD-LAX-ORD run) and by the second day they were being blocked. I don't know if something came down from HDQ or that there was a backlash from the initial passengers that they were unsuitable for use, etc.

A captain was mentioning about the removal of the cushion to comply with a CFR about clear access and the cushion being too high. Thank you US government beauacracy!!! ugggghhh!!

-AA777LVR


User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1448 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3861 times:



Quoting AA777LVR (Reply 6):
A captain was mentioning about the removal of the cushion to comply with a CFR about clear access and the cushion being too high. Thank you US government beauacracy!!! ugggghhh!!

Then this is exactly the reason as I stated in my reply. Almost all seats directly next to an exit have low profile cushions to comply with the exit access and clearance. If its got a standard cushion that is too tall, then its violating 14CFR Part 25. Yeah, many consider some of these regulations government bureaucracy, but they are the design/build standard for commercial aircraft and must be complied with. Where the frustration lies, is in how one interprets them and how to comply as they are often vague in specifics and many in the FAA and their DERs have widely differing viewpoints.



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User currently offlineAA777LVR From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 199 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3632 times:

Since the 737's haven't been in ORD in years and I've only occasionally been one them via DFW or MIA, etc......what about the exit windows on the initial batch of AA 737's (NC's N3AA-N3DL)? Have these been modified to be "low profile" as well? It seems I've sat in them in the past and they had an adequate amount of padding as on any other seat in the cabin. Why the difference now?

I understand CFR's, but realistically...is putting a small amount of padding to make these seats bearable going to be the difference between a safe emergency exit and the alternative? Was there an incident that precipitated this CFR where the height of the seat cushions near the exits impeded passengers from exciting during an emergency? Curious......

-AA777LVR


User currently offlineTZTriStar500 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1448 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (4 years 11 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3354 times:



Quoting AA777LVR (Reply 8):
I understand CFR's, but realistically...is putting a small amount of padding to make these seats bearable going to be the difference between a safe emergency exit and the alternative? Was there an incident that precipitated this CFR where the height of the seat cushions near the exits impeded passengers from exciting during an emergency? Curious......

While I agree with you and logically, common sense should prevail, but when it comes to government regulations, there is often no way around it but to comply with whatever the FAA inspector or DER wants to see as they control the airworthiness of the product.

In this case, the applicable CFR is 14CFR Part 25.813(c)(2)(i) For airplanes that have a passenger seating configuration of 20 or more, the projected opening of the exit provided must not be obstructed and there must be no interference in opening the exit by seats, berths, or other protrusions (including any seatback in the most adverse position) for a distance from that exit not less than the width of the narrowest passenger seat installed on the airplane.

My guess is that the current cushion or something else somehow protrudes into the opening and the DER does not like it so placed a restriction on it until it gets corrected.

As for why the other AA 738s are not the same, I understand the new aircraft have a different seating arrangement and it may be that the other aircraft are different in the area of the overwing exits so there is no problem. I do not have layout details so I can't truly answer this.



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