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Spirit Air - How Long Can They Last?  
User currently offlineColinatl From Colombia, joined Jul 2005, 40 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6510 times:

Can anyone comment on Spirit Air's ability to continue in this current economic climate?

How are they doing financially?

How can they make any money offering $33 fares?

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User currently onlineBMI727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 15780 posts, RR: 27
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6465 times:

I don't really know. I think that they are a privately owned company so they don't publish financial data.


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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4274 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6453 times:

Spirit has been around for years and speculation of their demise (including by me) has thankfully been proven wrong so far. They are a privately owned company so complete access to their financials is not available although a lot of guesses and analyzing can be done.

Quoting Colinatl (Thread starter):
How can they make any money offering $33 fares?

Don't forget that they have moved into the Ryanair mold where they offer cheap (loss-leader) fares and then charge for practically everything else. As long as you don't bring any luggage, want a window seat, a pre-booekd seat, any drinks/snacks on board or any other 'perks', then they are a decent bargain. What they may lose in charging so little for a ticket they generally make up by these secondary revenue streams.

Does it work? They are currently the largest carrier at FLL (yes, bigger than JetBlue, Southwest, AirTran) and they have had a major Caribbean push in the past few years. I don't necessarily like their business model but they are still around. Not all airlines that have operated in the last 15 years can say that...



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User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7533 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6388 times:



Quoting Richierich (Reply 2):
don't necessarily like their business model but they are still around. Not all airlines that have operated in the last 15 years can say that...

True, but during those 15 years, NK hasn't always followed the FR mold; the major a-la-carte approach has only been in place for about a year or two.



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User currently onlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5076 posts, RR: 28
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6378 times:



Quoting Colinatl (Thread starter):
Can anyone comment on Spirit Air's ability to continue in this current economic climate?

How are they doing financially?

How can they make any money offering $33 fares?

I am confident that Spirit is doing very well, even in this economic climate. They have very low costs, and fuel is at levels to help costs. Overall, most airlines are showing profits.



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User currently offlineUnmlobo From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 207 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6142 times:

I don't necessarily like their business model either, but I am going to give them a try this weekend. Making a day trip down to the Miami Area from Orlando on Sunday, Spirit had a $50 off roundtrip coupon on their website, and since the fare was less than $50 I only had to pay the taxes and fees which came to $31 roundtrip. Thats cheaper than gas would have been so I can't complain.


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User currently offlineAnetter123 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5451 times:

I don't know anything about their finances or how they operate as an airline, but I would say its safe to assume that because of their international operations that they are doing far better then a lot of other airlines.

Not to mention their largest hub is based out of FLL instead of MIA (which is a cheaper airport to operate from). Domestically they attract a lot of local traffic in S. Fla with their fares to certain places like NYC. They do "nickel and dime" a lot once you purchase a ticket, but if it works for their business model then hats off to them. In the end, after one pays all that money to pre-assign a seat and check in a bag...a ticket with them roundtrip FLL-NYC is still cheaper then MIA-NYC...lol.


User currently onlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5076 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5354 times:



Quoting Unmlobo (Reply 5):
I don't necessarily like their business model either, but I am going to give them a try this weekend. Making a day trip down to the Miami Area from Orlando on Sunday, Spirit had a $50 off roundtrip coupon on their website, and since the fare was less than $50 I only had to pay the taxes and fees which came to $31 roundtrip. Thats cheaper than gas would have been so I can't complain.

How could you not like their business model, when you just got your trip for only $31 round trip? If Spirit would just start flying west, and add SEA to its route map, I would be loving its business model!  Smile



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User currently offlineEwRkId From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5338 times:

I just flew NK ACY-MCO-ACY a week or two ago ( I usually fly CO out of EWR.) Seems to me they were doing good, the flight was filled to the brim both ways, the aircraft were in good condition and the service you had to pay for everything, yes it is a bummer. But it was fast( unlike my Us Airways experience PHL-MBJ-PHL, they were the slowest crew i have ever seen.) Also both flights were ON-TIME!!! Big grin

User currently offlineIlanbwoy From Jamaica, joined Feb 2009, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5183 times:

I dont know how they do it either, but i joined their $9 fare club last year and it has been a great thing for me. I travel back and forth to Fll from ATL and in the 5 or 6 times i have done it, i have never paid more than $50 for a ticket. I even did atl/fll/mco/fll/atl for about $60 i think. I stopped both ways yes, but to save $100 or so for about 90 mins of inconvenience as opposed to an air tran or delta non stop..to me it was worth it.

I think they make their $$$ on the longer haul flights where the pax most likely will buy something to eat. Their prices in flight are not bad either. I think they offer combos as little as $5 where u get a drink and a snack. The aircraft are very nicely maintained and are very presentable.

Quoting Unmlobo (Reply 5):

You can even add a rental car to your trip and come out pretty much even. Round trip gas alone will be about $60 from orlando. Add another $20 for gas in town depending on what you are doing in florida and you are at $80 already had you driven your own car. Add to that the fatigue factor of a 3.5 hr each way drive and its a long day already.

With spirit, $31 airfare, friend picks you up and carries you around florida, pimp out your friend to spend their money, then go back home and pay $10 for long term parking for the day and its a day well spent in my opinion.


User currently offlineSKYYBLUE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5035 times:

A little off-topic here, but why did NK cut their FLL-GCM route? Isn't Florida-GCM a high-volume route? Anyone have any insight?

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33033 posts, RR: 71
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5008 times:



Quoting SKYYBLUE (Reply 10):
A little off-topic here, but why did NK cut their FLL-GCM route? Isn't Florida-GCM a high-volume route? Anyone have any insight?

It's a premium, high-yield market, just like FLL-PLS, another market were Spirit did poorly.

Spirit has had difficulty competing for traffic in high-yield markets against AA and local carriers due to their service standards, which work fine for vacationers to St. Thomas or VFR to Lima, but not for the more demanding passengers that are flying to Grand Cayman or the Turks & Caicos.



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User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5002 times:

I'll be honest, I would like to fly NK once and see what it was like. My uncle has flown them before and really enjoyed it for the most part (and he's a diehard CO flyer too!).


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User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4880 times:



Quoting Richierich (Reply 2):

FLL boardings for 2008 goes like this......
1. Spirit
2. Southwest
3.Jet Blue
4. Delta
5. USAirways

For grins, add Northwest numbers to DL and DL moves to number two.
safe



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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7321 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4754 times:



Quoting Colinatl (Thread starter):
Can anyone comment on Spirit Air's ability to continue in this current economic climate?

How are they doing financially?

How can they make any money offering $33 fares?

Spirit is probably doing great because all the LCCs (except WN) are doing great right now. Airlines who aren't used to carrying business travelers aren't as hurt by them traveling less often.

Quoting SKYYBLUE (Reply 10):
A little off-topic here, but why did NK cut their FLL-GCM route? Isn't Florida-GCM a high-volume route? Anyone have any insight?

Similarly, Spirit does not cater to high-end travelers and GCM is expensive. I don't think the hotel product and cost in GCM is a good mix with Spirit. What customer is flying an airline with $30 fares to pay $2000 for a week's hotel in GCM?


User currently offlineUnmlobo From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 207 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 4251 times:



Quoting F9Animal (Reply 7):
How could you not like their business model, when you just got your trip for only $31 round trip? If Spirit would just start flying west, and add SEA to its route map, I would be loving its business model!

I meant that I don't like the constant nickle-diming of passengers. I thought about using Southwest for my trip as I really appreciate the lack of fees, but I couldn't justify paying $89 roundtrip, even at the lowest sale fares, for a leisure day trip, especially with money being tight for me at this point.

Quoting Ilanbwoy (Reply 9):
You can even add a rental car to your trip and come out pretty much even. Round trip gas alone will be about $60 from orlando. Add another $20 for gas in town depending on what you are doing in florida and you are at $80 already had you driven your own car. Add to that the fatigue factor of a 3.5 hr each way drive and its a long day already.

With spirit, $31 airfare, friend picks you up and carries you around florida, pimp out your friend to spend their money, then go back home and pay $10 for long term parking for the day and its a day well spent in my opinion.

Believe me I definitely considered the fatigue factor. That factor swayed me toward flying instead of driving, that and I didn't want to deal with negotiating traffic in Miami, along with getting the chance to experience an airline I'd never flown before. Although in an ironic twist of fate, flying actually contributed to my fatigue driving home as there was a delay on my return flight. The delay meant I would be driving back to Daytona really late and so I even caved and bought a can of Coke onboard to have caffeine for the drive home (I considered the overpricing on Spirit of $3 for a can of Coke as a convenience fee that I was paying in order to not have to stop at a convenience store), and even then I started to fall asleep driving home.

I will try and write a full trip report about my Spirit experience.



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User currently onlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5076 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3980 times:



Quoting Unmlobo (Reply 15):
I meant that I don't like the constant nickle-diming of passengers. I thought about using Southwest for my trip as I really appreciate the lack of fees, but I couldn't justify paying $89 roundtrip, even at the lowest sale fares, for a leisure day trip, especially with money being tight for me at this point.

Gotcha. What is nice about it though, you got a great fare. I love good deals!



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User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3076 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3860 times:

I would think an airline like NK would do especially well in less-than-ideal economic times (provided costs remain reasonable). I was totally against the a-la-carte model at first, but flew G4 back in January, and have to say the experience was much better than I expected. I don't know about NK, but G4 has very good legroom, and employees were exceptionally pleasant.


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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2887 posts, RR: 31
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3567 times:

Spirit seems to be a very well-managed airline. The carrier established itself as the market leader to Atlantic City (where it drove out all of the competition) as well as Myrtle Beach. Then the airline established a true hub at FLL (whilst US Airways, Delta, United, and even AA all faltered) and entered a number of limited access Latin American markets that command higher fares than highly competitive domestic segments. Clearly, the airline has done an excellent job of establishing itself as a market leader in the aforementioned cities and pioneering the use of the Ryan Air model in the U.S.


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User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3076 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3503 times:

NK could come into places like GSP, and depending on the destination, get pax not only from the 1 million person immediate metro area (the "Upstate of S. Carolina), but much of Wesstern N. Carolina, parts of the Charlotte metro, and N. Georgia, as well as the Midlands of S. Carolina. CAE is only 90 min away by car.

They have to know these secondary airports are easy to access from alll above-mentioned areas, easy in and out, and usually cheaper to park at. The populace of Upstate S. Carolina is diverse demographically, and is from all over the country (and world); this area still has a vigorous business climate. There is much more demand for air travel than GSP's statistics show, as many folks drive to ATL or CLT for cheaper fares. Give these folks a reasonalbe alternative at a lower cost, and the LCC who decides to come here will have as much business as they want.



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User currently offlineFX1816 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1400 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3339 times:



Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 17):
I don't know about NK, but G4 has very good legroom, and employees were exceptionally pleasant.

I don't have any experience with G4 but I can say that NK is a pretty tight fit on an A319. I flew NK from FLL-MCO, MCO-FLL so it wasn't so bad for a 30 minute flight. The only thing that surprised me however was that I flew F9 and NK both in 2007 on A319's and it was interesting to see that F9 has 23 rows of seats while NK has 26 rows.

FX1816


User currently offlineFlyMIA From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7213 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 3298 times:



Quoting Lexy (Reply 12):
I'll be honest, I would like to fly NK once and see what it was like. My uncle has flown them before and really enjoyed it for the most part (and he's a diehard CO flyer too!).

Not a great experience. It was not horrible but it was the worst mainline flight I have ever had. But the fare was much cheaper than AA at the time. Unless there is a good amount of difference in the fare I like to stick with AA on my MIA-DCA travels. The seats are bad, service was okay, plane was a big bill board for the Bahamas. Not the type of airline I like to fly. Seats barley reclined.
I am sure they are doing fine.



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User currently offlineEnilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7321 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3190 times:



Quoting GSPSPOT (Reply 19):
NK could come into places like GSP,

I wouldn't expect that since they tried CAE-FLL last year and it failed.


User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3076 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3089 times:



Quoting Enilria (Reply 22):
I wouldn't expect that since they tried CAE-FLL last year and it failed.

The GSP market is a completely different animal than CAE. In fact, G4 moved its PIE flight from CAE to GSP due to poor bookings at CAE, and it has done fine here ever since.

A LCC like NK, with svc to markets other than Florida, could help GSP get back the over 60% of pax who should fly out of GSP, but don't due to high fares.



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