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AF Confirms JNB As An A380 Destination.  
User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7401 posts, RR: 57
Posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8113 times:

AF will take delivery of its first A380 (msn 033, F-HPJA) in October.

The first revenue flight is expected on NOV. 16th

JFK and then DXB will be the first two destinations used for pilots training.

Then AF will use its A380 to JNB.
Today, JNB is served from CDG by 2 x Daily B77W.
The night flight to JNB from CDG will remain DAILY and upgraded to an A380 while the second flight (daylight CDG-JNB) will be reduced to 3 x Weekly (B77W).

To NRT, where AF operates 3 x Daily today, AF will go down to 2 x DAILY with an A380 operating AF272/AF271 and a B77W operating AF278/AF277.

The third (morning) frequency to NRT (A332 or A343) will be moved to HND.

IAD, during the summer, will also go from 3 x Daily to 2 x Daily, one of the 2 being upgraded to an A380.

The second A380 (msn 040 F-HPJB) will be delivered in November 2009, and the third one (msn 043 F-HPJC) in January 2010.

Two more aircraft F-HPJD & JE should be delivered in 2010, normally before the summer ...

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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6293 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7775 times:

Wow, will be a lot of fun to see the 380 in southern Africa! Cannot wait.

User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4745 posts, RR: 44
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7729 times:

Fyi...from YYZ and YUL, AF and KL together DOMINATE and I MEAN DOMINATE the Eastern Canada-JNB/CPT-Eastern Canada market segment.

User currently offlineKL911 From Ireland, joined Jul 2003, 5114 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7608 times:

Great news, but what is the reason for making CDG JNB the focus route instead of AMS JNB considering the historical relationship between South Africa and The Netherlands? The fact is that there are a lot of Dutch people living in or go on holiday to South Africa.

Just a question....

KL911



Next trip : DUB-AUH-CGK-DPS-KUL-AUH-CDG-ORK :-)
User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2324 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7513 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Thread starter):
Then AF will use its A380 to JNB.

Interesting, I didn't know JNB was such a high traffic route in the AF network.

Quoting FlySSC (Thread starter):
The third (morning) frequency to NRT (A332 or A343) will be moved to HND.

Great! Can't wait to see more foreign carriers in HND, and I can wait to fly into it. It's so much more convenient than NRT!

Quoting FlySSC (Thread starter):
IAD, during the summer, will also go from 3 x Daily to 2 x Daily, one of the 2 being upgraded to an A380.

A380 in IAD, sweet my hometown!



oh boy!!!
User currently offlineGoavibes From Japan, joined Feb 2009, 3 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7338 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Thread starter):
To NRT, where AF operates 3 x Daily today, AF will go down to 2 x DAILY with an A380 operating AF272/AF271 and a B77W operating AF278/AF277.

Considering that AF271 is a code shared with JAL, operated by JAL, I don't see that coming, Unless they change the flights numbers, we can safely assumed that AF271 won't be on a A380.


User currently offlineGoldorak From France, joined Sep 2006, 1825 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 7120 times:

So, no more YUL on the map for AF A380 ? too bad !

User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7401 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 7082 times:



Quoting Goavibes (Reply 5):
Considering that AF271 is a code shared with JAL, operated by JAL, I don't see that coming, Unless they change the flights numbers, we can safely assumed that AF271 won't be on a A380.

My mistake .. Sorry : AF276 / AF275 will be the A380.
AF278/277 will remain a B77W.
AF272/279 should be the one moved to HND.


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7401 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 7067 times:

Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 4):
Interesting, I didn't know JNB was such a high traffic route in the AF network.

AF took all the benefits from the pull out of SAA from CDG and many other European stations.

[Edited 2009-04-25 01:05:28]

User currently offlineFlymad From South Africa, joined Jun 2006, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6973 times:



Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 4):
Interesting, I didn't know JNB was such a high traffic route in the AF network.

Bit of a surprise for me as well, albeit a nice surprise!. I recently spoke to a passenegr that flew
JNB/CDG/MAN on the AF night flight who told me that although premium was full, Y had only 11 (eleven) pax. He said it was better than F with all the space they had!!


User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6940 times:
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Are foreign carriers (I mean not Japanese/Korean...) allowed to fly to HND as early as end 2009 ?

I that case, wouldn't it have been better to send the 77W to HND and let the NRT second daily for a 330/340 ?
I mean HND will certainly attract a lot of O&D business...



Life is great at 41.000 feet...
User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7401 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6917 times:



Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 10):
Are foreign carriers (I mean not Japanese/Korean...) allowed to fly to HND as early as end 2009 ?

No.

AF will be allowed into HND for the winter 2010/2011.


User currently offlineImag From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2007, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6389 times:

That's brilliant news for JNB. Does that mean that there will be the A380 sitting on the ground all day in JNB? That's quite a lot of down time for a new aircraft type.

All flights I've taken on AF on the LHR/CDG to JNB route have always been full, with a LOT of non French people as well.

With Emirates, LH & BA (all possibly) using this route for the A380, there will be a lot of A380's around during the day. Great, but I loved watching all the 744's arriving in the morning.......


User currently offlineEwRkId From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 594 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6294 times:



Quoting Goldorak (Reply 6):
So, no more YUL on the map for AF A380 ? too bad !

I know I thought YUL was a big money maker for AF??


User currently offlineBaguy From Australia, joined Mar 2006, 546 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 6215 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 11):
AF will be allowed into HND for the winter 2010/2011.

I was under the impression HND was for Domestic flights only?!?

If thats true, it will be good because HND is so much closer to Central Tokyo than NRT  Smile

BAguy


User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7401 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5923 times:



Quoting EwRkId (Reply 13):
I know I thought YUL was a big money maker for AF??

It is.
But instead of increasing the capacity offered on the route by using the A380 on of the 3 x Daily flights, AF opted finally for a 4th DAILY frequency on CDG-YUL-CDG.


User currently offlinePlaneguy727 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1235 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5689 times:

Shame it's not sooner - I am booked on the AF night flight CDG-JNB in July (in J). Would have been sweet to do it on the 380.


I want to live in an old and converted 727...
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5563 times:

Great news for South Africa, which is a top destination in AF/KL network, currently served by 4 daily flights (2 x day AF CDG-JNB B77W; 1 x day AMS-JNB B772; 1 x day AMS-CPT B772).

Congratulations for JNB which yet again positioned itself as the main hub of the African continent.

Rgs,


User currently offlineSpeedbird128 From Pitcairn Islands, joined Oct 2003, 1648 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5324 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 17):
1 x day AMS-JNB B772

Have they changed to B772 already? My last night shift I am certain i saw B744 on the flightplan...



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5112 times:



Quoting Speedbird128 (Reply 18):
Have they changed to B772 already? My last night shift I am certain i saw B744 on the flightplan...

KL changed AMS-JNB from B747 to B772 on 26 March because it needs less cargo space in JNB since Martinair was integrated into AF/KL group and operates JNB cargo only flights.

KL AMS-CPT operates 5 x week B772 during the Summer and daily B772 during the Winter.

Rgs,


User currently onlineSAA380 From South Africa, joined Mar 2008, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5036 times:

Wow, that's awesome!

Cannot wait to see them A380's at JNB in a few months time.

SAA380  airplane 



Hard work always pays.
User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2324 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4383 times:



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 11):
No.

AF will be allowed into HND for the winter 2010/2011.

Soooo far away! A year and a half!



oh boy!!!
User currently offlineSpeedbird128 From Pitcairn Islands, joined Oct 2003, 1648 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4172 times:



Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 19):
KL changed AMS-JNB from B747 to B772 on 26 March because it needs less cargo space in JNB since Martinair was integrated into AF/KL group and operates JNB cargo only flights.

KL AMS-CPT operates 5 x week B772 during the Summer and daily B772 during the Winter.

Rgs,

Thanks for that information. There must have been an error in our system. We often don't get long-haul flight plans and they are created this side manually once Harare telephones us with the inbound estimate.

I have also noticed, that the MPH MD11 has been swapped for an B744BCF.



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User currently offlineBabybus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3898 times:

I'm really surprised that AF can use a A380 to Joburg. If it was Cape Town I could understand it.

Well done to South Africa on becoming a A380 destination.


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11406 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3864 times:
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Quoting Babybus (Reply 23):
I'm really surprised that AF can use a A380 to Joburg. If it was Cape Town I could understand it.

I'm sure considering the World Cup next year, travel demand for South Africa and both JNB and CPT will increase for sure.

Quoting Babybus (Reply 23):
Well done to South Africa on becoming a A380 destination.

Also with the World Cup, i believe you can expect EK at least using their A380's also to JNB



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25 FlySSC : AF currently operates 2 x Daily B77W to JNB and doesn't even fly to CPT !
26 Hardiwv : CPT is only operated by KL (and the flight is only 5 week B772). No way CPT will see AF A380. In the meanwhile JNB is a dual station which gets KL da
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