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EK A380 To MAN?  
User currently offlineBochora From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2008, 491 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 6 months 4 hours ago) and read 5527 times:

Found this link from recently.
Is it true that only once daily to prepare for A380 ops?

http://news.holidayhypermarket.co.uk...ster-Airport-2009041713390908.html

Sorry if been discussed: did a quick search.

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User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 3 hours ago) and read 5435 times:

Hmm, at the moment the timetable for that week in June shows 77W's operating all MAN-DXB-MAN flights.

However, the MAN website does confirm the Terminal change from June 1st, so that bit of the article is correct  Smile



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User currently offlineOjas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2977 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 3 hours ago) and read 5409 times:

Well with so many A380s on order they have to go somewhere!!!


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User currently offlineBochora From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2008, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 3 hours ago) and read 5361 times:



Quoting Ojas (Reply 2):
Well with so many A380s on order they have to go somewhere!!!

Just what I was thinking.
Especially when they're no longer going to JFK!


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27101 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 3 hours ago) and read 5327 times:

Hmm the article I read in Travel Mole said ''This means it will be able to fly its flagship A380 from the airport. ''. It does not however say they will. I think they probably will if demand increases over the July/August period. Would be nice for Manchester.

User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7392 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 2 hours ago) and read 5161 times:
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Quoting Bochora (Thread starter):
Sorry if been discussed: did a quick search.

Twas in MAN news 28. THere's some discussions on a newsgroup about what the plans are post September for EK - there are suggestions that MAN goes 3 daily with one service to be operated by A380 but that's going to be one hell of a leap in capacity, especially if the 2 other services remain as 77W. Perhaps A380 and 77W may be the short-term plan. Long-term it may be 2 A330s and an A380. Having said that, using them now would be "wasting" them as they are low density versions - the plan is for the A380 high density to come, but who knows when that variety will be delivered!


User currently offlineAlasdair1982 From UK - Scotland, joined Mar 2008, 468 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 2 hours ago) and read 5109 times:

Any updates on a possible second GLA service?

User currently offlineDamian From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months ago) and read 4920 times:



Quoting Alasdair1982 (Reply 6):
Any updates on a possible second GLA service?

A few years back EK said they were "evaluating" potential expansion in Scotland, with either a second daily GLA service or a new service to EDI under consideration, but nothing's been heard from them since. Can't see any Scottish expansion for a few years yet, at least not until the economic situation improves.


User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3037 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months ago) and read 4916 times:

Wow, I thought EK were already operating 3x daily from MAN.

That means with BHX going twice daily with 77W they are going to have the same capacity. Never expected that BHX would match MAN for capacity to DXB with EK!

I can see it from two perspectives:

1)
I would expect to see EK sending the A380's to airports where runway capacity is an issue, and this is not the case at MAN. With them instead starting a 3rd daily rotation with an A330 or 777-200/300...

2)
On the other hand if the MAN service is doing that well, instead of starting a 3rd daily service the A380 provides the additional capacity. This also in-effect free up two smaller aircraft which would be required to operate a three times daily service to serve other routes.

Also thinking about it, for passengers connecting in Dubai for routes to Asia, Southern/Western Africa and Australia, these leave in two waives each day and if a third daily service to Manchester was started this would not necessarily connect with the routes UK passengers want, and may not be enough demand just for passengers flying to Dubai only...


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24947 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months ago) and read 4906 times:

If EK were to operate the 380 to MAN, I'd expect it to be 380 x 1 and 772 x 1


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User currently offlineBochora From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2008, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months ago) and read 4876 times:



Quoting Alasdair1982 (Reply 6):
Any updates on a possible second GLA service?

Loads are very good this year so who knows what is to come.


User currently offlineMAN23R From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 256 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4809 times:

a few updated work regarding EK at MAN,

-the A380 on B pier will not be finished until October at the earliest.

- the emirates sky lounge in still under construction and is to be completed by the end of June

- EK station manager has stated many times that the A380 will only start operating at the start of 2010, and no sooner, due to MAN isnt ready

other side note, speaking with ATC officials at MAN, they said they do not want the A380 anytime soon,they told me its an operation nightmare and are dreading the thought of having multiple A380 movements.


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24947 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4794 times:



Quoting MAN23R (Reply 11):
other side note, speaking with ATC officials at MAN, they said they do not want the A380 anytime soon,they told me its an operation nightmare and are dreading the thought of having multiple A380 movements.

It'll only be once a day!



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User currently offlineBlueShamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2983 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4751 times:

Ha ! ATC "officials" saying they don't want the A380. Sounds more like a displaced ATSA not happy with his lot at the moment.

I don't know one ATCO who would say such a thing - and I live with one.

btw, there is no-one qualified as an "ATC Official" at MAN to say such things. NATS provide an Aerodrome ATC service to MAN on contract. It would be a huge dereliction of duty and breach of contract for anyone employed by NATS and working at MAN to say such rubbish in any capacity, official or otherwise.  Angry

[Edited 2009-04-24 15:56:27]


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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13250 posts, RR: 100
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4728 times:
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Quoting MAN23R (Reply 11):
- EK station manager has stated many times that the A380 will only start operating at the start of 2010,

You're throwing facts in the way of our discussion.  Wink

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 8):
Also thinking about it, for passengers connecting in Dubai for routes to Asia, Southern/Western Africa and Australia, these leave in two waives each day and if a third daily service to Manchester was started this would not necessarily connect with the routes UK passengers want, and may not be enough demand just for passengers flying to Dubai only...

Question: Is EK sticking to two waves per day to Australia? They now have rights to 3X day and I would expect them to be trying to enlarge the 3rd wave.

Quoting MAN23R (Reply 11):
other side note, speaking with ATC officials at MAN, they said they do not want the A380 anytime soon,they told me its an operation nightmare and are dreading the thought of having multiple A380 movements.

A Gkirk already noted, its only once a day! Who else that is flying A380's is going to fly to MAN?

SQ Unlikely.
QF Not anytime soon
EK it would only be one at a time...
AF Not on such a short flight
LH Ditto

Its going to be until 2011 that we even have a chance of another airline flying the A380 to MAN. I think they could adapt by then...  spin  Heck, we might be talking much further in the future.

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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7392 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4493 times:
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Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 14):
Gkirk already noted, its only once a day! Who else that is flying A380's is going to fly to MAN?

Any potential "issues" are being raised in the event of LHR being closed, there's the prospect of having SQ and QF possibly diverting. Mind you, there should be a window of opportunity for one if not both diversions having gone by the time the, I imagine, A380 arrives at lunchtime on EK17. I'm led to believe that MAN will have a max of 2 A380s in at one time (at least to begin with!) - gate 12? plus gate 62. I daresay the long-term plans for terminal expansion may involve having gate 31 being readied for use, and possibly 1 or 2 gates at an expanded T2 with room for another 1 or 2 in the "Western Apron". I doubt whether MAN will see more than 2 airlines with A380 ops, but's it's better to be prepared to handle a few (after all, we've had over 20 747s on the ground at one time, despite only having a couple of airlines who used them here on a scheduled basis).


User currently offlineDanfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1813 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4426 times:

As much as i would love to see the A380 at MAN, i think id prefer a morning flight that leaves around 8am ish first, on an A330. This could rival SQ who lets be honest look as if they are going to pull the plug anyway and their flights leaves at 9.

Having the choice of 3 daily departures would be a good move for EK, passengers want choice. So daily it could be 1x330 and 2x77W.

I Just think any move by EK should be a 3rd daily to start with. Then the A380! Surely there are more markets they'll send them before MAN anyway.



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User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2926 times:

Erm, why all of this "IF they were to operate 3x daily nonsense"??

The timetable says EK is operating 3x daily 77W from MAN.



Lee



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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7392 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2831 times:
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Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 17):
The timetable says EK is operating 3x daily 77W from MAN.

Which timetable? EK's own timetable only goes up to April 1st and didn't spot a 3rd daily service. MAN's own timetable shows only 2 flights,


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19236 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2808 times:



Quoting David_itl (Reply 18):
Which timetable? EK's own timetable only goes up to April 1st and didn't spot a 3rd daily service. MAN's own timetable shows only 2 flights,

I also could only find 2x daily.



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User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2803 times:

Oops sorry, my mistake there.

When I was making an EK booking, I misread the schedule  silly 



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User currently offlineMAN23R From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2007, 256 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2756 times:



Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 13):

wrong wording....

it was a NATS representative,he was overseeing ops in the tower, and no im no in ATC...


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