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EK Or QR To ORD Next, If At All?  
User currently offlineNomorerjs From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 423 posts, RR: 0
Posted (4 years 12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4907 times:

EY surprised us by being the first to begin nonstop service from ORD to the Gulf region.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Chicag...come-Etihads-bw-14223483.html?.v=1

QR is code-sharing with UA, but would be a nice fit into ORD for midwest and western connections.
http://www.ameinfo.com/139165.html

EK has taked about ORD for some time now.
http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?id=21378

Also, any chance of CX starting ORD when the economy recovers? It is doubtful that AA will start HKG anytine in the next few years (for various reasons).

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User currently offlineSancho99504 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 568 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (4 years 12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4854 times:

Rumour at ORD for a while was EK was going to start ORD with the A380, however they ended up launching the A380 to JFK as ORD is/was not completely ready to handle the A380 at the time of announcement. Apparently ORD has been pushed to 2010 also by rumour.


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22319 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (4 years 12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4798 times:



Quoting Sancho99504 (Reply 1):
however they ended up launching the A380 to JFK as ORD is/was not completely ready to handle the A380 at the time of announcement.

That may have been what EK said, but it's false. ORD has been ready for the 380 at least since LH brought one in ~2 years ago.



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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4716 posts, RR: 44
Reply 3, posted (4 years 12 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4775 times:

I highly doubt that EK would launch any new North American route with an A 380 !

User currently offlineORD Boy 2 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 279 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (4 years 12 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4665 times:

I think EK, QR, and maybe Kuwait as well are possible with LY returning in the distant future.

Also CX and Singapore would be nice!


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8092 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (4 years 12 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4467 times:
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Quoting Behramjee (Reply 3):
I highly doubt that EK would launch any new North American route with an A 380 !

Now serving LAX, SFO, IAH and JFK, Emirates next US cities would be either Chicago or Washington-Dulles. Boston and Miami would seem the next logical desinations after IAD and/or ORD.


User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3641 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (4 years 12 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4319 times:

My bets are on EK being next... EK doesn't like EY getting in the way of anything. QR would probably follow in close proximity due to the UA codeshare, and they recently sponsored the ORD exhibit at the Chicago Architecture Foundation. If that isn't an indicator, nothing is.

Quoting ORD+Boy+2" class=quote target=_blank>ORD Boy 2 (Reply 4):
and maybe Kuwait as well

They used to serve ORD... it would be nice to see them return. I wouldn't expect them back if the three megacarriers EK, QR, and EY all start serving ORD (which will likely happen), though.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24109 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (4 years 12 months 3 days ago) and read 4269 times:



Quoting ORD+Boy+2" class=quote target=_blank>ORD Boy 2 (Reply 4):
I think EK, QR, and maybe Kuwait as well are possible with LY returning in the distant future.

KU served ORD for a year or so 4 or 5 years ago. Routing was ORD-GVA-KWI. Even with 5th feedom local traffic rights ORD-GVA I believe the operation was very uprofitable and was dropped rather quickly. I doubt they will try again.


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User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (4 years 12 months 3 days ago) and read 4160 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
KU served ORD for a year or so 4 or 5 years ago. Routing was ORD-GVA-KWI. Even with 5th feedom local traffic rights ORD-GVA I believe the operation was very uprofitable and was dropped rather quickly. I doubt they will try again.

When I worked at ORD it was routed via AMS...when was the GVA service around?

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User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (4 years 12 months 3 days ago) and read 4162 times:



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
KU served ORD for a year or so 4 or 5 years ago. Routing was ORD-GVA-KWI. Even with 5th feedom local traffic rights ORD-GVA I believe the operation was very uprofitable and was dropped rather quickly. I doubt they will try again.

I dont think thats true... the routing was KWI-AMS-ORD not via GVA.

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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24109 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4070 times:

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 9):
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7):
KU served ORD for a year or so 4 or 5 years ago. Routing was ORD-GVA-KWI. Even with 5th feedom local traffic rights ORD-GVA I believe the operation was very uprofitable and was dropped rather quickly. I doubt they will try again.

I dont think thats true... the routing was KWI-AMS-ORD not via GVA.

It's true. The GVA stop replaced AMS.
http://www.whygeneva.ch/index.php?op...ask=view&id=522&Itemid=161&lang=en

The ORD route via GVA started sometime in 2004. It was twice a week and I don't think it even lasted a year. My office at GVA airport overlooked the airport ramp and runway and I clearly recall watching the KU A340-300 take off for ORD several times. They also had very low fares on the GVA-ORD 5th freedom sector.

[Edited 2009-04-26 14:45:19]

[Edited 2009-04-26 14:47:51]

[Edited 2009-04-26 14:48:45]

User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4047 times:

Thats pretty cool i never knew that... i am guessing switching from AMS to GVA was a last ditch effort to save the route that still didnt pan out. Did they have a codeshare with AA or UA? And how did the KWI-GVA sector perform?

I believe SQ served ORD via AMS as well...



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24109 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3940 times:



Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 11):
Thats pretty cool i never knew that... i am guessing switching from AMS to GVA was a last ditch effort to save the route that still didnt pan out. Did they have a codeshare with AA or UA? And how did the KWI-GVA sector perform?

No, KU had no codeshares. Not sure how they do on KWI-GVA which they've been operating for many years, currently just twice a week, usually with A300-600. I've heard various comments that GVA is only served for political reasons and isn't profitable. Profitability has never seemed to be a high priority for KU.

Quoting TWA902fly (Reply 11):
I believe SQ served ORD via AMS as well...

Correct. I know that route made UA very unhappy. UA didn't think a Star Alliance partner should be competing on a 5th freedom sector to UA's major hub.


User currently offlineJuventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3878 times:

The next logical U.S destination for Qatar Etihad should be LAX, not ORD.....

Not sure if EK is looking at ORD at all


User currently offlineSancho99504 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 568 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3713 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 2):
That may have been what EK said, but it's false. ORD has been ready for the 380 at least since LH brought one in ~2 years ago.

ORD's infrastructure is able to handle the A380. However, T5 is not A380 ready being that they're still renovating the customs area from I believe M18 which is where I heard they were going to remodel to accommodate 3 jet bridge A380 hookup. Only one C gate in T1 is A380 ready. Until the terminal areas which DOA is willing to remodel to accommodate the A380 is complete, I don't think we'll see scheduled A380 flights into ORD. And as such, per the rumours why EK hasn't launched ORD. As far as LY, they will not be returning anytime soon as the loads to ORD were extremely poor. When they operated the B767 as a tag on from YYZ, they had at most 25 passengers and 1 pallet of cargo and a couple pieces of mail. The B747 tag on from JFK had a few more passengers and 2-3 pallets of cargo. Unless they can start non-stop TLV-ORD and increase load factor, I don't see them flying with 30 people into ORD.



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22319 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3684 times:



Quoting Sancho99504 (Reply 14):
However, T5 is not A380 ready being that they're still renovating the customs area from I believe M18 which is where I heard they were going to remodel to accommodate 3 jet bridge A380 hookup.

Does every city that EK currently serves with the 380 have a 3-bridge hookup? I'm not aware of EK ever stating that this was an absolute prerequisite (it certainly isn't for LH, which is why ORD has made practically zero effort to add an upper-level jet bridge for them).



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User currently offlineSancho99504 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 568 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3659 times:

No, however, LH wants a double hook up for the A380. I do not believe EK is requesting this however the DOA has put out a few RFP's to contractors for M18 and M11 into multi bridge gates specifically for the A380.


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22319 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3651 times:



Quoting Sancho99504 (Reply 16):
No, however, LH wants a double hook up for the A380.

...which they can have at a number of gates in Terminals 1 and 5 at present.



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User currently offlineSancho99504 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 568 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3644 times:

At which gates in T5 are they?


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22319 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3596 times:



Quoting Sancho99504 (Reply 18):
At which gates in T5 are they?

It's been a while since I've lived in Chicago and significantly longer than that since I've been in T-5, so I'm going from memory, but I believe the two gates on both ends of T-5 are capable of operating as a single dual-jetway gate (though the 388 could probably not use 1/2 for taxiway clearance reasons).



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User currently offlineSancho99504 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 568 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3444 times:

You're correct on that, but none of those gates could take the A380 due in part to what you specified with M1 and 2, but M20 and M21 don't have the gate space to handle the A380 either. That is why DOA is going to have M11 and M18 renovated with the dual-bridge system.


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 22319 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3424 times:



Quoting Sancho99504 (Reply 20):
That is why DOA is going to have M11 and M18 renovated with the dual-bridge system.

It's always puzzled me why they didn't put any "true" 2-bridge gates at T-5 when they built it. Was it a cost issue?



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User currently offlineSancho99504 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 568 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3399 times:

That is something I really don't know. I only worked at ORD for 2.5 years and worked for Servisair which did a lot of the international airlines' ground handling. I know BA, LH, AI, and UA/AA have been pushing for dual bridges at T5 along with NH recently. When I left ORD last year, the word was that dual bridge gates able to accomodate up to A380 would be starting summer of 09. They have all the taxiways and runways set to go for full A380 ops, so only a matter of time for the gates.


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User currently offlineAznMadSci From United States of America, joined Dec 2007, 3635 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3375 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 15):
Does every city that EK currently serves with the 380 have a 3-bridge hookup?

IAH doesn't but not sure if rumors are true if they will start or have started construction around the gate area that EK usually uses for their DXB flight.



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User currently offlineSancho99504 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 568 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (4 years 12 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3368 times:

[quote=AznMadSci,reply=23]IAH doesn't but not sure if rumors are true if they will start or have started construction around the gate area that EK usually uses for their DXB flight.[/quot


If thats the case, does that mean EK will stop sending some freight on CV and move it into the belly of their A380's to IAH? I know CV pulls a lot of freight from DXB to IAH for EK as well as some wet lease PO birds to IAH.



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25 AznMadSci : As much as I would like to see the A380 at IAH, I don't think it will happen any time soon since I believe the current ones in their fleet do not hav
26 Sancho99504 : DXB to IAH, LAX, and SFO have to be the worst stage lenghths on EK to fly in Y. I wish I would've done a trip report on my SQ EWR-SIN trip last year.
27 SQ_EK_freak : My gut feeling is EK to beat QR to the punch in ORD and be in by early 2010...that's just me though.
28 Flyboeingjets : Regarding past Middle-East carriers at ORD, KU was at ORD even before 2004. I recall being at ORD on a spotting trip in 1997 or 1998 and making a poi
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