OyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2577 posts, RR: 4 Posted (4 years 1 month 1 hour ago) and read 5570 times:
FlyDubai will be the first customer for the enhanced 737NG interior. They are starting to fly on 01 June 2009, so I thought that the planes must be in production right now. That is why I am surprised that we haven't seen any pictures yet. Does anyone on her know when we can expect to see the first pictures? I think Boeing has been very quiet about this upgrade of the 737NG.
On Fly Dubai's web Page you can read the following:
Quote:
Enjoy the atmosphere
Featuring the very latest aircraft interior, the Boeing 737-800 cabin is bright and airy. And the spacious overhead lockers can easily accommodate the 10 kg hand baggage allowance allocated to each passenger. This is the largest economy class hand baggage allowance in the region.
From this limited information about the new interior, it seems like the bins are larger to accommodate larger hand baggage allowance. With many U.S. Airlines charging more and more for checked-in luggage, more and more people have with them their own carry-on luggage. So in my opinion it would be a huge upgrade for the travel experience to get bigger bins. I fear that the new bins, will make the space inside the 737NG tighter, but I hope that there are some space that has not been used until now above the current ceiling. If that is the case, perhaps we could see 787 style bins on the 737NG?
What I hope to get answered is:
When can we see the first pictures?
How big of an upgrade are we talking about?
Is there room above the ceiling to make for larger bins without tightening the space?
Will the new interior be the standard interior for the 737NG or will they just be optional?
I guess there will be a huge marked for a retrofit. Will that be possible? I know SAS has MD-90 style bins in their MD-80 models.
Could we expect to see this news in combination with an announcement of a larger upgrade to the 737NG line? I know there have been some speculations for a cockpit upgrade, and engine upgrade. The P8-poseidon is lighter than the current 737-800, but I don't know by how much. It would seem logical for Boeing to offer a lower weight for their commercial airplanes.
I will stop speculating here in the first thread, and let you contribute with more speculations. If you happen to know something about this enhanced interior it is even more appreciated than just speculations. But everyone’s comments re welcomed.
Here are the articles that I have gotten the information from.
Phollingsworth From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 825 posts, RR: 6 Reply 1, posted (4 years 1 month ago) and read 5450 times:
Quoting OyKIE (Thread starter): Could we expect to see this news in combination with an announcement of a larger upgrade to the 737NG line? I know there have been some speculations for a cockpit upgrade, and engine upgrade. The P8-poseidon is lighter than the current 737-800, but I don't know by how much. It would seem logical for Boeing to offer a lower weight for their commercial airplanes.
What aspect of the P8 makes it lighter? It might have a lower quoted empty weight due to how it is being accounted for, e.g. not having interior passenger fittings. Does it have a lower structural weight. If so, then it could come from two areas, one is a reduction in window belt weight. The P8 does not have many window cutouts. This would allow the window belt to be made substantially lighter as you have better inherent load paths. Otherwise, I would expect that many of the improvements are actually being incorporated into the B737-800 line. In this case Boeing may not change the advertised weights, but customers would see an improved performance in response to their RFPs.
In order to win the P8 competition Boeing had to make the frame lighter than the standard 737-800. The challange for Boeing is that they are not allowed to take technology from the military program directly into the commercial product.
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7673mech From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 632 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (4 years 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4178 times:
There is no redesign of the 737 interior.
The baggage bins have been tweaked a little, but other then that their will be nothing new.
You can see the new bins on You Tube - AA is showing them off on their newest aircraft.
Don't hold your breath - there is nothing new.
DfwRevolution From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (4 years 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3916 times:
Quoting OyKIE (Reply 3): In order to win the P8 competition Boeing had to make the frame lighter than the standard 737-800. The challange for Boeing is that they are not allowed to take technology from the military program directly into the commercial product.
Can you find a source OyKIE? The P8 airframe is what Boeing called the 737-800ERX when it was offered to commercial buyers. It is the -800 airframe upgraded to the 737-900ER MTOW. Usually when you increase the payload of an airframe the empty weight is also increased due to necessary reinforcements.
OyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2577 posts, RR: 4 Reply 7, posted (4 years 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3103 times:
Quoting 7673mech (Reply 4): There is no redesign of the 737 interior.
The baggage bins have been tweaked a little, but other then that their will be nothing new.
You can see the new bins on You Tube - AA is showing them off on their newest aircraft.
Don't hold your breath - there is nothing new.
According to the article in the link I provided above FlyDubai is Launch customer for the new interior. If that article is correct, then the new AA 737-800 was delivered with the old interior.
From Flightblogger:
Quote: In the near term, Hamilton states that FlyDubai, which ordered 50 new 737-800 aircraft at the Farnborough Air Show in July, will be the launch customer for a new interior for the narrowbody, drawing on 787 features to remake the 737 cabin. Delivery was originally planned for September 2009, but Hamilton adds that it could be delayed by the Fall's two-month IAM strike.
The article says September 2009. But FlyDubai says they will start in June. Not sure if their first plane will feature the new interior, or if it will planes delivered from September and onwards.
Quote: Boeing is now looking at enhancements for the 737 family that includes weight
reductions, aerodynamics and engine improvements. The CFM56 is the exclusive engine
on the 737 and it also powers many A320s, so the A320 will gain from any CFM
improvements as well.
A challenge for Boeing is that at least some of the 737 “E” research is happening in the
P-8A Poseidon program. This is the airplane being developed for the US Navy as a
replacement for the P-3A submarine hunter, based on the 1950s-era Lockheed Electra
turbo-prop. The P-8A program needs weight reduction and efficiency gains to meet Navy
specifications.
It does not say specifically that there is a weigt gain on the P-8A Posedion, only that it is an enhanced version of the 737, and that Boeing is not allowed to transfer technology form it. But just before mentioning the "E" research the article says that Boeing is looking at ways to reduce weight combined with awerodynamic improvements.
Dream no small dream; it lacks magic. Dream large, then go make that dream real - Donald Douglas
Phollingsworth From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 825 posts, RR: 6 Reply 9, posted (4 years 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 2156 times:
Quoting OyKIE (Reply 8): It does not say specifically that there is a weigt gain on the P-8A Posedion, only that it is an enhanced version of the 737, and that Boeing is not allowed to transfer technology form it. But just before mentioning the "E" research the article says that Boeing is looking at ways to reduce weight combined with awerodynamic improvements.
Most of the performance improvements will probably not result in ITAR changes to the actual aircraft construction. There may be ITAR restricted methods and analysis included (more likely EAR than ITAR). There will be plenty of restricted things on the P8, but it probably will not be the weight reduction and aero improvements. Since the FAA certification engineer is sure to be a US person (citizen or PR) there is no export control. The screwed up thing about ITAR and EAR is that in many cases the only way to know you broke the law is to get arrested, it is that arbitrary.
The bigger issue is how the money flows. The article is generally correct that if the government pays for the cost of the upgrades directly then Boeing cannot easily transfer those to the civilian program. This is all about subsidies and WTO arguments, not about national security. What Boeing can do is spend their IR&D money, effectively a portion of their profit, from other programs. As long as the improvements actually get certified and/or delivered to a civilian customer first and they don't directly charge the government for their development cost they would be fine.
VirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4502 posts, RR: 50 Reply 10, posted (4 years 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 1603 times:
Quoting 7673mech (Reply 4): There is no redesign of the 737 interior.
The baggage bins have been tweaked a little, but other then that their will be nothing new.
You can see the new bins on You Tube - AA is showing them off on their newest aircraft.
Don't hold your breath - there is nothing new.
TreeHillRavens From Malaysia, joined Jun 2007, 339 posts, RR: 1 Reply 12, posted (4 years 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 1427 times:
Quoting 7673mech (Reply 4): There is no redesign of the 737 interior.
The baggage bins have been tweaked a little, but other then that their will be nothing new.
You can see the new bins on You Tube - AA is showing them off on their newest aircraft.
Don't hold your breath - there is nothing new.
Well, it looks pretty major to me. New ceiling, a total redesigned overheard bins, new sidewalls and new overhead controls etc.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26726 posts, RR: 83 Reply 15, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1277 times:
Quoting OyKIE (Reply 7): The article says September 2009. But FlyDubai says they will start in June. Not sure if their first plane will feature the new interior, or if it will planes delivered from September and onwards.
FlyDubai is picking up some early 737 delivery slots from other customer deferrals, so the earliest planes may not have it.
OyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2577 posts, RR: 4 Reply 16, posted (4 years 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1234 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 15): FlyDubai is picking up some early 737 delivery slots from other customer deferrals, so the earliest planes may not have it.
Thank you for clarifying. I was unsure about this when I first started this thread. I saw the planes were almost complete, but then no news about the interior. When the press release came I understood that it must have been a change of plans.
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