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When Are The Enhanced 737NG Interior Due?  
User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2755 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6258 times:

FlyDubai will be the first customer for the enhanced 737NG interior. They are starting to fly on 01 June 2009, so I thought that the planes must be in production right now. That is why I am surprised that we haven't seen any pictures yet. Does anyone on her know when we can expect to see the first pictures? I think Boeing has been very quiet about this upgrade of the 737NG.

On Fly Dubai's web Page you can read the following:

Quote:


Enjoy the atmosphere

Featuring the very latest aircraft interior, the Boeing 737-800 cabin is bright and airy. And the spacious overhead lockers can easily accommodate the 10 kg hand baggage allowance allocated to each passenger. This is the largest economy class hand baggage allowance in the region.

From this limited information about the new interior, it seems like the bins are larger to accommodate larger hand baggage allowance. With many U.S. Airlines charging more and more for checked-in luggage, more and more people have with them their own carry-on luggage. So in my opinion it would be a huge upgrade for the travel experience to get bigger bins. I fear that the new bins, will make the space inside the 737NG tighter, but I hope that there are some space that has not been used until now above the current ceiling. If that is the case, perhaps we could see 787 style bins on the 737NG?



What I hope to get answered is:

When can we see the first pictures?
How big of an upgrade are we talking about?
Is there room above the ceiling to make for larger bins without tightening the space?
Will the new interior be the standard interior for the 737NG or will they just be optional?
I guess there will be a huge marked for a retrofit. Will that be possible? I know SAS has MD-90 style bins in their MD-80 models.

Could we expect to see this news in combination with an announcement of a larger upgrade to the 737NG line? I know there have been some speculations for a cockpit upgrade, and engine upgrade. The P8-poseidon is lighter than the current 737-800, but I don't know by how much. It would seem logical for Boeing to offer a lower weight for their commercial airplanes.

I will stop speculating here in the first thread, and let you contribute with more speculations. If you happen to know something about this enhanced interior it is even more appreciated than just speculations. But everyone’s comments re welcomed.

Here are the articles that I have gotten the information from.

http://www.flydubai.com/LandingPage.aspx?id=7041
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...ntroducing-the-boeing-737-re-.html
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...outhwest-737-300s-to-get-154-.html


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User currently offlinePhollingsworth From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 825 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6138 times:



Quoting OyKIE (Thread starter):
Could we expect to see this news in combination with an announcement of a larger upgrade to the 737NG line? I know there have been some speculations for a cockpit upgrade, and engine upgrade. The P8-poseidon is lighter than the current 737-800, but I don't know by how much. It would seem logical for Boeing to offer a lower weight for their commercial airplanes.

What aspect of the P8 makes it lighter? It might have a lower quoted empty weight due to how it is being accounted for, e.g. not having interior passenger fittings. Does it have a lower structural weight. If so, then it could come from two areas, one is a reduction in window belt weight. The P8 does not have many window cutouts. This would allow the window belt to be made substantially lighter as you have better inherent load paths. Otherwise, I would expect that many of the improvements are actually being incorporated into the B737-800 line. In this case Boeing may not change the advertised weights, but customers would see an improved performance in response to their RFPs.


User currently offlineBrendows From Norway, joined Apr 2006, 1020 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (5 years 8 months 4 days ago) and read 6064 times:



Quoting OyKIE (Thread starter):
That is why I am surprised that we haven't seen any pictures yet.

Pictures of the new interior or of Fly Dubai's first 738s? You can see first two aircraft here:
Boeing Renton 10 April 2009


User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2755 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5862 times:



Quoting Brendows (Reply 2):
Pictures of the new interior or of Fly Dubai's first 738s? You can see first two aircraft here:

Thanks for providing a picture. How long do we have to wait for the interior picture?

Quoting Phollingsworth (Reply 1):
What aspect of the P8 makes it lighter?

In order to win the P8 competition Boeing had to make the frame lighter than the standard 737-800. The challange for Boeing is that they are not allowed to take technology from the military program directly into the commercial product.



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User currently offline7673mech From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 747 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4866 times:
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There is no redesign of the 737 interior.
The baggage bins have been tweaked a little, but other then that their will be nothing new.
You can see the new bins on You Tube - AA is showing them off on their newest aircraft.
Don't hold your breath - there is nothing new.


User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3177 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4761 times:

Hopefully WN will get them soon


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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1001 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4604 times:



Quoting OyKIE (Reply 3):
In order to win the P8 competition Boeing had to make the frame lighter than the standard 737-800. The challange for Boeing is that they are not allowed to take technology from the military program directly into the commercial product.

Can you find a source OyKIE? The P8 airframe is what Boeing called the 737-800ERX when it was offered to commercial buyers. It is the -800 airframe upgraded to the 737-900ER MTOW. Usually when you increase the payload of an airframe the empty weight is also increased due to necessary reinforcements.


User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2755 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3791 times:



Quoting 7673mech (Reply 4):
There is no redesign of the 737 interior.
The baggage bins have been tweaked a little, but other then that their will be nothing new.
You can see the new bins on You Tube - AA is showing them off on their newest aircraft.
Don't hold your breath - there is nothing new.

According to the article in the link I provided above FlyDubai is Launch customer for the new interior. If that article is correct, then the new AA 737-800 was delivered with the old interior.

From Flightblogger:

Quote:
In the near term, Hamilton states that FlyDubai, which ordered 50 new 737-800 aircraft at the Farnborough Air Show in July, will be the launch customer for a new interior for the narrowbody, drawing on 787 features to remake the 737 cabin. Delivery was originally planned for September 2009, but Hamilton adds that it could be delayed by the Fall's two-month IAM strike.

The article says September 2009. But FlyDubai says they will start in June. Not sure if their first plane will feature the new interior, or if it will planes delivered from September and onwards.

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 6):
Can you find a source OyKIE?

I will provide you with a source after work DfwRevolution



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User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2755 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3708 times:



Quoting OyKIE (Reply 7):
I will provide you with a source after work DfwRevolution

Or right away  Smile http://www.leeham.net/filelib/ScottsColumn_121807.pdf

From the article:

Quote:
Boeing is now looking at enhancements for the 737 family that includes weight
reductions, aerodynamics and engine improvements. The CFM56 is the exclusive engine
on the 737 and it also powers many A320s, so the A320 will gain from any CFM
improvements as well.

A challenge for Boeing is that at least some of the 737 “E” research is happening in the
P-8A Poseidon program. This is the airplane being developed for the US Navy as a
replacement for the P-3A submarine hunter, based on the 1950s-era Lockheed Electra
turbo-prop. The P-8A program needs weight reduction and efficiency gains to meet Navy
specifications.

It does not say specifically that there is a weigt gain on the P-8A Posedion, only that it is an enhanced version of the 737, and that Boeing is not allowed to transfer technology form it. But just before mentioning the "E" research the article says that Boeing is looking at ways to reduce weight combined with awerodynamic improvements.



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User currently offlinePhollingsworth From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 825 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (5 years 8 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2844 times:



Quoting OyKIE (Reply 8):
It does not say specifically that there is a weigt gain on the P-8A Posedion, only that it is an enhanced version of the 737, and that Boeing is not allowed to transfer technology form it. But just before mentioning the "E" research the article says that Boeing is looking at ways to reduce weight combined with awerodynamic improvements.

Most of the performance improvements will probably not result in ITAR changes to the actual aircraft construction. There may be ITAR restricted methods and analysis included (more likely EAR than ITAR). There will be plenty of restricted things on the P8, but it probably will not be the weight reduction and aero improvements. Since the FAA certification engineer is sure to be a US person (citizen or PR) there is no export control. The screwed up thing about ITAR and EAR is that in many cases the only way to know you broke the law is to get arrested, it is that arbitrary.

The bigger issue is how the money flows. The article is generally correct that if the government pays for the cost of the upgrades directly then Boeing cannot easily transfer those to the civilian program. This is all about subsidies and WTO arguments, not about national security. What Boeing can do is spend their IR&D money, effectively a portion of their profit, from other programs. As long as the improvements actually get certified and/or delivered to a civilian customer first and they don't directly charge the government for their development cost they would be fine.


User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4577 posts, RR: 40
Reply 10, posted (5 years 8 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2291 times:



Quoting 7673mech (Reply 4):
There is no redesign of the 737 interior.
The baggage bins have been tweaked a little, but other then that their will be nothing new.
You can see the new bins on You Tube - AA is showing them off on their newest aircraft.
Don't hold your breath - there is nothing new.

Apparently it is a little bit more than that:

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2009/q2/090428d_nr.html

http://boeingblogs.com/randy/archives/2009/04/bsi_seattle.html

V/F



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User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2755 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (5 years 8 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2195 times:



Quoting VirginFlyer (Reply 10):
Apparently it is a little bit more than that:

I had the feeling that the people who claims to know were suspiciously quiet Smile



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User currently offlineTreeHillRavens From Malaysia, joined Jun 2007, 403 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 8 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2115 times:



Quoting 7673mech (Reply 4):
There is no redesign of the 737 interior.
The baggage bins have been tweaked a little, but other then that their will be nothing new.
You can see the new bins on You Tube - AA is showing them off on their newest aircraft.
Don't hold your breath - there is nothing new.

Well, it looks pretty major to me. New ceiling, a total redesigned overheard bins, new sidewalls and new overhead controls etc.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (5 years 8 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2094 times:

Here's a video:

http://www.king5.com/video/index.html?nvid=356293



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User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2755 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (5 years 8 months 23 hours ago) and read 2011 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 13):
Here's a video:

Thank you for sharing.  Silly



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31433 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (5 years 8 months 22 hours ago) and read 1965 times:
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Quoting OyKIE (Reply 7):
The article says September 2009. But FlyDubai says they will start in June. Not sure if their first plane will feature the new interior, or if it will planes delivered from September and onwards.

FlyDubai is picking up some early 737 delivery slots from other customer deferrals, so the earliest planes may not have it.


User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2755 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (5 years 8 months 19 hours ago) and read 1922 times:



Quoting Stitch (Reply 15):
FlyDubai is picking up some early 737 delivery slots from other customer deferrals, so the earliest planes may not have it.

Thank you for clarifying. I was unsure about this when I first started this thread. I saw the planes were almost complete, but then no news about the interior. When the press release came I understood that it must have been a change of plans.



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