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747 Followed By Fighter Jet Near Manhattan  
User currently offlineCuriousflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 694 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 26546 times:

Hello,

there is a cargo 747 fighter jet flying near Wall Street right now, closely followed by a fighter jet, anyone knows why?

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User currently offlineCuriousflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 694 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 26559 times:

More detail: it circled twice at low altitude, over the bay South of Manhattan and New Jersey, it looks like it is a cargo that has difficulties landing, half the office is at the windows watching (we are on a high floor in a tower on Wall St)...

Totally unusual sight.

It seems to be gone now.


User currently offlineCuriousflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 694 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 26501 times:

Gone. People got quite scared here.

My earlier post had a word missing. The cargo 747 was followed by a fighter jet.


User currently offlineCuriousflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 694 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 26454 times:

Well if everyone has any idea of what happened it will be interesting. It probably has landed in Newark by now.

User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 26454 times:

These are the CNBC Headlines coming across the wires - looks to have been a test

*J0URNAL CITES WORLD FINANCIAL CENTER SECURITY OFFICIALS
*PLANE WITH ESCORT WAS PART OF SCHEDULED TEST, WSJ SAYS
*PLANE SAID TO BE ESCORTED BY A MILITARY JET, CNBC SAYS
*LARGE PLANE SEEN OVER HUDSON WITH MILITARY ESCORT, WSJ SAYS

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User currently offlineCuriousflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 694 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 26419 times:

We were just told by our security staff that it was a military shooting exercise.

Not the best way for people to feel safe!


User currently offlineGregarious119 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 533 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 26378 times:

Seriously....a military shooting exercise over Manhattan?

Couldn't do that over...oh I don't know...North Dakota or something? There's gotta be something more to it than just an ill-thought out exercise..


User currently offlineSeansasLCY From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2007, 868 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 26326 times:

Just seen this on twitter:

From @BreakingNews:
A number of buildings were in the process of evacuation when a large commercial aircraft flew over New York City's Hudson River - CNBC.

A large commercial jet flew low over the Hudson River in NYC, accompanied by military aircraft. Officials say it is a drill.


User currently offlineSeansasLCY From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2007, 868 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 26262 times:

More from Reuters:

http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSTRE53Q3S820090427


User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 26264 times:

Local Media (doesn't say which one) is now claiming the Plane was the President's Jet (Not Air Force One as Obama was not onboard) doing a photo op around the Statue of Liberty

At this stage - who knows, but scare is over

NY PLANE SCARE WAS AIR FORCE ONE FLYING OVER STATUE OF LIBERTY FOR PHOTO OP, OBAMA NOT ON BOARD - LOCAL MEDIA

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User currently offlineCuriousflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 694 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 26197 times:

Reuters says it was the President's "back-up jet".

It was not the usual President's jet, as it was mostly white, not blue.

Why would one need a 747 to take a picture of the Statue of Liberty? there are dozens of helicopter here that will do the job better...


User currently offlinePlateMan From United States of America, joined May 2007, 923 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 26144 times:

Our headquarters (where I don't work) on the Hudson in Jersey City was evacuated.


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User currently offlinePlateMan From United States of America, joined May 2007, 923 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 26123 times:

http://wcbstv.com/breakingnewsalerts/military.jets.nyc.2.995375.html

"Some military aircraft flying over lower Manhattan caused a brief scare for residents, workers, and pedestrians on Monday, but CBS 2 has learned the jets are part of a Department of Defense photo shoot and that there is no threat to the city."

"Air Force officials say this was a photo mission for their crew."



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User currently offlineMetsfan1 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 26061 times:

I work in lower Manhattan and was getting coffee with a colleague. We looked out the window because we saw one of the NCL Cruise lines coming in and wanted to take a look at it. All of the sudden I saw a 747 swoop over the river and bank towards New Jersey with 2 fighters tailing it. It must have been at about 1-2 thousand feet tops. It looked very blue with a short hump and my first thought was that it was a KLM Cargo flight. Having been in the area for 9/11 I must say it scared the hell out of me, and am still a little jittery. I really thought I was witnessing another terrorist attack.

As the plane turned away I got a better look and thought it looked a little like AF1, which made me feel a little better. Regardless, if they want to do a photo op like this why not tell someone in the media. Make some sort of announcement making people aware of what is going on. Why do something irresponsible like this, and frighten scores of people down here. Many buildings chose to evacuate immediately. I think someone in the White House, FAA, or Air Force has some explaining to do.


User currently offlineCuriousflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 694 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 25993 times:



Quoting Metsfan1 (Reply 15):
Regardless, if they want to do a photo op like this why not tell someone in the media. Make some sort of announcement making people aware of what is going on. Why do something irresponsible like this, and frighten scores of people down here. Many buildings chose to evacuate immediately. I think someone in the White House, FAA, or Air Force has some explaining to do.

I fully agree - given the history of New York City in the past few years, with terrorist attacks and the US Airways airbus landing in the Hudson, it is not a proper way to proceed.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16878 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 25946 times:

Reminds me a few years ago there was a CO 777-200ER bringing troops home from Iraq (this is in 2003) and the pilots asked and received permission to do some fly by's of the Statue of Liberty for the soldiers. That got everyone all worked up, there's was a thread on here at the time.


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User currently offlineMetsfan1 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 25904 times:

Here is low quality image someone sent me at work. If you saw this and didn't know it was approved, you'd probably be pretty scared.

Big version: Width: 800 Height: 600 File size: 93kb


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16878 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 25850 times:

Was that photo taken from the Goldman Sachs building in Jersey City?..


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User currently offlineMetsfan1 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 25714 times:

May have been. Not totally sure. A guy in my office forwarded it to me from one of his friends.

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16878 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 25725 times:

The Staten Island Advance have another photo:

http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf...faa_says_lowflying_plane_over.html

[Edited 2009-04-27 08:16:43]


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User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3308 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 25275 times:
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Quoting STT757 (Reply 19):
The Staten Island Advance have another photo:

Well, it's definitely the VC-25 Obama's using. Interesting sight to see, surely. Guess the reports of a photo-op were correct. But couldn't they have told people? Or did they think it was worth it to potentially frighten people rather than giving away the VC-25's itinerary?

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User currently offlineDingDong From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 25208 times:



Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 20):
Guess the reports of a photo-op were correct. But couldn't they have told people?

The New York Times is currently reporting the FAA claims to have notified numerous agencies in advance, yet various people 'on the ground' at these agencies didn't know anything. If the FAA's assertion is true, then this suggests a major process breakdown in communication internally at these agencies.

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/20...one-backup-rattles-new-york-nerve/

The FAA said these agencies were notified:

- NYC mayor’s office
- NYC 911 and 311 operation centers
- NYC Police Department
- New Jersey State Police
- United States Park Police
- other agencies



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User currently offlineTsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 25174 times:

Here's an article by Reuters...according to it the FAA and NYC government were notified, but did not notify the public...so feel free to make what you will of that decision...

http://us.rd.yahoo.com/finance/exter...328_newsml&rpc=44&type=marketsNews


User currently offlineArcrftLvr From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 826 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 25071 times:

Yet again, another breakdown in communications between local government and the FAA. How are we supposed to have any faith that these two groups can effectively communicate when it's an actual emergency!!

User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6839 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (5 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 25069 times:



Quoting STT757 (Reply 17):
Was that photo taken from the Goldman Sachs building in Jersey City?

Statue on the left, Ellis Island on the right-- so it was taken from Manhattan.


25 DingDong : The story just got better. The update to the NY Times story (same link) says NYPD released a statement confirming they were notified but prohibited by
26 Bmacleod : The picture clearly shows it's a VC-25 or SAM 28000. I wonder where the cargo jet rumor came from.... I guess AF1 has certain privileges allowing it t
27 Phileet92 : any spotters happened to be out there with their cameras?
28 EMBQA : Not true at all... The fighter is a 2 seat F-16. The Air Force photographer is in the backseat taking the pictures..... Again incorrect... Last time
29 Metsfan1 : Unseasonably hot and hazy day for late April. Has been like this for the past few days. I thought it was one of the VC-25's after I saw the color when
30 Post contains links Indio66 : Its all over the NY Post web site (including a link to a video). www.nypost.com
31 SeeTheWorld : The same thing happened in DC a few years ago, but it was not the President's plane, but a military 737, I believe. It came swooping down the Potomac
32 Post contains images CARST : That picture really looks amazing... But how stupid is it that they didn't make that photo-op public before taking off? Miscommunication at its best..
33 EMBQA : No..... it's standard procedures. The Air Force NEVER gives information on the movement of the VC-25's.
34 FlyLKU : Not unless you want the aircraft in the photo. That aircraft is a target even when the president is not on board. I live in Arlington County VA and w
35 Alphaomega : Well, I can understand their concern about telling everyone 28000 would be flying low and slow around NYC, but just saying "military photo flights" w
36 413x3 : Great idea, lets let the public know when a symbol of America is flying low and slow over populated areas. Why not just send faxes to terrorists world
37 Gregarious119 : Wait wait wait... I was under the impression that the ONLY time that Air Force 1 has ever been "escorted" by military fighters was on 9-11-01. I don'
38 NQYGuy : I'm sure the brute force of the USAF would of blown the angel delight out of that aircraft (if it really were hijacked) BEFORE it'd reached NYC.
39 Post contains links FuturePilot16 : http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30435336 Just an excercise, glad to see people are really alert though
40 Mir : The point was to take a picture of the 747 with the statue, not just to take a picture of the statue. -Mir
41 Jbernie : No problem, they don't need to specify it is one of those planes participating, just announce that that the airforce will be taking photos of a large
42 707lvr : Also another tiny "drop in the bucket" of all the trillions of drops in buckets that make up the great ideas that somebody had to waste more money tha
43 AirlineCritic : On behalf of the a.net photographers, I would like to register our dissatisfaction that we were not informed prior to this great photo opportunity tak
44 Phelpsie87 : Correct, and based on what we know so far, the fighter could be the one taking the photographs... Although, probably not the worst idea to have a fig
45 ChrisNH : And here I was at Lowe's last week wondering whether I should 'do my part' and replace my lightbulbs with the curly-Q kind. If the government is going
46 Crjflyer35 : Did you not read Mir's reply only 5 steps before you? The point was to take a picture of the VC-25 WITH the Stature of Liberty. Wow, some people thes
47 Gregarious119 : Glad I'm not the only one
48 Acabgd : Yeah, just like they did on 9/11...Not! Besides brute force you also need some brains. Apparently someone today didn't quite well use theirs, in orde
49 Lufthansa411 : Jumbo jets fly low over Manhattan all of the time, however the NY's that are affected by it know what the "correct" position of these a/c are. For ex
50 Midcon385 : Makes one wonder, doesn't it. I think it's outrageous to have not warned the public in NYC about this, no matter how they had to word the warning to
51 YULWinterSkies : The major difference is that 1. there are no big building in ND, 2. the airspace is not NYC busy airspace, 3. how can you test ground reactions where
52 Aerobalance : photoshop it, save some money.....
53 Timz : Anybody else ever seen a 747 depart JFK runway 13R and pass low over the Brooklyn Bridge and Manhattan?
54 Metsfan1 : Yeah sorry never seen that. There is also a difference between the normal airliners into LGA or even from EWR the fly low over lower Manhattan and the
55 BMI727 : I think that they had a legit security concern. If terrorists found out that one VC-25 is in NYC, that means that only one is left. Disable it, and t
56 Viscount724 : At a press conference, NYC mayor Bloomberg said he is "furious" that he wasn't notified in advance of this flight.
57 Post contains links Platinumfoota : FAA being bashed for this one http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/30438822#30438822
58 B777a340fan : Wait! Government agencies are asked to cut budgets left and right to save money in these dire times and the Navy is conducting photo-ops missions?????
59 Dragon6172 : It is one thing to have an escort, and another to have fighters flying an on-wing escort. With the ranges of radars and missiles today, a fighter esc
60 Climb1 : Thats what I was wondering.........
61 BMI727 : Right, but it is still better to keep the movements of the VC-25s secret if possible.
62 SPREE34 : Time to get over it and live. They were wrong. Why are people, in this case alleged "Security", so quick to spread dis-information. The paint jobs ar
63 Alasdair1982 : No plain white 744 Freighters they could have used, so able to inform the public of the flypast, and get someone really good at photoshopping to turn
64 Burnsie28 : Yeah pretty scary when you can easily tell its Air Force One.....
65 BMI727 : Doing so would only gurantee that something like that would happen again.
66 SPREE34 : How so? Panicking every time a plane goes by is keeping your guard up?
67 BMI727 : A heathy vigilance never killed anyone. Terrorists have though. Quite frankly, the idea that things should go back to the way they were is flat out s
68 StealthZ : Informing the media might not have helped if the experience of Sydney is anything to go by. Whilst I understand the special situation and the still pa
69 SPREE34 : Nothing wrong with vigilance. The reactions to this flyby are anything but vigilant. They are panic driven and void of logic. What's stupid about goi
70 L410Turbolet : I think he has a very legitimate reason to be furious.
71 N62NA : WIth all the CGI available these days, you could easily photograph (still or video) the 747 flying anywhere, and then remove the original background
72 Timz : Yeah, it would be interesting to know how many people actually did give it a second glance. This thread makes it sound like people were running down
73 Midcon385 : I don't question that they had a legit security concern with the VC-25. That's certainly understandable with regards to those planes. But what I do q
74 N62NA : For those of you saying "what's wrong with these people for being scared." You are being extremely insensitive. Many people who lived through Sept 11
75 MSPNWA : I'd say that was more than just a photo op mission. Looks to me they were scaring people on purpose. I'm not amused at their failure to notify the pub
76 StealthZ : You can always count on the conspiracy folks... Why would they be doing that? Cheers
77 Alphaomega : I'm not saying anything to be insensitive, and at first glance I'd probably flip out as well, however seeing that the fighters were flying alongside
78 BMI727 : Maybe they were secretly dropping swine flu germs on New Yorkers so that they would get sick and we can invade Mexico. Because, sometimes Florida jus
79 Q120 : The senator is really ripping on the FAA.. Do they not know what air force 1 looks like.. common now
80 Osiris30 : Dear Terrorists: We are planning on flying a large jumbo jet through the NYC airspace with a fighter escort on xxx Date, please ensure that you plan
81 Mascmo : What if the president wanted a tour of Manhattan from the oval office in the air? Would they need to inform the citizens that The President of the Uni
82 N62NA : This will be my last post on this topic, as it will be very easy for me to get into an argument with my friends here on a.net who just don't get it.
83 Jbernie : You are making an assumption that everyone can SEE the aircraft involved, i'm sure a lot of people in many buildings could hear the noise but not see
84 HaYnFlyer : Open letter to the bone head at the White House Military Office who approved this flight so that the WH could get an "updated" picture of AF1 with the
85 Oroka : I think this was all just a bad idea. You shouldn't fly a large airliner anywhere near NY outside of standard air lanes. I could see it is was an emer
86 MidEx216 : Actually, 82-8000 and 92-9000 are painted the same. I wonder if you're thinking of Nightwatch? I understand your point, and I'm fully aware of this f
87 EWRkid1990 : FAA has become the MOST useless and incompetent government agency
88 CuriousFlyer : A few people noticed I described the airplane as a cargo, I also said it was not the presidential aircraft, both assertions turned out to be wrong. Bu
89 StasisLAX : NO EXCUSES FOR THIS STUNT - You can't scare the crap outta a couple million New Yorkers and get away with it. The Director of the White House Militar
90 Csm737 : 1. I agree that they probably should have said something vague to give people a heads up. However I think this is also a classic example of sensationl
91 Metsfan1 : I am an air enthusiast and I know what Sam-2800 vs. a cargo plane. I was there today and I saw a 747 streak between two buildings. It wasn't so easy t
92 Max Q : What a lot of needless hysteria, if the Air Force can't fly a 747 over Manhattan without a reaction like this maybe the 'Terrorist's have won' !!
93 Jbguller : Exactly. What would people have been like if it was WITHOUT the military escort though?? I'm surprised the VC-25 flying over the Hudson made people e
94 DocLightning : I agree. I can understand why you might want to keep it a secret if you were shooting photos of AF-1 over the desert. No reason to tell a bunch of te
95 B595 : Anyone know where the F16 in this photo-op was based? Atlantic City? Langley? Burlington?
96 Post contains links HB-IWC : Since we have now moved past the strictly aviation related aspects of this story and into more political territory, please continue this discussion in
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