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Incident At DXB Today!  
User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1749 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 15493 times:

Hi!

I was on the VS 401 from DXB to LHR this morning and we were holding at the runway for an hour due to an emergency evacuation (according to the captain) by the terminal...

Both runways were closed for over an hour due to all the fire cover being diverted to this emergency evacuation..

Can anyone share any information... was it an Emirates jet?

Thanks


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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5204 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 15378 times:



Quoting SKAirbus (Thread starter):
was it an Emirates jet?

Could be any airline, or the terminal itself. What makes you think it's Emirates? They're a worldclass airline with only new planes, so I doubt it...

KL911


User currently offlineLEEDS19 From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2008, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 15378 times:



Quoting SKAirbus (Thread starter):
Can anyone share any information... was it an Emirates jet?

Yes it was EK87 dep to ZRH and shorly after declared an emergency but the exact nature of which I am not aware.A/C landed 30L whilst you were at the holding point for 12L which is why you wouldnt seen it.EK87 eventually dep on another Aircraft mid afternoon.


User currently offlineDan330 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 439 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 15352 times:

Saw a story this morning, seems it involved an Emirates 777-300ER, EK087 to ZRH.
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2009/04/28/ap6346899.html

"Warning indication on forward cargo door" according tho the article but can't see how that would lead to an evacuation.

Haven't seen anything anywhere else though.


User currently offlineEnginebird From United States of America, joined May 2007, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 15339 times:

Aparently cargo hold smoke warning:

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=418c6b1e&opt=0


User currently offlineFRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1324 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 15338 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 1):
Could be any airline, or the terminal itself. What makes you think it's Emirates? They're a worldclass airline with only new planes, so I doubt it...

I am pretty sure he thought it was Emirates simply because of the number of flights they have there. The statistical probability is quite high. Kind of like if there is an incident at DFW, I am going to assume it was AA (until I find out more) just because of the high percentage of traffic they have there.



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User currently offlineTheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 15215 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 1):
Could be any airline, or the terminal itself. What makes you think it's Emirates? They're a worldclass airline with only new planes, so I doubt it...

Doesn't mean they won;t have any incidents or problems, all airlines do from time to time.


User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 14978 times:

Ahhh ok thanks for clearing that all up... But any news on if there was an actual evacuation as the Captain said on my VS flight today?


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User currently offlineAirbuspilot From Belgium, joined Apr 2000, 416 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 14960 times:

It was a cargo fire/smoke warning on climb out. Crew returned to DXB and followed procedures by the book. K6/K7 where blocked for a while together with the RWY in use, but after t hours all was back to normal.

Incident handled well by the crew, handled badly by the OMDB airport authority. Several flights in the air on approach to DXB received conflicting information on the actual status of the incident and their possible acceptance into Dubai. Luckilly several alternates are available around DXB in cases like this!


User currently offlineBochora From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2008, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 14792 times:

Anyone know what reg?

User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 14718 times:

It was very weird...

We pushed back from Terminal 1 a few minutes late, all four engines started (I was on G-VFOX) and we taxied to and held short of runway 12R... we stayed there for about 10 minutes before doing a U-turn and taxiing towards 12L... when we were there the captain explained what was happening, turned off the fasten seat belt signs and we sat there for an hour until departing from 12L.. They kept receiving conflicting information from the tower as we were about half an hour into the delay told we could depart but then it all went haywire... Was due to a lack of fire coverage to cover departing and landing aircraft...



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User currently offlineDLSLC From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 88 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 14102 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 1):
Could be any airline, or the terminal itself. What makes you think it's Emirates? They're a worldclass airline with only new planes, so I doubt it...

Haha this made me laugh. Just because they are newer aircraft AND a worldclass airline means nothing. Emergencies happen to any and all airlines regardless of how classy they are and the age of the aircraft.


User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13252 posts, RR: 100
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 13517 times:
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Quoting FRNT787 (Reply 5):
I am pretty sure he thought it was Emirates simply because of the number of flights they have there.

 checkmark  Put me into that camp too. As an aviation fan I have watched EK's growth with facination over the years, but as you noted, if its at a 'Fortress hub' you first suspect the dominant airline.

Quoting Enginebird (Reply 4):
http://www.avherald.com/h?article=418c6b1e&opt=0

6.5 hour delay? Ugh... something took far too long. I would have expected a 3 to 4 hour delay. It looks like the DXB fire department has a few drills ahead...

Good to hear it wasn't anything major.

Lightsaber



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User currently offline7673mech From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 732 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 13401 times:
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Quoting KL911 (Reply 1):
Could be any airline, or the terminal itself. What makes you think it's Emirates? They're a worldclass airline with only new planes, so I doubt it...

KL911

You've worked at airlines and your seriously saying that???
The person asked if it was Emirates because they have the largest amount of movements their.
Any airline, any aircraft can have an incident any day.
All dedicated employees strive to minimize these.
But seriously Emirates is not infallible.


User currently offlineSmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 12764 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 1):
Could be any airline, or the terminal itself. What makes you think it's Emirates? They're a worldclass airline with only new planes, so I doubt it...

How new was the A345 in Melbourne they recently have been reported to write off after a tail strike that was nearly catastrophic! Age doesn't really matter.

Glad everyone was safe and sound and arrived at their destination.


User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9149 posts, RR: 76
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 12559 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 1):
They're a worldclass airline with only new planes, so I doubt it...

Tell that to all the crew the EK sacked in the last month or so.



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User currently offlineRFields5421 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 7607 posts, RR: 32
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 12540 times:



Quoting Airbuspilot (Reply 8):
handled badly by the OMDB airport authority. Several flights in the air on approach to DXB received conflicting information on the actual status of the incident and their possible acceptance into Dubai.



Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 10):
They kept receiving conflicting information from the tower as we were about half an hour into the delay told we could depart but then it all went haywire... Was due to a lack of fire coverage to cover departing and landing aircraft...

Have you guys ever worked anywhere in an emergency situation?

It is mass confusion even with the best people and emergency plans.

Aviation/ airports are the worst case. In reality they should just issue a blanket - "The airport is closed for at least two hours - and maybe not then."

No one wants the airport closed. Not the airport authorities, not the airlines flying in or out, not the passengers.

So the airport tries to get traffic moving back to normal as fast as possible.

However, emergencies don't work that way. Until the plane is on the ground, all passengers and crew removed, the entire interior checked, the aircraft powered down and defueled, towed to a safe area - no one knows for sure the emergency is completely over.

The emergency team leaders keep getting pushed "When can we reopen the airport" and they give a best guess. Sometimes they are right, more often they are wrong and their estimates are too short.

Because telling their bosses the truth of how long it will take unless everything works perfectly will get them fired eventually for being too pessimistic.

Read the various transcripts released for the US Airways ditching in the Hudson River. I'm sure Dubai is somewhat like New York with several different frequencies, several different controllers, several different capabilities involved.

I'm not criticizing, but just asking you to imagine the complexity and uncertainty of an airport/ aircraft incident. Anyone can sit back and say they should have done this, should have done that and gotten the airport open sooner. Most places will hold such an after action review.

In real time when the situation is very fluid and changing second by second - no one in the world can be perfect with everything especially estimates as to how long it will take to be finished.

And as far as emergencies - when the airport/ runway will be reopened is far, far down the priority list.


User currently offlineStar_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 12460 times:



Quoting Zeke (Reply 15):
Tell that to all the crew the EK sacked in the last month or so.

How on earth is this relevant? They are running a business - these things happen. Harsh maybe, but true.


User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9149 posts, RR: 76
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 12353 times:



Quoting Star_world (Reply 17):

How on earth is this relevant? They are running a business - these things happen. Harsh maybe, but true.

I know that a number of crew have been have been involved in incidents, or processing the incident reports, including the head of safety. You run down a very slippery slope when you start taking punitive action against crews for reporting incidents or for trying to promote a "safety culture", it just promotes people to cover things up.



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User currently offlineAirJamaica From Jamaica, joined Aug 2006, 2544 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 12108 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 1):
Could be any airline, or the terminal itself. What makes you think it's Emirates? They're a worldclass airline with only new planes, so I doubt it...

In June of 2006 a QR A332 that had just been delivered to the company had a double engine flame out when it was preparing to land at PVG. EK is a trend-setter in the airline/aviation industry but certainly they are not above having a mechanical issue or two at some point in time.

Quoting FRNT787 (Reply 5):
I am pretty sure he thought it was Emirates simply because of the number of flights they have there. The statistical probability is quite high. Kind of like if there is an incident at DFW, I am going to assume it was AA (until I find out more) just because of the high percentage of traffic they have there.

Exactly. Likewise if it was an incident at ATL I would be quick to think a DL aircraft, ORD..UA, MSP..NW etc, etc.

Quoting Theginge (Reply 6):
Doesn't mean they won;t have any incidents or problems, all airlines do from time to time.



Quoting DLSLC (Reply 11):
Just because they are newer aircraft AND a worldclass airline means nothing. Emergencies happen to any and all airlines regardless of how classy they are and the age of the aircraft.



Quoting 7673mech (Reply 13):
The person asked if it was Emirates because they have the largest amount of movements their.
Any airline, any aircraft can have an incident any day.
All dedicated employees strive to minimize these.
But seriously Emirates is not infallible.



Quoting Smi0006 (Reply 14):
Age doesn't really matter.

Glad everyone was safe and sound and arrived at their destination.

Exactly. Glad everything turn out fine as well.



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User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1644 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 11430 times:

It was handled well. The a/c was parked in front of the EK office main building and the entire activity was visible from the office terrace.

I guess the A/C was A6-EBQ 777-300


User currently offlineRobbie86 From Sweden, joined May 2006, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 9348 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 1):
They're a worldclass airline with only new planes, so I doubt it...

So a new plane can't have manufacturing problems?  Wink



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User currently offlineAviationfreak From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1166 posts, RR: 40
Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 8695 times:

Was the a/c involved quite new and do they spray the cabins and cargo holds in DBX?

I remember handling EK's brand new 773ER at AKL. Their smoke detectors were so sensitive that after spraying the cargo holds and closed the doors upon departure the captain sometimes got a smoke alarm on the taxiway.

What we then used to do was standing by with a belt loader and in any case of a smoke alarm we then drove to the a/c on the taxiway and opened the cargo hold door to ventilate and closed the door again. *restart engines and proceed departure as normal*

Granted. Not quite professional either.



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User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8250 times:



Quoting Aviationfreak (Reply 22):
Was the a/c involved quite new and do they spray the cabins and cargo holds in DBX?

Well all flights into the EU arriving from the middle east have to be sprayed before departure so I guess so.. Then again Switzerland isn't in the EU but tend to adhere to the majority of laws.

However aircraft depart Dubai many times a day to Europe... I'm looking forward to hearing what caused this incident.. At least my flight departed and landed safely!



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User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7377 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7896 times:



Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 23):
Well all flights into the EU arriving from the middle east have to be sprayed before departure



Quoting Aviationfreak (Reply 22):
Their smoke detectors were so sensitive that after spraying the cargo holds and closed the doors upon departure the captain sometimes got a smoke alarm on the taxiway.

It would be interesting to know if this simple item is what caused the warning signal in the cockpit, unfortunately, for such a simple management issue, I hold no hope that if true it will ever be publicy admitted. When you consider the amount of funds expended by the airline and the airport authorities, the "problem" has to be something more significant than how to spray and properly ventilate the hold, most likely will be a faulty sensor. Procedures will be changed down the road after things have calmed down and rational thought takes over.


25 LHR777 : Not true mate - BA, for example, no longer have to spray the cabins on the DXB-LHR route.
26 SKAirbus : Hmm strange... our VS cabin was sprayed yesterday and according to the crew it was the Department of Agriculture and the EU that required they did it
27 L410Turbolet : LOL. This "world class" airline nearly crashed an A340 in MEL only few weeks ago.
28 AirIndia : thats the answer in ur own question. nearly crashed is not the same as crashed, unlike other worldclass airliners in recent memory - BA, SQ, QF, AF .
29 EK413 : Ummm, world class airline... Did I miss something...? What would you classify BA,KL,AF,QF,LH... These are world class airlines... I'm glad the bubble
30 SandroZRH : I wouldn't classify passing an obstacle 500m from the DER at a height of 1m being a result of safety procedures, but mere luck. That incident could v
31 SQ_EK_freak : Just to add to the thread, the flights that diverted to Abu Dhabi were from Jet Airways and Biman Bangladesh Airlines. Qatar Airways, PIA and Kabu Air
32 413X3 : wow what a pointless comment! so only "old" airplanes and "non" worldclass airlines have issues. Got it. Looks to me like we found out who drinks the
33 AirIndia : landed safely with a gaping hole. similarly, EK landed safely, with a scapped ass...... thats why the comparison.....
34 SKAirbus : There should really be gynecologists for planes!
35 WILCO737 : Ok guys, back to the thread topic! Discuss that incident and not if EK is a worldclass airline or not. Thanks. wilco737
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