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Porter Unveils Plans For New Island Air Terminal  
User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3143 posts, RR: 10
Posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 8269 times:

Apparently Porter is in the process of constructing a new $45 Million terminal for Toronto City Centre Airport. Also they state that they will double their fleet size to 20 aircraft by the end of the year. For a relatively small airline they must be doing something right. I wish them well.

Courtesy: The Globe And Mail

Porter Unveils Plans For New Island Air Terminal

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl...TER28ART2352/TPStory/?query=Porter

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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2908 posts, RR: 31
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8073 times:

Wow! Great to see Porter Airlines pushing ahead with its expansion plans. Seems as though YTZ is a lot like our own LGB and SNA where the community protests are trumped by pax supporting the services.


Flying in the middle seat of coach is much better than not flying at all!
User currently offlineCytz_pilot From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 569 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7856 times:

They have a good situation down at YTZ.

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 1):
Seems as though YTZ is a lot like our own LGB and SNA where the community protests are trumped by pax supporting the services.

When they first started up they had a lot of flak from the local community who hated the thought of aircraft making noise in the middle of downtown where they live (yes, I'm aware of the irony). It was enough to get an anti-airport-expansion mayor elected.

It was sad that I voted for the mayor even though I disagreed with his plan to cancel the bridge. I liked his platform on just about everything else. Now, years later, the only big accomplishment of his run as mayor was canceling the bridge. Unfortunately, since the contracts had been written up, and the bridge was ready to build and approved in writing by 3 levels of government, a large amount of money went to Porter to avoid a lawsuit.

He invested instead in a bigger passenger ferry and ferry terminal facilities on either end, but I think one day we may again see a bridge on the drawing board. Now that the business has started regardless of the bridge, flourished, offers a great service for Toronto and local residents, and is adding hundreds of local jobs for the airline, terminal construction and Canadian aircraft builders, those same groups can barely find a handful of protesters who will march against expansion. Wrong time to protest a successful business.

-Chris


User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 7819 times:

Nice to see an airline announcing expansion plans in this economy!

Regards
BWIA 772



Eagles Soar!
User currently offlineIrobertson From Canada, joined Apr 2006, 601 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 7114 times:

To read that NDP MP and wife of the party leader Olivia Chow was protesting the expansion plans makes me convinced that the NDP need to give their heads a shake. This company is doing good, clean, business, creating jobs and stimulating the economy and tourism of Ontario, the Maritimes, Ottawa, Quebec...

YTZ is a smart idea and some of these narrow minded politicians who only say what their equally narrow-minded rich supporters tell them to need to start growing a brain of their own and look at the big picture. YTZ could easily be the birth of another LCY, an airport integral to the downtown core of that city.


User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3156 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6932 times:



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 1):
Seems as though YTZ is a lot like our own LGB and SNA where the community protests are trumped by pax supporting the services.

From what I've read, I'm not sure how much trumping can take place at LGB before the community organizers tip the scale. And remember Chicago Meigs? It, too, had commercial service at one point (with aircraft not much different than Porter's), and like YTZ had an unfriendly mayor.

In light of all that, this is a bold move by Porter, establishing a more permanent and significant "beachhead", and I wish them well.

-Rampart


User currently offlineCytz_pilot From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 569 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6495 times:



Quoting Irobertson (Reply 4):
To read that NDP MP and wife of the party leader Olivia Chow was protesting the expansion plans makes me convinced that the NDP need to give their heads a shake.

IMO, I think her continued position may be more of a political move than anything else. She was a large force against airport expansion back when it could have mattered, and she probably wouldn't risk flip-flopping on the issue, fearing the backlash and the potential loss of her seat. Really, as a party, the NDP is holding on by a fingernail already and a lost seat would definitely hurt.


User currently offlineZBA2CGX From Canada, joined Mar 2006, 92 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6404 times:

I don't think Mayor Millar want's to piss off Transport Canada or the feds at this moment by digging up the runways like Mayor Daley. I believe he is looking for some cash from them to purchase $1.22 Billion in light rail vehicles. So he may have to do some groveling to get the money he wants.

User currently onlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 924 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6146 times:

PD had ordered 18 Q400's, with 8 delivered, as per the 31 Jan 2009 Bombardier update. Have the 19th and 20th been ordered yet and has PD taken QX delivery slots? I recall QX wanting to defer some deliveries.

PA515

[Edited 2009-04-29 15:49:40]

[Edited 2009-04-29 15:55:11]

User currently offlineKingCavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1314 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6076 times:

Does anyone have a link with some pictures of the new terminal? I can only find this one -

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/b...m-in-expanded-island-terminal.aspx



Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16365 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5878 times:



Quoting Irobertson (Reply 4):
To read that NDP MP and wife of the party leader Olivia Chow was protesting the expansion plans makes me convinced that the NDP need to give their heads a shake. This company is doing good, clean, business, creating jobs and stimulating the economy and tourism of Ontario, the Maritimes, Ottawa, Quebec...

The NDP is a hard-left socialist party. They do not believe in private enterprise succeeding, despite the fact that Porter is Toronto's largest business startup in the past 5 years with most of the jobs based right in Olivia Chow's riding.

Miller is of the same ilk,,,,left-wing, anti-business, anti-progress, tax-and-spend.

Anyway, congrats to Porter on their new terminal.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23299 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5760 times:



Quoting Rampart (Reply 5):
And remember Chicago Meigs? It, too, had commercial service at one point (with aircraft not much different than Porter's), and like YTZ had an unfriendly mayor.

CGX never had service on anything larger than 19 seats nor, to my knowledge, did it ever have more than about 5-10 flights/day.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2296 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5739 times:

Driving by yesterday I noticed the steel skeleton is already up on the far left portion of the picture from the National Post. I hadn't realized they were so far under construction already. The US Customs preclearance will be a big boon and make arrivals in Newark and Midway much easier.

User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4414 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5728 times:

Are they planing on expanding to Washington and Boston from here? This would be an improvement I am willing to pay extra for.

If we could get the expansion of the runway to allow for small jets and stuff we could conceivably have an LCY at YTZ.  duck   embarrassed  I am embarrassed by the communists who run the city of Toronto, who are stupid and short sighted. My real feelings can't be expressed here as I will be banned...again.

[Edited 2009-04-30 07:21:22]


Rush for ever; Yankees all the way!!
User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4414 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5702 times:



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 1):
Wow! Great to see Porter Airlines pushing ahead with its expansion plans. Seems as though YTZ is a lot like our own LGB and SNA where the community protests are trumped by pax supporting the services.

YTZ will only become like LGB and SNA when they can expand the runway and make more parking available for both aircraft and cars.



Rush for ever; Yankees all the way!!
User currently offlineConnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 5623 times:



Quoting Brilondon (Reply 14):

Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 1):
Wow! Great to see Porter Airlines pushing ahead with its expansion plans. Seems as though YTZ is a lot like our own LGB and SNA where the community protests are trumped by pax supporting the services.

YTZ will only become like LGB and SNA when they can expand the runway and make more parking available for both aircraft and cars.

Which will only become a reality after the David Millar era, if ever.



Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2296 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 5570 times:

Runway expansion is a no go. No one will wade into that kettle of fish. Jets have been banned forever and not even the feds are going to fight that one. If Porter continues on solid footing watch for the bridge to return in post Miller years. However, for the near future the airport will just max out within the existing footprint and with ferry service. Boston and DC will be next for US departures. DCA would fit the model of downtown to downtown service but I don't think there is a chance of getting good slots for key periods.

User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4414 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5478 times:



Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 15):
Which will only become a reality after the David Millar era, if ever.

We can dream about that day.  Cool



Rush for ever; Yankees all the way!!
User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5478 posts, RR: 31
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5381 times:

Why does Tranna keep insisting on electing wackos...? Granted, there aren't very many sane mayors out there...but the Big Smoke mayors are REALLY out there...


What the...?
User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3070 posts, RR: 36
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5366 times:
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Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 11):
CGX never had service on anything larger than 19 seats nor, to my knowledge, did it ever have more than about 5-10 flights/day.

Actually Air Illinois flew HS748s into CGX, 48 seats. And I thought that UAEx flew Jetstream 41s in for a time as well?

Though granted is someone had had something like the Q400 for CGX, might of made a big difference. I think only had services to SPI and maybe STL at CGX?

But anyways, the tide in Toronto is turning against Miller these days, he might win the next election but he's going to lose most of his cronies in City Hall.

And Olivia Chow doesnt give a flying bleep about jobs in her riding, she cares about jobs for her residents which isn't the same thing. And no i doubt many of Porter's employees live in Trinity-Spadina.

Go Porter go!



Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
User currently offlineConnies4ever From Canada, joined Feb 2006, 4066 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5248 times:



Quoting Pnwtraveler (Reply 16):
Runway expansion is a no go. No one will wade into that kettle of fish.

I realize extending the main E-W runway is very unlikely, but it would be kind of neat to see what Porter (or anyone else, once/if they get in) would do with a Q400 unrestricted on payload. I think they only need about another 800 feet or so. I believe the YHZ flights are payload restricted, for example.



Nostalgia isn't what it used to be.
User currently offlineJamincan From Canada, joined Aug 2006, 776 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5226 times:



Quoting Connies4ever (Reply 20):

I realize extending the main E-W runway is very unlikely, but it would be kind of neat to see what Porter (or anyone else, once/if they get in) would do with a Q400 unrestricted on payload. I think they only need about another 800 feet or so. I believe the YHZ flights are payload restricted, for example.

That would be the case if they flew the route direct; however, all the YHZ flights are via YOW.


User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5215 times:

Nice work going on at YTZ these days.

I think when i'm in Canada next, i'll have to try out this airline for sure. They seem to be getting ever more popular by the week it seems  Smile


Well done!



Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own
User currently offlineGabrielz From United States of America, joined May 2004, 94 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5167 times:

I remember when I was in University (dad worked for AC), I'd fly the AirOntario flights out of YTZ to YUL and YOW to visit my friends all the time. They were great then - and I'd travel from the near Northern suburbs (North York, natch) to YTZ instead of YYZ for the simplicity.

Today, PD provides an excellent service, and YTZ is in the best shape its even been. The only thing holding me back from flying PD all the time is the lack of NEXUS access at the island. At YYZ I don't wait more than 30 seconds to clear immigration and customs, and the 2 person desk at YTZ wipes out the savings for me. Once they put one in, I'm switching - permanently - to PD. No more AC!

Get a NEXUS machine, people!  Smile

-G


User currently offlineAAMD11 From UK - Wales, joined Nov 2001, 1061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5144 times:



Quoting Jamincan (Reply 21):
That would be the case if they flew the route direct; however, all the YHZ flights are via YOW.

During the Christmas period for the last two years now, they've run direct YHZ service from the Island. They had a few problems with weights.

I can't be certain of the numbers, but the empty weight of their Q400's is around 40,000lb, give or take a couple of hundred. The fuel burned on the trip to YHZ, direct, is in the 6,000lb region. The MTOW is limited by a thousand or two from the island due to the shorter runway - the MTOW elsewhere is around 64,000lb.

Say you load 8,000lb fuel. Fuelled weight is now 48,000lb. Assume the MTOW is 62,000 - that gives you payload of 14,000lb.

Assume seventy passengers without any bags, average passenger weighing 170lb. That's 11,900 already. That allows for 2,100lb of baggage to be carried... or around 30lb of baggage... each passenger is permitted 50lb of baggage. Halifax-bound passengers usually bring what they're permitted, and then some... so I'm told.


25 Post contains links and images Cytz_pilot : I haven't been able to find anything, but for a slightly off-topic self-gloss, I have a series of aerial shots of YTZ from early January in a trip re
26 Bravo1six : Except TC specifies an assumed weight (passenger and carry on) of 200lbs per male and 165lbs per female. So you if you split a 70 pax load 50/50 betw
27 AAMD11 : Exactly the point I was making, without using official passenger weights. As I said, I'm told that their Q400s tend to operate at 62,000lb MTOW or le
28 Brilondon : The people of Toronto are really out there and have been breathing their the air in Toronto for far too long. There is a reason it is nick named the
29 Post contains links and images HarrisonRuess : I was just into City Centre / YTZ yesterday afternoon. My friend snapped a couple pictures (I was busy flying lol). For being through the glass and w
30 Cubsrule : Good catch-- I forgot about Air Illinois. As far as I know, the Junkstreams never came to CGX. This comparison to CGX is really interesting to me bec
31 Viscount724 : Toronto also had 3 at one time. Buttonville Municipal Airport (YKZ), about 18 north of downtown Toronto, has had several scheduled commuter operators
32 Yyz717 : They used Air Atlantic Dash 8-100's. The service from YKZ was operating in 1988/89. Not sure about start/end date.
33 Brilondon : Me and my friend Al fly our planes from YKZ when we get a chance, very busy on a sunny summer afternoon. Interesting that there was scheduled service
34 Airnerd : Is that a Dash 7 at the top of the picture? Who owns it? Is there regular service of some kind? I'd love to get a ride on a Dash 7.
35 Post contains images NorthStarDC4M : It belongs to Trans Capital I believe who are based at YTZ, no scheduled service. Both Trans Capital and sometimes Voyageur Airways Dash 7s show up a
36 Post contains images LouA340 : I have seen the construction go on for quite some time now. I believe it was around Oct 08 that I first noticed some sort of construction going on. Th
37 KingCavalier : Thank you for sharing. That's not a bad window view you got there. Porter has a sweet little operation there.
38 Post contains links Yhu : The DH7's do indeed belong to Trans Capitol. They own Hangar 1, the red brick hangar the DH7 is parked beside in that photo. The have at least 3 of th
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