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New 737 Interior - "Boeing Sky Interior"  
User currently offlineUpstateDave From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 210 posts, RR: 1
Posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 26012 times:

Now on Randy's Blog...

http://boeingblogs.com/randy/

Look really cool and launching with 7 customers late next year.

* FlyDubai - Dubai, United Arab Emirates
* Continental Airlines - Houston
* Norwegian Air Shuttle ASA - Fornebu, Norway
* Malaysia Airlines - Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia
* TUI Travel PLC - London
* GOL Airlines - Sao Paulo, Brazil
* Lion Air - Jakarta, Indonesia


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User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2834 posts, RR: 45
Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 25995 times:

The improved interior width is a definite improvement, although the LED "sky" is largely marketing hype.

User currently offlineVirgin747lgw From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2007, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 25920 times:

wow didnt expect that! Anyone else think the current A320 cabin is going to need a redesign if Airbus is serious about competing with Boeing?

User currently offlineCAL764 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 25923 times:

Very nice product enhancement...it states CO will make a 737-800 available to Boeing for testing.


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User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2834 posts, RR: 45
Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 25914 times:



Quoting Virgin747lgw (Reply 2):
Anyone else think the current A320 cabin is going to need a redesign if Airbus is serious about competing with Boeing?

No; the A-320 cabin is already perfectly competitive.


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 20194 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 25886 times:



Quoting PGNCS (Reply 4):

No; the A-320 cabin is already perfectly competitive.

I think the new B cabin is a bit lighter. From a passenger comfort point of view, Boeing's is a touch prettier... That isn't going to sell a plane.

In the long run, this isn't going to radically change the on-board experience. It's going to be a long-ass flight from JFK to SFO sitting on a butt-buster of a seat, squirming to get out of there. But the overhead will be a bit pretty, and might capture my attention for an extra 30-60 seconds of the flight!


User currently offlineUpstateDave From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 210 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 25842 times:

Don't forget airbus came out with their enhanced interior for the A320 last year that was touted as offering weight savings over the previous models. Also has simpler ceiling, new handles and bin shape and new PSUs with new LED lights that illuminate slowly.

B6, VX, among others worldwide have it.



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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3926 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 25777 times:



Quoting UpstateDave (Reply 7):
B6, VX, among others worldwide have it.

I think the difference is that the new Airbus interior seems to be standard from a certain line number, regardless of wither you want it or not. The boeing version seems to be a customer option?

It looks good though, although I do wonder if the height of the bin itself has been sacrificed to make it pivot? I find that space above my carry-on useful for putting jacket and things...

Brian.



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User currently offlineHaggis79 From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 1096 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 25654 times:



Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 8):
It looks good though, although I do wonder if the height of the bin itself has been sacrificed to make it pivot? I find that space above my carry-on useful for putting jacket and things...

from what it looks like, the "ceiling" above the window seat will be a bit lower, making space for a more vertical, pivoting bin arrangement which leads to more headroom creating a more spacious feel in the aisle and the aisle seats.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 25598 times:

They also announced a 2% improvement in efficiency from aero and engine tweaks (still to be tested on a 738 testbed supplied by CO).

Quoting UpstateDave (Reply 7):
Don't forget airbus came out with their enhanced interior for the A320 last year

Who's forgotten?



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User currently offlineWROORD From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 962 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 25599 times:

The interior looks great with the new lighting and bigger windows. I hate the pivot bins, they are really awkward a no space on top of my carry on for coats and small bags. Not sure why they would do that?

User currently offlineSmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 25526 times:

I most certainly hope QF goes for them on their new 738 although the first few are due at the end of this year, perhaps the next bunch, I am rather confused though is it an optional interior or thats it from now on with airline added extras after that, what will the basic interrior from now on consist of?

User currently offlineUpstateDave From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 210 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 25521 times:



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
Who's forgotten?



Quoting Virgin747lgw (Reply 2):
wow didnt expect that! Anyone else think the current A320 cabin is going to need a redesign if Airbus is serious about competing with Boeing?

My post based on this



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User currently offlinePGNCS From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 2834 posts, RR: 45
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 25474 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):
Quoting PGNCS (Reply 4):

No; the A-320 cabin is already perfectly competitive.


I think the new B cabin is a bit lighter. From a passenger comfort point of view, Boeing's is a touch prettier... That isn't going to sell a plane.

We agree to disagree!  Smile

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):
In the long run, this isn't going to radically change the on-board experience. It's going to be a long-ass flight from JFK to SFO sitting on a butt-buster of a seat, squirming to get out of there. But the overhead will be a bit pretty, and might capture my attention for an extra 30-60 seconds of the flight!

Really? You think it could be interesting for up to 60 seconds?  Wink

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
They also announced a 2% improvement in efficiency from aero and engine tweaks (still to be tested on a 738 testbed supplied by CO).

This, however, IS a big deal; far bigger than new interior sidewall contours covering a 50 year old fuselage.


User currently offlineCoalways From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 372 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 25380 times:

So Continental will get all new deliveries with this state of the Art Cabin sometime late next year so will they get older 737-800,900,900ER refitted with the new Design?

User currently offlineDLHFLYER From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 25262 times:

A little overated honestly. Not that anyone will really notice or even care about these changes. It's better than doing nothing, but it's also not that amazing. And the pictures will not be reminscent of the airliners cabins, which will have less light, and will be more crammed. As stated above, it is nice that they are doing something.


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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16892 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 25204 times:



Quote:
New sculpted sidewalls are also part of the new look in the cabin, adding some additional interior width. Together with the other architectural features such as the pivot bins and the LED lighting, the cabin will appear significantly larger and wider.

I think people will notice, especially those of us who love window seats:

Quote:
Also, while the actual size of the structural window remains the same, by redesigning the inner window “reveal” and window shade, we’ve added a bit to the maximum viewable area – amounting to about 10% greater viewing than the A320.




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User currently offlineRsg85 From Australia, joined Aug 2006, 257 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 25067 times:

Correct me if im wrong but i thought the pivot style overheads are similar to the older pre 90's style bins that were turfed for the current style because the current ones hold more and are easier to close.
Also will the pivots have some sort of gas strut system to assist with closing or are FA's going to have to start lifting 30kg or more above thier heads to close them.


User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 80
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 24986 times:



Quoting WROORD (Reply 11):
I hate the pivot bins, they are really awkward a no space on top of my carry on for coats and small bags. Not sure why they would do that?

They hold considerably more rolly bags, which is the number one hog of overhead space.

Quoting DLHFLYER (Reply 16):
And the pictures will not be reminscent of the airliners cabins, which will have less light, and will be more crammed.

How will they have less light? As far as I know, interior lighting isn't an airline option (other than the option of the entire cabin.)

Quoting Rsg85 (Reply 18):
Correct me if im wrong but i thought the pivot style overheads are similar to the older pre 90's style bins that were turfed for the current style because the current ones hold more and are easier to close.

They're not the same. The current pivot pins are like those on the 777...they'll actually take a rolly bag longways, where the current ones can only do that for very very short rolly bags.

Tom.


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9690 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 24956 times:



Quoting DocLightning (Reply 5):

In the long run, this isn't going to radically change the on-board experience. It's going to be a long-ass flight from JFK to SFO sitting on a butt-buster of a seat, squirming to get out of there. But the overhead will be a bit pretty, and might capture my attention for an extra 30-60 seconds of the flight!

The new interior is a significant reduction in weight (in airplane terms where 1 pound saved is noted as a significant accomplishment). This will mean lower fuel burn costs and increased payload. That means that there are lower trip costs for the airline and a cost advantage over previous generations and the competition.



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User currently offlineSxf24 From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 1262 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 24957 times:



Quoting Rsg85 (Reply 18):
Also will the pivots have some sort of gas strut system to assist with closing or are FA's going to have to start lifting 30kg or more above thier heads to close them.

If they're like the 777, they will be very easy to close.


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25843 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 24915 times:



Quoting PGNCS (Reply 4):
Quoting Virgin747lgw (Reply 2):
Anyone else think the current A320 cabin is going to need a redesign if Airbus is serious about competing with Boeing?

No; the A-320 cabin is already perfectly competitive.

A320 family interiors (overhead service units, wall and ceiling panels etc.) were redesigned recently. I've been on a couple of newly-delivered aircraft with the new interiors recently (AF and BA). The changes aren't major but the cabin does look a little more modern.

I would rather Boeing spend money on things that would really make a difference to passengers rather than on useless gimmicks like mood lighting.

Quoting Flood (Reply 6):
There was a previous thread which was apparently pulled for some reason,



Quoting WROORD (Reply 11):
The interior looks great with the new lighting and bigger windows.

The windows are the same size. Only the inner panels surrounding the windows now have a more oval shape.


User currently offlineHaggis79 From Germany, joined Jun 2006, 1096 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 24845 times:



Quoting WROORD (Reply 11):
The interior looks great with the new lighting and bigger windows.

read again, the windows are the same size as before, it's just the framing that is different.

Quoting WROORD (Reply 11):
I hate the pivot bins, they are really awkward a no space on top of my carry on for coats and small bags. Not sure why they would do that?

well, I guess they hold more rollaboards.... plus, they give the cabin a kind of new, "cool" look (maybe just because it's different than before).



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User currently offlineAFGMEL From Australia, joined Jul 2007, 744 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 24825 times:

It looks good and will do well for image, but at the end of the day, the cabin is too narrow for this 6'4" yeti anyway. My shoulders simply do not fit in the seat and I have to spill over. While I may be overweight, it's not my stomach that's the issue. Lucky I don't travel alone. The A320 is better, just.


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User currently offlineAQ737 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 24957 times:

Does this design mean that all operators with this interior have to install PTVs if they want to have video entertainment? I don't see where flip-down LCDs could go - perhaps why AA isn't on the list...

Aq737


25 KochamLOT : at a time when airlines are cutting all the free baggage policies of not too long ago, manufacturers are able to make bins even larger. How ironic. I
26 NASBWI : I'm not sure about the issues some may face with storage of larger carryons on widebody aircraft, but when it comes to narrowbodies, I have to say tha
27 CALPSAFltSkeds : Well, in coach with pitch about 31-33 inches, the overhead bins at best provide space for two 16 inch roller bags per row. Unless they find a way to s
28 DocLightning : Yes, yes, I already pointed that out. But it's not going to change the passenger experience appreciably.
29 Ikramerica : Ah, I see. My bad. Quoting would have made it clearer. And for airlines that put video screens over the aisles, you'll be able to see them from the w
30 OyKIE : If everything else is equal, then pretty will sell. If I were to choose between two cars that was technically equal, I would go with the best designe
31 NZ107 : Looks rather nice. I guess this is their interim product till they get Y3 underway.. How exactly will mood lighting be appealing to airlines flying 1
32 OyKIE : It looks rather nice! I wonder if they will launch a new engine for this airframe, or if Boeing find it to complex? The benefit of the 737 is the sup
33 Vasu : Cannot agree more... I wonder what will happen about this issue?
34 Parapente : Not wishing to be perverse but I believe that this new interior is a very big deal. I have just read an article this morning in the business pages by
35 Post contains links FWI747 : Apparently not : http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...grades-cfm56-engine-for-737ng.html "[...]The weight-neutral interior will be a priced option
36 Motorhussy : Looks great but they are just cosmetic and fairly superficial improvements that can be achieved and improved on further with the equivalent Airbus as
37 DLHFLYER : Because every plane I have been on doesn't look as good as the marketing pictures. Boeing is trying to sell airplanes, so of course, they will make i
38 Sxf24 : The passenger experience is largely within the control of the airline.
39 Virgin747lgw : Yea i knew about that, I just think this new interior is much more modern and passenger friendly than the A320 one, after reading most of the comment
40 TISTPAA727 : I like the interior and hope DL decides to take future deliveries with this. I also do believe passengers will notice. I don't think you are giving en
41 Parapente : How much more can Boeing do? It all depends on time lines. We know that Cfm -they have stated - that their new core shouls be ready in 5 years time. F
42 Trent1000 : From the pic in the original link: Is that 4 pieces of luggage for 9 passengers or is it 4 pieces for 12 passengers? (i.e. one bin per 3 or 4 rows). H
43 OyKIE : I see. It's a shame though. Would love to see it on older planes as well. SAS changed the MD-80 bins to MD-90 bins. That might have been a cheaper up
44 Ikramerica : No narrowbody has that capacity. It's 2 rollerboard bags per 3 pax in the modern interiors. These bins are the same width as the current extended bin
45 DocLightning : No, I agree with you. This looks a lot cuter than the new A320 interior. But, really, it's just that: cute. It isn't going to revolutionize narrowbod
46 Phllax : You know, I always wondered why Boeing never upgraded the sidewalls, bins and PSU of the 80's manufactured 737-200's and 727-200's to match those of t
47 Post contains links Shed360 : All I noticed is how bad the seat covers are fitted in the photo. Sorry it's what I do and that is poor in a publicity photo http://www.boeing.com/new
48 Ikramerica : They mention the new side walls, but not if the seats can even be .1" wider as a result. The "bigger windows" sure look bigger, but the window is sti
49 Snn2003 : "Other features: * New, touch screen flight attendant panels and controls" YAY!!!!! I'm sold...If only the new controls would let us mute the call but
50 Falcon84 : Glad to see CO will be putting these new intereriors onboard. Itr looks very sharp.
51 Viscount724 : For example, they could enlarge the windows, not just the inner plastic window surrounds which is a cosmetic change only. Boeing installed larger 777
52 CB777 : I hope that CO can retrofit their existing B737NG fleet and maybe the B757's can also receive this interior
53 BMIFlyer : Ding Ding! That interior looks fantastic I can't wait to fly in it Lee
54 Rwdriver : OK,,, couple of notes - from a guy that spends about 150 days a year on an airplane: 1. If passengers want more window views - why just create a large
55 Tdscanuck : Mood lightning isn't a useless gimmick...it actually makes a difference to how passengers perceive their trip, even if they can't explain why. I'm pr
56 Ikramerica : I have nothing but disdain for that comment, as it shows you have disdain for your pax. The bins seem to allow you to place smaller items on top of t
57 Snn2003 : Awww I was just kidding....
58 Post contains links OyKIE : It might have something to do with maintenance cost to go with larger windows, and the low cost carriers could be worried. But I agree that from a pa
59 NASBWI : Honestly, having been on the 737-200, 300/400, and 700/800, it would seem as though either I've grown, or of all the Boeing jets, the seats on 737s (
60 Kappel : Indeed. I like the fact that the 737 windows are bigger than the a320's, but the a320 windows are at the right height. The windows on the 737 are too
61 Max999 : Does anyone know if the LED lights are fixed to the blue color? Or can they change colors to show sunrise, sunset, and nighttime?
62 Smi0006 : I cannot rave enough about the LED mood lighting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As someone who suffers from dry eyes while flying t
63 KochamLOT : good point. well, at least carry-on luggage is still free as of now. I also though the luggage charges were for weight concerns as well. less weight
64 Post contains links and images Debonair : Yeap, it l@@ks cool- but it isn't- and it is NOT working for a short-med. airliner. Believe me! More than 20yrs ago ( ) BAe tried this configuration
65 Ikramerica : Doesn't really matter. Still shows an attitude shared by some, not all, some FAs that pax are nuisances, not customers. Having had a call button igno
66 Post contains links DocLightning : http://www.ikea.com/au/en/catalog/products/10119409 That's the AUD$99 solution.
67 Viscount724 : Seat pitch on 707s operated by scheduled carriers was generally 34 inches in Y class, 2 or 3 inches more than the usual on most airlines today. Howev
68 Tdscanuck : There have been more than a few improvements in bins over the last 20 years...other than both having pivots, they're not really the same design at al
69 BrianDromey : I wondered that on an FR 738 a few weeks back, it did seem like the windows were very low. I wonder if, over the years seats have been mounted a litt
70 Smi0006 : Hahha I love this attitude some on here have, what and you love absolutely every aspect of your job and never make jokes about it? On my last flight
71 Phollingsworth : When I worked in maintenance we had no love for passengers. The self loading cargo requires coffee and lavs. Coffee and "lav juice" tends to get spil
72 Post contains links and images Beeweel15 : Besides the new Interior. I did read some where that there will be some performance improvements made to reduce fuel consumption. Will the 737 be gett
73 STT757 : Have we figured out yet whether there will be a conversion package for existing fleets, or will this be only for new deliveries?.. CO has 4 737-800s a
74 VirginFlyer : V/F
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