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Could A 737-200/727-200 Fly LAX-JFK Nonstop?  
User currently offlineB737-112 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 883 posts, RR: 7
Posted (13 years 3 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2437 times:

With no additional fuel tanks or passengers would a standard 737-200 or a 727-200 fly LAX to JFK nonstop?

Ryan

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User currently offlineKALB From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 573 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (13 years 3 months 6 days ago) and read 2381 times:

I don't believe so, under normal opertating procedures.

User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32578 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2358 times:

I doubt it. I do know, however, that Eastern once used 727-200s on MIA-LAX.


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User currently offlineBostonBeau From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2346 times:

Northeast Airlines also used B727s nonstop MIA-LAX. I believe they were 727-100s.

User currently offlineMorecy From United States of America, joined May 2000, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2329 times:

maybe if you replaced the passenger seats with fuel tanks...

User currently offlineDelta777-XXX From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1017 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2315 times:

The 727-200 can make it... but I don't know if it will have enough reserve fuel.

The 737-200 can make it without passengers and/or rough weather. Although, I don't believe it would make it with a full load of passengers. I also seriously doubt it would have enough reserve fuel, even if it was empty.

The distance between JFK and LAX is 2475 miles. (note: not nautical miles)


User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8892 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2297 times:

The range for a 737-200Adv is 1820 miles, but this is a full load (119 pax), cargo, baggage, etc.

Jeff
Source: Delta Air Lines


User currently offlineWoodsboy From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 1029 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2295 times:

The 727-100 could make it, it has a max payload range of 2700 nm. The -200 has a max payload range of 2140nm.

I know that Reeve Aleutian Airways flew their 727-100s from Alaska to Japan with only one fuel stop en route. Often they flew from Anchorage to Fairbanks, then Fairbanks to Cold Bay and Cold Bay to Yhuzino Sakalinsk on Sakalin Island as well as on to Japanese destinations on oil company charters. Fairbanks, despite being north of Anchorage is closer than Anchorage on the great circle route between Europe and Asia.

Anyway, it looks like a 727-100 could do the trip as well as West Coast to Honolulu with a few hundred miles to spare.


User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 8, posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2273 times:

I would think that they could just make it with a minimal cargo, but as stated above, there would be little or no reserves left. I would also like to add that if it could be done, it would almost certainly be eastbound only.
With the prevailing headwinds westbound, there is no way it could be done.


User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3252 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2241 times:

Back in December of 1999, America West retired its lone 737-100 (N708AW) and three 737-200s (N141AW, N145AW and N147AW). They had their decals stripped and were then flown nonstop from Phoenix to Opa Locka, Florida (near Miami) to be broken up.


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User currently offlineFlyer62 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2232 times:

yes,a B-737-200 and the 727 can fly lax-mia

User currently offlineB737-112 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 883 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2205 times:

Thanks for all the input, I really appreciate it!

Jmc1975, that 737-100 you mentioned is where my username came from, I flew N708AW (LAX-PHX-LAX) in 1999 shortly before its retirement.

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29786 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2194 times:

The Reeve flights usually where routed ANC-CDB-Vladi and then on the way back they usually could make it nonstop without the CDB fuel stop due to the prevailing winds.

I can't recall any flights that routed from FAI when I worked there. They often did summer Charter flights for Princess Tours to FAI but I don't recall any Russia flights routing through FAI.

This is all Circa 1997 info from when I worked at CDB.



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User currently offlineMiller22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 2183 times:

727-200's can be outfit with auxillary fuel tanks in addition to the three main tanks, which would give it enough fuel to make it JFK - LAX, although reserves would be slim. Also, those state-of-the art 727's would have to use the Jet Routes instead of GPS direct which would add precious miles to it.
Final Answer: the -200 could make it, but would be weight restricted.


User currently offlineBigmikenice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (13 years 3 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 2159 times:

Miller22-
Are you saying that flying High-Altitude Airways composed of ground-based VORs is MORE efficient than GPS direct? No way! The whole point of GPS D> is just that...direct. Input your waypoints, couple the A/P and you fly a great circle route to your destination. That would require the least amount of distance. Not flying a straight line for 75 miles, then turning right 10* for another 100, and then turn left 18* and so on and so forth.

Bottom line, i guess they could both do it, but it would HAVE to be one of those great circle routes and you can guarantee they would be pretty much outta breath by the time they landed.


User currently offlineATA L1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 1378 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (13 years 3 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2140 times:

They could make it on a ferry flight with minimal cargo and no pax. West bound would be tough for 737-200 and the 727-200 with a head wind especially for the 737-200!


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User currently offlineWhisperliner From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (13 years 3 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2133 times:

if the largest size 737 is about the same size as a 757...what is the biggest diffence between them? they look similar, both having the same fuselage with and twin engines. is it the range or power that is different? if they were similar, couldn't airlines uses the largest 737 (would that be the -800 series?) for 757 routes like LAX-JFK?

User currently offlineCO Cargo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (13 years 3 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2114 times:

MGM Grand ran scheduled 727-100 service between JFK and LAX in the 80's. Payload was kept to a minimum with a miniscule seating capacity and some of the highest domestic fares ever offered.

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User currently offlineB737-112 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 883 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (13 years 3 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2110 times:

CO Cargo, the MGM 721 had aux tanks.

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