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767-300ER Winglets...Who And How Many?  
User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3437 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 11004 times:

Came across this photo of an OS 763ER with winglets and had a few questions that I wasn't having much luck getting info on from a google search (perhaps I'm just utterly incompetent)...

Who has ordered (and for how many aircraft) blended winglets for the 767-300ER?
AA
DL
OS
?

Who has received and installed winglets on the 767-300ER and how many are complete?
AA
DL
OS
?

Many thanks
AA1818


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User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10992 times:



Quoting AA1818 (Thread starter):
Who has ordered (and for how many aircraft) blended winglets for the 767-300ER?
AA
DL
OS

OS has ordered for all of its 767 winglets.

Quoting AA1818 (Thread starter):
Who has received and installed winglets on the 767-300ER and how many are complete?
AA
DL
OS

OS has two already fitted.

Don´t know about AA and DL.  Smile


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25871 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10937 times:

767-300ER winglet customers include:

AA, DL, HA, OS, NH, LA, NZ, and a few others I've forgotten.


User currently offlineMyt321 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10784 times:

Add BY , read they've signed up somewhere.


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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3437 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10754 times:

Many thanks for the responses guys! Much appreciated.

AA1818



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User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3216 posts, RR: 13
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10754 times:



Quoting AA1818 (Thread starter):
Who has ordered (and for how many aircraft) blended winglets for the 767-300ER?
AA

AA has ordered blended winglets for all 58x of their 767-300ER's.


User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3437 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10685 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 5):
AA has ordered blended winglets for all 58x of their 767-300ER's.

How many have been completed and when is the expected completion? (Sorry for all the questions!)

AA1818



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User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days ago) and read 10623 times:

What is the actual effect on fuel burn and range of adding these? I'm assuming that it's at least somewhat significant if the airlines are paying the capital cost of upgrading, that the savings over the lifespan of the aircraft will outweigh this up front expense. But, does anyone have any hard figures for, say, how many extra nm range they add, or how much less fuel burn per hour the winglets result in?

User currently offlinePhollingsworth From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 825 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days ago) and read 10605 times:



Quoting Cba (Reply 7):
What is the actual effect on fuel burn and range of adding these? I'm assuming that it's at least somewhat significant if the airlines are paying the capital cost of upgrading, that the savings over the lifespan of the aircraft will outweigh this up front expense. But, does anyone have any hard figures for, say, how many extra nm range they add, or how much less fuel burn per hour the winglets result in?

Someone else will post numbers with more authority than I would. However, I have had discussions with some folks from airline(s) that are adding the winglets. An interesting thing that all of them have mentioned is that the expected recovery period is quite short, in some cases less than 12 months.


User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3437 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days ago) and read 10605 times:



Quoting Cba (Reply 7):
What is the actual effect on fuel burn and range of adding these? I'm assuming that it's at least somewhat significant if the airlines are paying the capital cost of upgrading, that the savings over the lifespan of the aircraft will outweigh this up front expense. But, does anyone have any hard figures for, say, how many extra nm range they add, or how much less fuel burn per hour the winglets result in?

This should have the info you need!

http://www.aviationpartnersboeing.com/products/767-300ER.html

AA1818



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User currently offlineMd11sdf From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10459 times:

Not to "hijack" the thread, but my gosh, wouldn't the MD-11 look absolutely INCREDIBLE if the original stiff looking winglets were replaced with these taller 767 style blended ones...?
I have to assume that the new AP winglets would give even better drag reduction and fuel savings. Increased range is always a good thing also!

I live in Louisville Kentucky (KSDF) which is home to the United Parcel Service "WORLDPORT". I would be very surprised if the next batch of 767-300F's to be delivered from Boeing were NOT equiped with the winglets. However, as much as I like the looks of them, I can't see UPS retrofitting the 757's. They simply wouldn't spend the money.

I have not seen anything "official", but I am sure UPS is delaying the new 767's until the global economy gets back to normal. This whole economic situation is a real drag...

It occurs to me that there is one widebody that would benefit on a massive scale from the AP blended installation, it is the A300-600F. FedEx and UPS both have large fleets of these aircraft, which will remain in service for a long time. If incorporating a small extention to the outer wings, They could possibly reduce wing loading and lower the "deck-angle" on final approach. Of course, an added benefit would be making the A300 look even better!

Just a thought... Terry



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User currently offlineKL911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5263 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 10402 times:

Besides OS, which European airline is still flying the 767?

User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10388 times:

I believe the 4th one is in the shop for DL. So 3 in service. Planned is a total of 30.

User currently offlineMercure1 From French Polynesia, joined Jul 2008, 1684 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10372 times:



Quoting Cba (Reply 7):
What is the actual effect on fuel burn and range of adding these

On a typical flight from NY to LON, about 500 usg saved (on a 6.5hr flt). Which is around $1000 usd @ $2/gallon.

on a yearly basis, assuming 1100 flts/yr, that is a savings of around $1.1m/yr.


User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5155 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 10264 times:

A recent posting on the N.Z. thread by a NZ insider stated that the NZ aircraft are to get theirs installed by HAECO in HKG starting in June, I believe it was.

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10225 times:



Quoting AA1818 (Reply 9):
This should have the info you need!

Thanks. Lots of info, but not all the info.

Takeoff Performance: "Information Coming Soon"
Installation Downtime: "Information Coming Soon"

 Smile



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25871 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10184 times:



Quoting KL911 (Reply 11):
Besides OS, which European airline is still flying the 767?

Based on Airfleets.net data, from largest to smallest opeators (all 763ER except as noted):

British Airways - 21
Thomsonfly - 13
Aeroflot - 11
Transaero - 10 (8 763ER, 2 762ER)
Condor - 9
Alitalia - 6
Martinair - 6
LOT - 4
Aerosvit - 3
Thomas Cook - 2
TUIfly Nordic - 1

Probably missed a few.


User currently offlineBoeing767mech From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1030 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10173 times:



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 5):
AA has ordered blended winglets for all 58x of their 767-300ER's.



Quoting AA1818 (Reply 6):
How many have been completed and when is the expected completion? (Sorry for all the questions!)

AA1818

N389AA done and flying, One in work now. Since we do our own work and don't farm it out, they are getting done during heavy check or mod work.

David



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User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 5155 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 10144 times:

ADD....
NZ 5
QF 24


User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2270 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 9604 times:
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NZ have 5 767-300ER's. All will be fitted between June and November by HAECO in HKG during scheduled maintenance.

NZ1


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7088 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 9124 times:



Quoting AA1818 (Thread starter):
Who has ordered (and for how many aircraft) blended winglets for the 767-300ER?
AA
DL
OS
?

Condor has ordered winglets for their 767s as well.



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User currently offlineParapente From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1648 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 9103 times:

I don't know whether anyone working at Heathrow can confirm the following.

An air traffic controller told me that the qadvent of wingletted 767's had caused a real problem.

The call signs of the wingletted 767's are not differentiated from "normal" 767's. BUT the wingletted ones due to their greater wingspan now have to use the taxiways of 777's Sonce they don't know what type 0f 767 it is they have to treat them all as if they have winglets. This has put huge pressure on certain taxiways.

What truth is there in this and BTW if a wingletted 767 has to be treated as a 777 would that not hugely put up its landing and take off charges thus negating the money saved in fuel?


User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1928 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8536 times:
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Quoting Pilotboi (Reply 12):
I believe the 4th one is in the shop for DL. So 3 in service. Planned is a total of 30.

I know of 1610 and 192 which is the 3rd and 4th....they are sneaking up on us



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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2972 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7503 times:

Looking at the numbers it really seems that winglets are recession proof  Smile


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User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7407 times:



Quoting Mercure1 (Reply 13):
On a typical flight from NY to LON, about 500 usg saved (on a 6.5hr flt). Which is around $1000 usd @ $2/gallon.

on a yearly basis, assuming 1100 flts/yr, that is a savings of around $1.1m/yr.

Thanks for the info!

Quoting Parapente (Reply 21):
The call signs of the wingletted 767's are not differentiated from "normal" 767's. BUT the wingletted ones due to their greater wingspan now have to use the taxiways of 777's Sonce they don't know what type 0f 767 it is they have to treat them all as if they have winglets. This has put huge pressure on certain taxiways.

What truth is there in this and BTW if a wingletted 767 has to be treated as a 777 would that not hugely put up its landing and take off charges thus negating the money saved in fuel?

IIRC landing and takeoff charges are by weight and not aircraft type. Also, this issue could be fixed simply by giving the wingletted 767s a new call sign... 76W anybody?


25 KochamLOT : can anyone take some pictures of the winglet from inside the cabin in flight? I cant wait to see how these things look from inside the cabin.
26 Ikramerica : My guess, and this is only a guess here, but my guess is that it will look a lot like the 757 pictures taken from inside the cabin, just a little bit
27 YULWinterSkies : By the amount of fuel that is going to be saved, there is indeed enough to feed the recession!!!
28 Pohakuloa : Hawaiian - 8 initially IIRC.
29 Honza : QS/TVS - Travel Service
30 Hamlet69 : OK, I believe many on here have gotten the questions confused. One question was who is getting 767 winglets, and how many? Another question is, who in
31 Smi0006 : I think the list originally posted was just showing a list of 767 operators in Europe, I don't think that they and QF are receiving the winglets are
32 TN486 : Are you suggesting QF 763 are getting winglets? If so, do you have a source for this as I am not aware of any announcement by QF re winglets.
33 LY777 : Can these winglets also be installed on the 762s?
34 Phollingsworth : There should be no structural or mechanical reason they could not be installed on at least some 762ERs. The issue would be is there enough of a marke
35 SunriseValley : I have no idea; all I was doing was adding QF to the list of 763 operators. I did not understand the post as referring to European operators, exclusi
36 HAL : They might, but I do know they can't put the winglets on straight (non-ER) 767-300's because the wing center structure is different enough that it ca
37 Phollingsworth : The modifications for the -200 to -200ER are similar to those for the -300 to -300ER. It might be that the early -200ERs, before the -300ER came out,
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