Semsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 2 Posted (7 years 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 15659 times:
BMI which started flying to Tel Aviv twice daily neglected to include Israel on it's route maps in order not to offend some other countries it flys to. It seems that Israel is not included on it's inflight maps. Or that their aircraft have 2 different sets of maps which can be changed before departure; one that includes Israel and another one that does not. Anyway this is a Public Relations blunder.
Chootie From Germany, joined May 2007, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 15199 times:
Well, things like this can..... but should not happen. I think BD would do good to offer at least a couple of free miles/drinks coupons to those who feel offended. On the other hand, I know EK has given as a gift a world atlas, and the country of Israel was omitted by boundaries and cities. Go figure, the middle east is a Hot Spot and an airline that operates international routes should show it as it is...... all inclusive. BTW people flying BMI should understand that they are serving more than one region, thus welcome to the WORLD.
Bobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6908 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14467 times:
Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 6): So, what if they dont include Israel in their route map?
Not sure how to answer your question except to ask, what does the Emirates show on their maps for that particular spot, just an empty spot? Even at the height of WW2, the allies still showed Germany and Japan on the map and likewise.
Richierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4532 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 14354 times:
Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 9): Not sure how to answer your question except to ask, what does the Emirates show on their maps for that particular spot, just an empty spot? Even at the height of WW2, the allies still showed Germany and Japan on the map and likewise
I didn't realize airliners had map displays back in the 1940s...
Khobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 13824 times:
Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 9): Not sure how to answer your question except to ask, what does the Emirates show on their maps for that particular spot, just an empty spot? Even at the height of WW2, the allies still showed Germany and Japan on the map and likewise.
Palestine would be my guess.
Seems to me the simplest thing would be for the Israeli government to ask BMI if they recognize Israel and its right to exist. If yes, then put money where mouth is and show the country. If no then don't show the country, or show it as something else.
What's next? Two different maps for the Americas routes? One that shows the United States of America and one that shows The Colonies???
Shamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1679 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 13775 times:
On lots of maps not normally aviation ones, Ireland is sometimes shown to be part of the UK or sometimes not shown at all because of our size. We dont moan and give out about it and to be honest I dont think many other countries would either.
As this is an aviation forum I cant and wont dicuss my views about certain nationalities and their need to complain about any little thing, but this is just a silly thing hardly worth discussing. BMI should just fix the problem, no need for an apoligy it wasnt done on purpose and hadnt got malicous intent.
ELAL772 From Israel, joined Jun 2008, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13536 times:
Quoting Shamrock321 (Reply 23):
As this is an aviation forum I cant and wont dicuss my views about certain nationalities and their need to complain about any little thing,
Well seems as if you're doing it anyway. and your views about "certain nationalities" are very clear.
Is this whole thing such a big deal? No, though it's annoying that BMI wants to fly here, advertises in all the big newspapers, adds more flights, but in order to not piss off people flying on their different routes they don't put us on the map.
Flypig687 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13537 times:
It is interesting to note that BMI is afraid to anger their Muslim pax, but what about the Israeli pax, they don't care about angering them?
This is really disgraceful and very unprofessional on BMI's part. As far as comparing it to Emirates, or Qatar Airway, or other world class Mideast Airlines showing Israel that does not make sense. They are owned by the respective arab nations that don't believe Israel exists, if those governments choose to live in a no-Israel lala land than we can not expect the airlines to recognize it. But last time i checked England and the UK does recognize Israel, as should airlines flying under their flag.
BlueFlyer From Tuvalu, joined Jan 2006, 4912 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13716 times:
I find it rather interesting that this thread has turned from an airline omitting to display a country it flies to on its onboard maps to an issue over whether one ought to be allowed to complain that an airline has omitted to display a country it flies to on its onboard maps.
As far as I'm concerned personally, no one who knows me will say I am a fan of Israel (which doesn't mean I think the country should be pushed into the water either), but I can't help but think, that generally speaking, both membership in the UN and diplomatic ties with other nations have been the benchmarks for over 50 years in determining whether a plot of land should be recognized as an independent country, and it has generally worked well (Taiwan might be a notable exception). On both benchmarks, Israel qualifies as a country for over 50 years, so put it on the map! And if an airline doesn't think that a particular country should exist, then don't fly there, but of course money trumps logic and common sense every time.
When we unleash the dogs of war we must go where they take us
Bwaflyer From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 707 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13303 times:
It's a problem on a couple of the ex-bmed aircraft (bmed never operated to Israel) with the AVOD Thales IFE system. The rest of the fleet are not affected. A memo went out to the crew a few weeks ago asking us not to activate the maps on the specific aircraft when operating TLV. A software update apparently is on the way. The rest of the fleet using the older tape based loop IFE system shows Israel on the maps.
Directorguy From Egypt, joined Jul 2008, 1976 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13289 times:
Let's cut to the chase here. BMI doesn't want to offend a certain clientele, probably passengers travelling to Saudi Arabia, Beirut and Khartoum and others.
Basically, BMI should omit labelling Israel on flights bound for points in those countries. They should make the labelling ambiguos. Possibly a problem when the map zooms in as the flight begins its descent into ALP, DAM and BEY, but not too difficult.
Elsewhere, BMI should continue labelling Israel where applicable.
Shamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1679 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 12463 times:
Maybe bmi dont care about what the Israeli thinks and know as long as they continue to offer low fares then people will continue to fly with them? The fact is a mistake was made, they have fixed it, no one got hurt so whats all the fus about?