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User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Posted (5 years 3 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2860 times:

Hello to all,

I find out about two weeks ago that my hometown airport RDU, was getting $4.5 million federal stimulus grants for LED lighting for one of it's runways. The Federal Aviation Administration is handing out $1.1 billion in stimulus money for airport projects which means alot of airports are getting stimulus money, so let's find out which one's they are let us know about your hometown airport or any airport for that matter.

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/story/1478431.html

Have a good day,


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User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (5 years 3 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2840 times:

Democrat John Murtha is making sure the local dusty airstrip bearing his name is getting plenty of that aid money....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...9042902510.html?hpid=moreheadlines

Runway upgrades, radars that are not used, all for an airport with 6 daily subsidized IAD flights.

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24905 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (5 years 3 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2834 times:

LAX is estimating about $40-55mil primarily for a new taxiway.

Btw the money allotted nationally is significantly more then the $1.1bil. There are actually several different appropriations that can cover airport related projects. The FAA specific grants plus general transportation infrastructure grants which can to various degrees be applied to airport projects also.



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User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3011 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2786 times:

Haven't seen anything for GSP, although the considerably less-busy CAE reportedly got some $$.


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User currently offlineYflyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1003 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2728 times:

SMF is in the process of building a new terminal (which was planned well before the economic stimulus package). I am curious if they received any of the stimulus money to help fund the project.

User currently offlineEghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 2701 times:



Quoting Yflyer (Reply 4):
SMF is in the process of building a new terminal (which was planned well before the economic stimulus package). I am curious if they received any of the stimulus money to help fund the project.

I doubt they are receiving much if any money for the terminal from the FAA. Generally, FAA grants are for construction which enhance safety (lights, radars, ILS) or capacity (new runways, taxiways). Terminals are built with municipal bonds backed by lease agreements with the tenants.

If the FAA gave money for a new terminal which was used by only one or two airline (such as WN), it would be viewed as favoring one airline over another. Thus they only spend on runways, lights, etc which can be used by everybody.


User currently offlineN53614 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 245 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 3 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2669 times:

SJC is getting grants for a people-mover and solar panels for the new rental car garage, if I remember right.


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User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2660 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2641 times:

IIRC, ACY is building the new ARFF with stimulus money (so I've heard, but could be just rumour)


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User currently offlinePhollingsworth From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 825 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2540 times:



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 5):
I doubt they are receiving much if any money for the terminal from the FAA. Generally, FAA grants are for construction which enhance safety (lights, radars, ILS) or capacity (new runways, taxiways). Terminals are built with municipal bonds backed by lease agreements with the tenants.

The is strictly true for aviation trust fund expenditures. However, the stimulus package money is a different beast and is not as restricted. Also, there are different flavors of stimulus package money, depending on which agency and part of the agencies authorization they flow through. I think ATL asked for money to help with the construction of the the Jackson Terminal and Concourse F. One thing to be said, while this will benefit DL the most, F will be a Common Use facility, like E. Theoretically, this means that all airlines and user could benefit. The reason why ATL asked for the money, is that the municipal bond market rolled-over and died right about the time Atlanta was going to issue bonds for a large percentage of the financing. The same thing happened to the sewer system rebuild.


User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2464 times:



Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 1):
Runway upgrades, radars that are not used, all for an airport with 6 daily subsidized IAD flights.

Yea I know! he is the king of pork and earmarks...you would think another commuter airline would try and serve this airport especially if it is subsidized and there are guaranteed revenues.



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User currently offlineEghansen From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2332 times:



Quoting Phollingsworth (Reply 8):
The is strictly true for aviation trust fund expenditures. However, the stimulus package money is a different beast and is not as restricted.

You are undoubtedly right about the stimulus package. It does not seem to be very well-controlled. I expect in a year or two we will hear in the media about great amounts of money spent on silly things.


User currently offlineUncgso From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2298 times:

GSO is building a new airport fire station.

http://www.news-record.com/content/2...s_to_pay_for_fire_station_at_pti_0


User currently offlineThegreatRDU From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2310 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2256 times:



Quoting Uncgso (Reply 11):
GSO is building a new airport fire station.

That's a good cause just because of the FedEx expansion

For RDU this a chance to claim more money because to me, everything seems unorganized who knows maybe we could expand runway 14/32 i'm just sayin......  hyper 



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User currently offlinePhollingsworth From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 825 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2200 times:



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 10):
You are undoubtedly right about the stimulus package. It does not seem to be very well-controlled. I expect in a year or two we will hear in the media about great amounts of money spent on silly things.

Some portions of it are much better controlled than others. One of the things that I have heard is that many/all of the grants under the stimulus package have to be applied for through Grants.gov. I don't know if any of you have used it, but it can be a pain in the rear. Anyhow, there have been so many applications that it has basically brought grants.gov to its knees.


User currently offlineZippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 22 hours ago) and read 2134 times:

BWI Is slated to get some of this dough ray me. I sure as hell hope our aging Concourse D gets the lion's share. Where do we start?
  • Air Conditioning, The D-25 to D-29 area has and is air conditioned challenged. They say they are waiting for the part. And, I can see Russia from my house.
  • The glass doors to the jet ways from hell. We are always calling maintenance to fix or replace those dollar stoor door stoppers. And when it gets windy outside, its like those doors are posessed!
    The double glass doors may have been all the rage when Carter was President but....
  • PA sound system; a cut above taking two Styrofoam cups with a string in the middle.
  • Leaks like the leaking Lena.
  • Mice eradication please. You'd think the sequel to Ben and Willard is filming.





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    User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16829 posts, RR: 51
    Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 22 hours ago) and read 2125 times:



    Quoting Nkops (Reply 7):
    IIRC, ACY is building the new ARFF with stimulus money (so I've heard, but could be just rumour)

    ARFF means a new crash response/fire house then you are correct.



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    User currently offlineLawair From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 198 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 8 hours ago) and read 2054 times:



    Quoting Zippyjet (Reply 14):
    BWI Is slated to get some of this dough ray me. I sure as hell hope our aging Concourse D gets the lion's share. Where do we start?

    BWI is getting money, but I think all of it is going toward apron reconstruction/re-paving.  Sad
    You might have seen this (PDF): BWI_Airport_032609.pdf" target=_blank>http://www.mdot.state.md.us/Planning...nounces_15M_BWI_Airport_032609.pdf
    or
    http://grants.ost.dot.gov/public/ViewMessage.cfm?MsgID=df00yllyuc

    I think C/D terminal improvements are on the way...but looking at maybe 2011 for any construction start at this point. A D/E baggage system upgrade is currently underway though.


    User currently offlineZippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 13
    Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 7 hours ago) and read 2019 times:



    Quoting Lawair (Reply 16):
    BWI is getting money, but I think all of it is going toward apron reconstruction/re-paving.
    You might have seen this (PDF):

    There already has been apron reconstruction/improvements around our gates in D concourse.

    Quoting Lawair (Reply 16):
    I think C/D terminal improvements are on the way...but looking at maybe 2011 for any construction start at this point. A D/E baggage system upgrade is currently underway though.

    UA and our bag belts are a process in the making. UA baggage belt 13 has reopened along with their new and improved baggage services office. Our work is around midpoint. FL bag belt 14 and our offices are supposed to open by the end of the year but, we all know that with our great state of Md, this could mean end of 2010! It takes seven meetings to get one thing completed. C concourse is part of the original "Friendship Airport" which opened in 1950. However, I feel it looks and feels better than our Concourse D. C has working air conditioning and has more character. A lot of those awful double glass doors have been scrapped. On our concourse, they are always pulling up and replacing carpet. I guess its due to the excessive wear plus all the water leaks from defective air conditioning. And our extended family of rodents appreciate new carpet. Sometimes I feel the state throws money away bandaging the issues on our pier. Personally, Concourse D should have a date with the wrecking ball and rebuilt from ground up. Its a tail of two airports when comparing Concourse A B to our D. C concourse and International E fall in the middle. Concourse D opened when Reagan became President. The age of sterile airport design built on the cheap.


    a view of the nicer part of D concourse note the pretty carpet that seems to be pulled up constantly due to leaky drop ceilings



    And here we have Concourse A/B. Wider, brighter, newer and the A/C actually works!


    Ignore the WN podiums and decorations. Check out those tinted floor to ceiling windows with panoramic wide views of the ramp and airline action! Concourse A is a spotters dream. Ultra modern, convenient with all the bells and whistles of 21st. Century airport design but, the big windows and inviting atmosphere hark back to the days when a family outing was a Sunday afternoon at the airport watching the planes take off and land. One can hope that when and if D gets the much needed redo, there will be podiums with our big A and panoramic views of our birds.


    hallway behind our ticket counter and leads to Pier D security; sometimes this is where passengers line up.

    looks like part of D concourse, look at those ceiling panels


    chow time and aviation a great combination! This is one of the multiple food outlets in Concourse A. Turn around and you see the panoramic vistas of the planes, and ramp!


    another shot of a gate in futuristic Concourse A.



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    User currently offlineLawair From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 198 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 2 hours ago) and read 1968 times:

    heh good to see BWI again. how I miss thee.

    The money coming in is only 15 million so perhaps it's just covering some leftover unfunded expenses from that apron reconstruction project that is already underway.

    I agree with your D Pier wrecking ball sentiment, especially to the old US Airways Express part. All the main terminal improvements I've been reading about have been pushed back and are only in the Design/Evaluation stage at MDOT. It's terribly frustrating, and I'm sure especially more so for FL than it is for me just watching on the sidelines. (I haven't really had to use D for several years now.) I remember sitting at a meeting back almost a decade ago to discuss, among other things, where the Super Shuttle station was going to be relocated to during construction. It seemed to require more time than necessary, although my memory may be fuzzy.

    I haven't seen more federal stimulus money going to the terminal improvements yet. I suppose every little bit helps, but when states themselves are short on money I doubt $15 million in stimulus is going to move a huge terminal project forward...let alone (sigh) a people-mover system from the terminal to the BWI rail station.


    User currently offlineZippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 13
    Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1929 times:



    Quoting Lawair (Reply 18):
    I agree with your D Pier wrecking ball sentiment, especially to the old US Airways Express part.

    Even the Maytag Repairman would feel lonely down there and would probably suffer heat exhaustion. I'm a proud crew member of FL for Seven years and I feel our space is a cut above a slum. Extreme Home Makeover Airport Edition where are you? And we are the second busiest carrier at BWI! There have been three gubernatorial administrations since I've been with FL and D still should be put out of its misery with the wrecking ball!



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    User currently offlineRampguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1919 times:

    I think 4 Indiana airports are to recieve some stimulus money. Mt Comfort, Muncie, Gary and Terre Haute.

    User currently offlineCospn From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1609 posts, RR: 0
    Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 1909 times:

    Indianapolis Executive Airport in Zionsville will get 4.5 Million for a new runway,

    I'm all about airports but using "stimulus" money for Private Jets in Indianapolis, when GYY can really use it !?!? they have a train crossing the runway!!!

    Mt Comfort geting 2 Million IND new firetrucks 1.3M

    Wouldn't be better to build the light rail from IND to downtown for the normal people ??

    or send it up on the north side for the Jetset so they dont have to be bothered to use IND ??

    at Indy Exec your "covered" your limo and plane park under a roof so you dont get wet,
    the only Indoor parking in the State, at IND you park outside  Sad

    www.indyexecairport.com


    User currently offlineRampguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
    Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 1887 times:



    Quoting Cospn (Reply 21):
    Indianapolis Executive Airport in Zionsville will get 4.5 Million for a new runway,

    I'm all about airports but using "stimulus" money for Private Jets in Indianapolis, when GYY can really use it !?!? they have a train crossing the runway!!!

    Mt Comfort geting 2 Million IND new firetrucks 1.3M

    Wouldn't be better to build the light rail from IND to downtown for the normal people ??

    or send it up on the north side for the Jetset so they dont have to be bothered to use IND ??

    at Indy Exec your "covered" your limo and plane park under a roof so you dont get wet,
    the only Indoor parking in the State, at IND you park outside

    As far as Mt Comfort is concerned, I think it is a good idea to expand. This is the location of the Indianapolis Air Show every year. I think it would be great if the runway was extended so companies like FedEx or UPS could bring in one of their widebody a/c to put on display for the visitors.

    Hendricks County/Gordan Graham airport in Danville has announced expanding in the next few years so they can accomodate private jets. However, I don't believe that will be stimulus money used.


    User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3811 posts, RR: 34
    Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 1858 times:

    Well, it's not my home airport, but DFW is receiving stimulus money that will pay for the second phase of a project to rehabilitate runway 13L / 31R. In all, DFW will receive $8.8 million in stimulus funds distributed by the FAA

    DFW Airport awarded more stimulus funding

    LoneStarMike


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