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Australian Aviation Thread 27  
User currently offlineAllrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2779 posts, RR: 5
Posted (7 years 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 24967 times:

Get your thermal imagers out because it's time to begin boarding the next flight of the Australian Aviation Thread. While our friends across the Tasman live in fear of Swine flu mutating into sheep flu, we will just stay alert, but not alarmed.

In Thread 26 we discussed:

* The location of Jetstar's hub for European flights
* Tiger beginning MEL-SYD flights
* SAA, Austral and Virgin Blue sign interlining agreement
* The Emirates A346 tailstrike in MEL
* V Australia operations
* Airports delaying works
* Could a Garuda 737 serve BNE from DPS?
* Discussion over potential for Jetstar 747's or A380's
* Jetstar interlining
* VA deals to the travel industry
* Impact on Qantas of DL flying to Australia
* Brindabella TMW-BNE
* A JQ lounge for OOL
* Strategic Airlines leases A320, A332

They say pigs can't fly, but the swine flu...  duck 

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User currently offlineAllrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2779 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 24963 times:

JETSTAR hopes to gain $20 million a year in synergies as it aggressively grows Singapore as a strategic hub and merges Jetstar Asia's operations with its own.
Jetstar moves to bolster Singapore hub

From the article:

* There was a "misalignment of interests" with Temasek, whose objective as a financial investor had always been about an exit strategy.
* Singapore to bridge the Australian Jetstar operations with Jetstar Pacific.
* Interlining agreement with Qantas to open up European and Asian feeds
* NZ domestic operations start on June 10 for JQ

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User currently offlineYVR1968 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 24847 times:

Quoting Allrite (Thread starter):
* The Emirates A346 tailstrike in MEL

It was an A345.

Quoting Allrite (Thread starter):
The location of Jetstar's hub for European flights

Looks like it will be SIN per your post above. Not too surprised about that with the already large Jetstar presence at Changi.

User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4652 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 24795 times:

On the subject of flights between NAN and OOL, a few comments were made about GOld Coast being a holiday/inbound destination. While to an extent that is true, it is is not the full picture, and is somewhat of a simplification.

According to the Australian Bureau of Statistics, the Gold Coast Statistical area had an estimated resident population of 535,528 at 30 June 2007, which from 2002 to 2007 was growing 3.5% per annum. To this could be added the Richmond/Tweed Area, with 232,948 and 1.2%, although I should stress some of this area is somewhat distant from OOL (although OOL would still be the nearest international airport). By comparison, the same figures for Brisbane Statistical area are 1,857,596 and 2.2%. So no, the Gold Coast isn't as big, but it is growing more rapidly.

The bigger issue is the location of the airport. OOL is more or less at the southern extremity of the Gold Coast. For a significant portion of the Gold Coast, OOL is not significantly closer. In fact, I'd say for anything north of Labrador, Brisbane is very competitive with OOL (for arguments sake, from where I am as I type this message, I can say it is about 45 minutes to OOL using the Pacific Motorway, or a little under an hour to BNE using the Gateway Motorway). This factor is always going to make OOL a difficult prospect for outbound traffic IMHO.


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User currently offlineQF744FAN From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 24626 times:

Quoting Allrite (Thread starter):
While our friends across the Tasman live in fear of Swine flu mutating into sheep flu

All while oz/nz flights are about to become fully domestic in procedure.... interesting comment and timing

User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1859 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 24572 times:

Quoting VirginFlyer (Reply 3):

On one hand you do have a point, but OOL is a much smaller airport and I know many people who will fly from OOL just so they dont have to go through Brisbane Airport, on the other, I think OOL is well placed as if it were any further north it would be too close to Brisbane and the benefit of being close to Tweed adds a far amount of passengers

User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6716 posts, RR: 34
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 24502 times:

Hi guys,

I'm heading to Sydney (again) in late November and this time I'm planning to take a few joy flights around with the major airlines - QF, JQ, DJ, TT. I also wish to try out specific planes. Now assuming the timetable stays the same from around now till then:

Are all SYD-CBR flights on DJ operated with the E-Jets? Do they have a particular series of flight numbers which one could use to differentiate between a 737 flight and an E-jet flight?

Where does JQ's A321 fly?

Where does QF's 717 fly?

Perth maybe a little far away so I might end up going to OOL and taking an A332 from there to Sydney - QF doesn't use the A332s for any other domestic routes than PER runs, right? Too bad they dropped those 744 flights between SYD, MEL and BNE a while back..

With all of these in mind, which way should this be executed? I had in mind doing something like SYD-CBR-MEL-ADL-OOL-SYD but I might alter the route to try and get on other planes.

Thanks in advance!


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User currently offlineSkyhigh From Australia, joined Nov 2005, 236 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 24461 times:

With all of the media frenzy over swine flu I was wondering what, if any, effect it is having on flights to the U.S.
It doesn't help when Queenslanders are being told to stockpile food! Surely comments like that aren't going to help V Australia's new flights from Brisbane.

User currently offlineAussie_ From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1767 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 24426 times:

SYD-CBR by DJ is exclusively E170. The only time that changes is when there is a last min aircraft substitution. If you want other E-jet routes, CBR-BNE and CBR-ADL are exclusively E190s and CBR-HBA and CBR-TSV also exclusively E170s.

There is no way of knowing by flight number of the aircraft type - in fact some routes have different Ejets or 737s on the same flight depending on what day/date.

Jetstar A321s operate exclusively from MEL at this stage to CNS and OOL, though more are due to be delivered soon - I believe these might be for international ops??

QF 717s are mainly operating in WA and NT across to North Queensland - often expensive routes with no LCC competition!

A332s do operate on some MEL-SYD flights I think too.

As for a routing, you could do SYD-CBR-MEL on DJ E170/E190 (I can tell you which CBR-MEL flights are scheduled as E190s because that route gets all Virgin a/c types), then MEL-OOL on JQ A321 followed by OOL-SYD on JQ A332. Maybe then a SYD-MEL on QF A332 as well if you can find one. For a 717, though, you'll need to go further afield. Maybe a cheap Tiger A320 sector MEL-ASP and then a 717 from Alice to Ayers Rock or Darwin?

User currently offlineQF744FAN From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 24390 times:

Quoting Aussie_ (Reply 8):
QF 717s are mainly operating in WA and NT across to North Queensland - often expensive routes with no LCC competition!

There is marginal competition. Skywest operate F100s on similar routes to QFs 717s, with F50s on the shorter sectors, in WA at least.

Quoting Aussie_ (Reply 8):
If you want other E-jet routes, CBR-BNE and CBR-ADL are exclusively E190s and CBR-HBA and CBR-TSV also exclusively E170s.

DJ base a couple of 190's in Perth and fly them over east and back, so one of those flights from Melbourne to Perth could also then allow for a 717 trip.

User currently offlineBjwonline From UK - England, joined Mar 2007, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 24340 times:

I would suggest to start in SYD-OOL on JQ A332, down to MEL on JQ A321, then back up to SYD via CBR on DJ E-jets. As already mentioned, unless you are able to go as far at the NT or WA then the QF 717's are out of question I'm afraid.

User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6716 posts, RR: 34
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 24316 times:

Quoting Aussie_ (Reply 8):

Quoting QF744FAN (Reply 9):

Quoting Bjwonline (Reply 10):

Thanks for the info! I've got a little while to sort myself out and I'll also be looking for some cheaper fares.. Unfortunately I probably won't have enough money to get myself over to WA/NT and try the 717 but I'd be satisfied getting the A330 on a domestic flight and also an E-jet of some description. Canberra's certainly the place for E-Jets! I'll probably want to go on both the E170 and E190 come to think of it because SYD-CBR won't be a very long flight.

MEL-PER in an E190?! I'd be much more suited to taking the A330!

Quoting Aussie_ (Reply 8):
There is no way of knowing by flight number of the aircraft type - in fact some routes have different Ejets or 737s on the same flight depending on what day/date.

That's a shame. Different story for NZ - it's super easy right now to depict which plane operates which flights.

Thanks again. If there's anymore advice someone could give me, feel free to speak out!


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User currently offlineDocpepz From Singapore, joined May 2001, 1971 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 24316 times:

Regarding Jetstar Asia's new 51% "Singaporean" partner, it seems like that "partner" is more a Qantas proxy than anything else. That "partner" runs a travel business in SIN of which Qantas owns a minority share of (I think 30%).

Of course I'm sure the Singaporean authorities are aware of this, and probably think it is in Singapore's national interests to have QF having a large hub in SIN and so won't pursue this further. But what's there to stop other countries from not recognising Jetstar Asia as a Singapore carrier?

Also with the new Singapore-UK open skies agreement, Singaporean carriers can fly as often as they wish to and beyond the UK. This means Jetstar Asia can launch double daily flights to Stansted, Gatwick, Manchester etc and there will be nothing to stop them from doing so.

Jetstar Asia will also be able to launch fifth freedom flights from the UK to the US under a Singapore AOC.

Singapore also has full open skies with all EU countries except France and Germany.
It is only a matter of time before Singapore and the EU have full open skies. This means that QF canenjoy these extremely liberal ASAs that Singapore has, through Jetstar Asia.

While Jetstar Asia may be technically 51% Singaporean "owned", there's nothing to stop QF from structuring a nice deal where Jetstar Asia pays an enormous franchise fee to QF, as a way for QF to fully equity account for Jetstar Asia's profits.

I can't think of any country that would be so generous to a foreign airline, allowing them to milk the very liberal ASAs that their home carrier (effectively SIA) has fought for, for the past two decades.

User currently offlineDJ748 From Australia, joined Jul 2006, 355 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 24286 times:

Quoting Bjwonline (Reply 10):
As already mentioned, unless you are able to go as far at the NT or WA then the QF 717's are out of question I'm afraid.

Don't forget they fly them on the CNS-DRW and CNS-GOV-DRW routes. DJ has atleast 1 E-Jet flight from BNE-CNS each day, which I noticed when looking at their schedules during the week, so it coud work out to be an interesting trip, like say for example: DRW-GOV-CNS on QF on a 717, CNS-BNE on an E-Jet on DJ, then on the train direct from BNE airport to the Gold Coast, with Robina Station at the end of the line being the best option for a bus to the airport at OOL. From there, JQ would fly their A321 to MEL. DRW has a few options - 763's by QF from BNE, JQ A320 from BNE SYD and MEL, DJ 73H from BNE, MEL and PER. You could even get a 717 from the red centre like ASP or AYQ if you want to venture there to get say a Q400 too. ROK sees Q400's from QF, and DJ fairly much exclusively operates their E-Jets there (daily E170 from TSV, and almost every flight from BNE is the E190, and their schedules show a daily E170 direct to SYD).

Hope this helps.

User currently offlineAirbusA322 From Australia, joined Apr 2009, 286 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 24186 times:

Just leave a little bit of a gap between the A321 flight and the previous/next flight. Reason being they consistently keep going tech, and I doubt JQ will let VWY/VWZ go International for you to get a newbie..I tried doing MEL-OOL-SYD-OOL-MEL 2 months ago, nothing but a disaster due to OOL weather, and a A321 going tech. It was longer than a 24hr trip thanks to VWY going bang. Not saying avoid them, but mabye keep a gap there...You might even see a A321 on other domestic routes by November, who knows!

Can someone advise me if the E190 does the 5pm Monday CBR-MEL?

and are JQ not celebrating their 5th Birthday this year, usually starts on the 30th April (it has for the past 4 years..)

User currently offlineVhqpa From Australia, joined Jul 2005, 1607 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 24168 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 11):

The cheapest possible way to get a 717 would be to take DJ (ex BNE/MEL) or JQ (ex BNE/SYD/MEL/ADL) to DRW which can be done for about A$170-A$210 then you can get a QF DRW-BNE fare for about A$280 which includes a 717 sector between DRW-CNS with a stop in GOV on certain flights although you must be quick beacuse the lower fare classes on the DRW-CNS sector generally book out quite a few months in advance.


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User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 1035 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 24164 times:

Quoting Docpepz (Reply 12):
I can't think of any country that would be so generous to a foreign airline, allowing them to milk the very liberal ASAs that their home carrier (effectively SIA) has fought for, for the past two decades.

Do you feel this gives SIA a blue chip bargaining tool for AUS/USA rights?

remember the t shirt "I own an airline"on the front - "qantas" on the back
User currently offlineAllrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2779 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 24073 times:

Quoting Docpepz (Reply 12):
While Jetstar Asia may be technically 51% Singaporean "owned", there's nothing to stop QF from structuring a nice deal where Jetstar Asia pays an enormous franchise fee to QF, as a way for QF to fully equity account for Jetstar Asia's profits.

My question would be, is there anything to stop SIA doing the same thing here? Singapore has huge investments in Australia, so I'm sure a nice proxy company could be found if they wanted to setup a new airline (or restructure an existing one  Wink ).

If SIA's issue is that they don't want to dilute their image by having a "subsidiary" airline running SYD-LAX (for instance), well, that's their problem.

Anyway, I suspect that any "franchise fee" paid back to Qantas would be smaller than the economic benefit to Singapore. The way I was reading the article is that QF/JQ were planning to move more passengers through, and engineering and other operations to Singapore from Australia rather than the other way around.

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User currently offlineAllrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2779 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 24069 times:

An aviation hangar marking the birthplace of Qantas in outback Queensland has been heritage listed, joining the ranks of Uluru and the Sydney Opera House.

ABC Online

I love the way that they refer to it as a "shed".

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User currently offlineJQFlightie From Australia, joined Mar 2009, 1124 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 24066 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 6):
Where does JQ's A321 fly?

Where does QF's 717 fly?

JQ 321 flies MEL - OOL/TSV/CNS

QF's 717's you could take one CNS - DRW

so you could fly SYD - OOL (JQ - A332) OOL - MEL ( JQ A320) MEL - TSV (JQ A321) TSV - CNS (DJ E170) CNS - DRW ( QF B717) DRW - PER ( Skywest F100) PER - SYD (QF A333)

User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 6285 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 23972 times:

Quoting Docpepz (Reply 12):
I can't think of any country that would be so generous to a foreign airline, allowing them to milk the very liberal ASAs that their home carrier (effectively SIA) has fought for, for the past two decades.

Yeah, I can. Australia! It actually lets a 100% foreign owned airline operated unrestricted DOMESTIC services, even though the country it comes from doesn't have domestic services to reciprocate on!

As far as the international services go, it does EXACTLY the same as the foreign country we are talking about as far ownerships goes and foreign airlines.

The only thing SIN (lets be honest) doesn't have is 7th freedom (which would be needed for SYD-LAX) because SIN has nothing left to offer. Enough said!


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User currently offlineAlangirvan From New Zealand, joined Nov 2000, 2106 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 23941 times:

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 20):
Yeah, I can. Australia! It actually lets a 100% foreign owned airline operated unrestricted DOMESTIC services, even

Australia has long allowed foreign airlines to fly domestic services. Virgin Blue, when it started. Tiger. And even Ansett became half American when Rupert Murdoch changed his citizenship. To the extent that when Ansett did want to start the international services in 1994 they had to start Ansett International, where I think a majority of the shares were held by AMP. So, it was Ansett International that had the right to fly overseas, rather than Ansett.

Tiger could do this - whether this is a good time to be seeking Australian funds is a commercial decision. They could structure the company so that it is 51% held by Australian investors. This is not an automatic guarantee of success, because you can have boardroom disagreements. For Tiger, Tony Davis has said it will not be going long haul during his watch. They might do some flights over to NZ (where the NZ government allows VH planes to fly domestic services). Singapore Airlines could also start an American company with 51% American ownership. They would run into the same problems as Virgin America, having to continually prove that they are not being controlled by foreign interests. I am not sure that any airline would want to be in minority ownership of its brand name in another country. If the airline takes a long time to give the local investors a return on their money, that will always cause tensions.

User currently offlineQF744ER From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 370 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 23879 times:

Does anyone know what is happening with ex VB B737-700 VH-VBT which is currently parked at MEL painted all white?

User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5618 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 23876 times:

Quoting QF744ER (Reply 22):
Does anyone know what is happening with ex VB B737-700 VH-VBT which is currently parked at MEL painted all white?

It's being returned to the lessor (from a post in the last aus av thread)

User currently offlineBen175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 820 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 23508 times:

A Garuda plane was raided by immigration staff at PER last night after somebody reported having flu symptoms onboard the aircraft which started a Swine Influenza scare. All passengers remained on the aircraft for over an hour after the Boeing 737 reached the gate and were then questioned about their health.

25 Jbernie : Not a big deal... Boeing lovingly refers to its beginnings in the Red Barn. Though you think they could have at least provided, at a minimum, a file
26 Post contains links and images Allrite : And is there a more sacred place than a bloke's shed? (wish I had one) From: http://www.environment.gov.au/heritage/places/national/qantas-hangar/ind
27 Jbernie : Much appreciated Allrite, though it has more of a resemblence of a hanger than a shed to me... I was imaging something a bit more modest and all.
28 Post contains links ANstar : The FEB International PAX figures are out http://www.bitre.gov.au/publications/11/Files/0209_P.pdf Some pretty shocking loads for some carriers. Ie In
29 Aussie_ : Air Asia (Indonesia) are launching daily flights DPS-PER return, with launch fare of A$77 one way (or $149 return) all-in. Presumably A320 operated. T
30 Post contains links VirginFlyer : Here's something a bit out of left field: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...irlines-plans-to-buy-regional.html I wonder who the take over target
31 ANstar : QZ 8621 Dep Perth 4.50AM Arr Bali 8.30 QZ 8620 Dep Bali 00.30 Arr Perth 4.10 NASTY! 4.50am DEP eik
32 6thfreedom : overnight flights on such a short sector will always be troublesome. The alternative would have been: DPS 2130 PER 01.10+1 PER 01.50 DPS 05.30 My gue
33 QantasA333 : QF use the B717 from ADL to Kalgoorlie (don't know code). I think this is through National Jet Systems. Is bookable through the QF website. Don't kno
34 QF175 : I see Singapore Airlines and Westpac will make an announcement this coming Thursday regarding some sort of new product agreement. It will surely have
35 Tayser : JQ offering 5000 seats for $0.05 inc tax/fees 10pm-11pm (AEST) tonight. Jetmail subscribers only.
36 ANstar : I agre - but checking in for a 4.50AM international flight - you would need to be at the airport at 2.50am ergh Do you sleep the night before or not?
37 Vhqpa : Qantaslink's entire 717 operation is operated by Cobham Aviation Services Australia (which until recently was called National Jet Systems). both airc
38 NZ107 : Ok, will bear this in mind. Thanks again for your replies! Man those 717 flights are expensive.. I doubt I'll be getting close to them.. Let's see if
39 Allrite : Entirely underwhelming. Flights aren't until 2010 and the destinations... Melbourne (Tullamarine) Hobart Melbourne (Tullamarine) Newcastle Brisbane N
40 Vhqpa : Not to mention if your lucky enough to get to the stage where you select the flights you get a error and have to start over again. I guess it's bette
41 Rsg85 : absolutly useless sale, why advertise it if your website cant even handle it, theres only 5000 sale seats, the website should be able to handle 5000
42 Post contains links and images VirginFlyer : The first Embraer in Pacific Blue colours has shown up in New Zealand on delivery. Is it going to be operating any Pacific Blue sectors in the near te
43 Ben175 : Woah - definitely not the best idea, besides don't most hotels open check in around 2pm? I guess we won't see a QZ 320 parked next to a gorgeous D7 A
44 JQFlightie : finally its real 'Jetstar Silver' and not that yuck grey/brownie colour!
45 Alangirvan : just head to the airport from your party.
46 Alangirvan : If you really want to fly 717s, save it up for your next holiday and try Bangkok Airways. They have 2, though they are replacing them with A319s, so
47 Jbernie : I might be a bit behind (read it in Aust Aviation) but could they be looking to pick up the remainder of MacAir? That could flow into the regional st
48 Jetfuel : I dont want to make a huge deal of it, but VA's future seriously worries me. Recently flew BNE-LAX-BNE and I am sorry to say that apart from a nice ne
49 ANstar : Mid telling us what was inferior? I hear BNE-LAX is reall struggling for them. but SYD-LAX is doing ok with loads.
50 Jetfuel : Let me say that I was very excited about VA. I booked the imagural BNE-LAX on April 8. Here goes BNE-LAX 8/4 Inaugural flight. I ended up on the TV n
51 TN486 : Hit the BOOK button dead on 2200 and you'll never guess what happened (Due to high demand etc etc), must have been a millisecond too slow
52 Sydscott : On a related topic, I got a flight change emailed to me by Qantas today stating that my SYD-LAX flight in July has been downgraded from an A380 to a 7
53 Jbernie : We still appear to be on an A380 next Wednesday evening (QF 12). Be just a bit disappointed if they changed it down to a 744.
54 Airvan00 : It is only 3 A380's per week SYD-LAX at the moment. Apparently the delivery of the 4th A380 has been delayed, so the June increases in flights will n
55 ANstar : Heheh Out own A.net celebrity! What is LCC about them? Ummm, QF's Intenrational Y allowance is only 23KG ALL international flights have to collect th
56 Sydscott : I'm a FF seat in Business so was hoping to sample the new lie flat seats. So I'm a bit disappointed it's not an A380. Still you win some, you lose so
57 Jetfuel : The general level of cabin service is not up to standard. Seat cushioning (although seat pitch is margnally better than QF) is poor, crappy little pi
58 Airvan00 : It's 46kg to the USA as it the piece system quote from the QF website Customers travelling in Economy to the USA /South America remain under the exis
59 ANstar : Their US partner is Delta... ie if you had of flown JFK-LAX with Delta on the one ticket bags could have been through checked. that doesn't mean they
60 Jbernie : Well Sydscott, you can kick back & relax knowing that there are no 743s left ... now there are some 732s aren't there? hmmmm I wonder....
61 ANstar : Tiger have announced SYD-ADL daily flight from July 31. Another thorn in the 2 brand strategy for QF.
62 AirbusA322 : $48 for the opening price is not to bad either, less than half of JQ's lowest fare. I was booking a few flights for their MEL-SYD route the other day
63 Sydscott : I quite liked flying on the 743's between SYD & PER. It was nice to have the seat back vid system for a domestic flight. At least an MD-80 can't make
64 Jbernie : Doesn't QF have some BAe 146's in the fleet, maybe under QantasLink or something? Remember... "4 engines 4 long haul"
65 JQFlightie : the question is, Do tiger have A/C to do this or are they going to do what they did when they first started here, over commit on Routes and have no A
66 JQFlightie : No they havnt had these for some time now.
67 Sydscott : No the only jet powered aircraft in the Qantaslink fleet is the 717. The rest is made up of Dash 8's of various makes.
68 Jbernie : The problems of living in the USA for 10 years and not always being able to keep up with all the changes that have happened.
69 Post contains links QF175 : New Singapore Airlines / Westpac Credit Card: http://info.westpac.com.au/singaporeairlines/Default.aspx
70 ANstar : Nice that you can earn 1 point per $ on the VISA....
71 AirbusA322 : Yes they do have the aircraft at the moment. 2 were delivered in the last 2 months. Basically the ADL hub has gaps, so they are moving their MEL-ADL-
72 JQFlightie : Wow alot of Aircraft! but i still dont know how they will do it... i just dont see them as a threat to JQ/DJ. How are their loads on their flights? a
73 AirbusA322 : They are starting to becoming more of a threat now. That Sydney announcement was the nail in the coffin for JQ's AVV-SYD ops. Tiger can fly where eve
74 Smi0006 : I just noticed the other day the 9W is now codesharing on QF9 MEL-SIN-LHR, is the codeshare all the way through to London or only on the MEL-SIN leg?
75 Post contains links Sydscott : If you wat to keep up with the latest QF Group listings bookmark the link below. http://www.icns.com.au/qflyer/qflyer.html I don't think that all of
76 Alangirvan : I am fairly sure it is just the segments between Australia and SIN, to connect with Jet Airways services between India and SIN. 9W could sell SIN-LHR
77 Alangirvan : I think Jetstar, Tiger and Air Asia have all had ambitions to set up operations all over Asia. AirAsia now has Malaysia, Indonesia and Thailand, but
78 Post contains links Ditzyboy : That has been the case for almost two years now, on all non-stop QF Aus-SIN services. Only as far as SIN. QF also place their code on 9W flights SIN-
79 VirginFlyer : I'm under the impression that ASEAN are moving (slowly) towards open skies, which will presumably allow such situations. From memory, the liberalisat
80 Sydscott : I'm pretty sure that it will be as part of the overall liberalisation of the ASEAN economies as they move towards being a European style community/bl
81 Smi0006 : Ahh K well is has just stared to appear on the FIDS in MEL then, interesting to note. Still would like to see 9W in oneworld one day but who knows, t
82 9MMAR : Just a confirmation that MH is not going to start DRW by the Head of Media Relations of the airline posted in a local forum. And congratulation to QZ
83 JQFlightie : no day is quiet in NTL haha
84 Allrite : Because I reside in Sydney I have not encountered much Tiger buzz. I'm struggling to understand their rationale for existing in the Australian market
85 Airvan00 : I live in SYD and the same applies. I fly JQ a couple of times a year (usually OOL but sometimes AVV). I'm willing to try TT to MEL, but whereas the
86 Post contains links Allrite : Qantas brings home A330 maintenance QF's A330 heavy maintenance checks will be done in Brisbane. I guess this makes sense seeing as they are maintaini
87 JQFlightie : this is fantastic news, keep the jobs in australia QF also service the JQ 330's too so i think this is a great move, well done Mr. Joyce!
88 Alangirvan : Anyone seen the rumour in another forum that 100 Qantas pilots will move to Jetstar, and three or four A330s will be moved to JQ? The A330s might fly
89 Sydscott : I agree with you. Also I just checked the Tiger schedule and we are talking essentially 1 daily flight between ADL-SYD and 3 to 4, depending on the w
90 ANstar : I haven't seen it, but it certainly makes sense. The QF international 332's were used on PEK, BOM, NRT and so far BOM is now 333 again PEK is dropped
91 9MMAR : QZ confirms DPS-DRW too, on top of DPS-PER.
92 ANstar : Are the flight times less ghastly?
93 Jbernie : Spoke with my dad last night, they are looking to do SYD-LAX later in the year, with the current drop in prices on the route, they are booking premium
94 Alangirvan : If I read the performance charts correctly, A320s could do DPS-ADL, though that would be a long flight in tight seats.
95 6thfreedom : Source?? I've not heard anything regarding DRW or ADL with Air Asia.
96 ANstar : How much was PE? I thought it was still 3-4k
97 9MMAR : AK insider (the airline's employee) for DPS-PER and DPS-DRW. He also mentioned D7's newest routes; KUL-AUH and KUL-Chengdu. Hopefully all will go smo
98 Alangirvan : That was me saying that DPS-ADL which has a distance of 2332 miles, looks like it would be within the range of an A320.
99 Jbernie : Didn't get the actual price, they will be flying out later in the year. Just checking the QF website and it looks like the "PE Saver" is running arou
100 Leonjunior : Airasia is offering FREE seats again to ALL international destinations exclude London. Only pay for taxes and fees For travel between 5 Jan to 30 Apr
101 Post contains links 6thfreedom : http://www.iasc.gov.au/pubs/4405.pdf http://www.iasc.gov.au/pubs/4408.pdf Looks like Pacific Blue is heading to Phuket. There were some rumours some t
102 ANstar : PER-HKT?
103 Rushed : Surely if you are on the inaugral flight you would have to expect some sort of activity that is different to normal.. E.g. entertainment / special gu
104 Jetfuel : And thats why I never used the first flight to asume an opinion on the VA service. Funny you should mention Virgin. V Australia was often mistakingly
105 Alangirvan : A quick look at Great Circle Mapper shows that Phuket is about 2900 miles from PER and about 2600 miles from DRW. SYD-DPS in a DJ 738 is about 2800 m
106 Elsonmandella : EK have loaded a 3rd daily flight between Dubai and Sydney. 01DEC EK414 Depart Dubai 0140 arrive Sydney 2235 EK415 Depart Sydney 0600 arrive Dubai 134
107 Alangirvan : Who would find these timings attractive? I know that EK works around connection banks at DXB - if you arrive on time into DXB you will be able to cat
108 GarethW : Yes it certainly doesn't appeal to me. I reckon the only way to take the 0600 departure ex SYD without being hideously jetlagged would be to stay up
109 Gemuser : And how many times a week will Ek414 end up in MEL? 25 minutes before curfew! Will often be a worrying flight for both pax & crew. Gemuser
110 AirbusA322 : Virgin are launching a new direct daily flight between SYD-HTI from 4th July. Intro fares start at $99 The first week of July will now see Tiger, Delt
111 6thfreedom : I think it would be a consideration, but I'm guessing that the DXB-SYD usually has favourable tail winds, and there's probably enough fat in the sche
112 NZ107 : Was BNE always ahead of MEL in the queue to get the A380?
113 GarethW : I have no idea, I just look at EK & BAC spending all that $ recently in BNE on their new lounge & that whole end of the terminal which EK uses, and s
114 ANstar : Have you flown Virgin Atlantic in economy? The service is SHOCKING and catering even worse. Not sure why when their current loads are pretty poor.
115 Gemuser : You could be right, 6thfreedom, but there does not seem to be much padding in the schedule. EK412 has a scheduled time of 14:50 hours and EK414 has o
116 DJ748 : From what I understand, BNE was the first city outside DXB to have an EK lounge. Not to mention with the upgrade, the lounge here in BNE is EK's larg
117 Post contains links QF175 : Brindabella Airlines has sold more than 300 seats on its new Tamworth - Brisbane route: http://www.nbntv.com.au/index.php/2009/05/13/brindabella-takes
118 Smi0006 : Lol what about EK409 out of MEL so many people rock up a day late, flight leaves at 02:55 so check-in opens at 22:30 the night before. Check-in for t
119 6thfreedom : I think you probably summed up the EK strategy. The 140 departure from DXB will probably be strictly adhered to, ie, they will not hold the aircraft
120 Alangirvan : I have just caught up with Australian Aviation. Regarding the possibility of Jetstar operating A330s out of Darwin base to Southern Europe, everone th
121 Boof : I'm booked on EK409 in the middle of June. When I was booking the domestic flight to MEL I had to stop and have a bit of a think about it!! I didn't
122 Ben175 : Regarding JQ's A330's to Europe via ME, why not streamline it through PER? As stated before, it is closer to DXB than Darwin, plus it's easily accesse
123 Post contains links DJ748 : Quite correct actually - quick google search revealed the following link from BNE airport's website: http://www.bne.com.au/content/mediap...B_iframe=
124 Smi0006 : Update on the VA flights from MEL-SYD-LAX they have been pushed back again from the 3rd of june until the 23rd of June although this is suspected to n
125 EK413 : correction... A340-541... With VA operating the LAX route I doubt SQ will consider the push for operating rights again... Curious to know how many B7
126 TruemanQLD : A question for people who fly domestically alot: Do you find Tiger to be any cheaper? I know for the last few holidays I have looked at going to MEL o
127 AirbusA322 : Tiger flights seem to be sold out/full before holidays come, hence they will be a little pricey...It pays to book ahead with Tiger, as you can score
128 NZA320 : DJ has 48 737NG aircraft comprised of: 21 737-700 - 19 leased, 2 owned 27 737-800 - 9 leased, 18 owned
129 TruemanQLD : Wow, I didnt know they leased so many of them. Thats only 20 a/c that they actually own. Who do they lease them from?
130 Post contains links ANstar : http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/ Interesting opinion piece....
131 NZA320 : 737-700 ILFC - 10 GECAS - 3 CIT - 1 Boullioun - 5 737-800 ILFC - 3 GECAS - 2 CIT - 4
132 Post contains images QF175 : Premium Economy is beginning to show on routes operated by 2-Class 747-400s. Here's the seatmap for QF15 BNE-LAX for a random date in SEP09: New confi
133 QF175 : Oops.. config should show as 42J/16W/356Y and not 14W as previously posted. Cheers
134 Post contains links Airvan00 : QFlyer http://www.icns.com.au/qflyer/qantas.html has the "2 class" proposed with Premium Economy as 56J 39W 275Y But as your seat map shows, rows 23 a
135 SIngAPORE_AIR : Ben Sandilands is normally alright but those two paragraphs show a lack of in-depth knowledge and understanding about the way Singapore Airlines work
136 TN486 : here I go again, but what does all this mean (I do not understand what you are conveying). If sensitive, you may wish to PM me. Thanks.
137 Tayser : I got the following email from SQ/KrisFlyer last night: Dear tayser, As a valued KrisFlyer member, I am writing to inform you that as a result of a co
138 SInGAPORE_AIR : Well the two strategies I alluded to were discounting and slashing your yield to maintain passenger numbers or trying hard to maintain one's yield bu
139 Post contains links ANstar : No more free flight sales... and all prices to include tax from Tuesday http://www.smh.com.au/travel/travel-...ee-flight-sales-20090520-bf3d.html
140 Ben175 : From the Indonesian Aviation thread, Garuda is axing CGK-PER and starting CGK-SYD & MEL.
141 Smi0006 : I did notice the other day on the departure board in Mel a GA flight going to DEP and then onto CGK, wonder if it was sign of things to come. Will it
142 Post contains links Jbguller : I'm surprised noone in this thread, or on the forums, has talked about OzJet entering voluntary administration...surprise surprise. Alliance have take
143 VH-KCT* : There are allegations on other forums that Heavylift may have taken on O7 merely to prop up its own (flag of convenience but that's another matter) o
144 JQflightie : what does this mean for Norfolk Air and Air Nauru?
145 Vhqpa : Nothing because Our Airline just recently got the Norfolk Air contract as well as operating its own services to Nauru for well over 2 years now. In a
146 VH-KCT* : Yes ON were always going to take over Norfolk I. from O7 and when O7 pulled out earlier than they were to have done, ON just started operating the co
147 Post contains links SInGAPORE_AIR : New surcharge on exit row seats comes as first class scrapped QANTAS has moved to give itself more space to stretch profit from many overseas flights
148 Post contains links Boof : Seems like the rumours about QF club members not getting into the JQ lounge at OOL were correct: http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalk...nge-shuts-out-
149 Smi0006 : Not sure if it has been mentioned here but it looks like VA is changing its plans a tad; can't reveal my sources but not confirmed but stronger than r
150 6thfreedom : So are you saying that MEL-SYD-LAX will be 6 per week from 29 June?? Gives VA access to MEL earlier than planned, boosts numbers on the SYD-LAX secto
151 Alangirvan : I think you meant six times weekly - six times daily would be a spectacular frequency - perhaps it will happen if VA ever switches over to 787s. Earl
152 ANstar : Interesting re V Australia. I owuld have thought they would try and keep it daily especially if getting the MEL-SYD-LAX extra pax. So I guess if MEL n
153 DavidByrne : Or it may mean that VA is suffering sufficiently badly that they believe it prudent to consolidate for the moment, rather than expand.
154 ANstar : Then what do they do with the 4th Aircraft arriving in a couple of months? It was due to fly MEL-LAX so I presume they will use it still??? On most d
155 Smi0006 : Haha sorry indeed I did sorry about that, thus it should be 6 weekly with the removal of the Wednesday service No not at all the were originally supp
156 DJ748 : It's due to increase from 3x to 4x weekly in late September. It's only 1 flight per week, but still, it's something.
157 ANstar : I ownder if that will still happen given MEL isnt starting. Perhaps BNE-HKG?? In syaing that, they really should stop advertising (and selling) that
158 DJ748 : It's still showing in their timetables, but unless they decide against the increase between now and then remains to be seen. The BNE-HKG route would
159 ANstar : I really can't see VA dropping to 6 weekly on SYD-LAX... especially with DL coming on with a daily service. I owuld also have epxected the flights to
160 Alangirvan : My guess was that two VA 77Ws could be used SYD-LAX-SYD-PER-JNB-PER-SYD, one plane could be used MEL-SYD-LAX and plane four could be used SYD-BNE-LAX,
161 Bluewhite : Does anyone know what planes are stored/wfu at Brisbane (with regs) ? I flew into there about a month back (and will be back next month)....looked lik
162 ANstar : Ok... I found out today that in fact EVERY Wednesday flight SYD-LAX this month (May) has been cancelled... ie no flights have op'd on a WED. Wed's pa
163 Post contains links ANstar : Also re VA they have an outbounf LF of 50.9% and inbound of 67.8% for their first full month of operations. Not a bad effort for Month #1 esp consoder
164 JQFlightie : If you mean over near the Virgin Blue hangers in BNE, it is a EMB170 that used to belong to SkyWorld and then i believe there is 2 ex US Airways (sti
165 Tayser : Just watching Australia Network news from Hong Kong and they've just had a story on how Singapore's PM has put SQ on the pacific on the agenda for the
166 Vhqpa : Are they still interested with VA and DL entering the market? The only thing I can think is if SQ enters SYD-LAX replacing UA839/840. then SQ gets in
167 VirginFlyer : I wonder whether this is to do with softness of demand, lack of available aircraft/crew or payload weight restrictions out of Melbourne to the US? I
168 ANstar : AC were load restricted on SYD-YVR when they used the 77W and MEL-LAX is longer.
169 NZ107 : Wow, being able to fly a 77W MEL-SYD would be great! Would this be a continuation of VA1, so departing MEL around 1900 for the flight out of SYD at 2
170 Smi0006 : No I don't think those times are right, I can't remember exactly but I believe arrival into MEL was about 10:00 it would then sit on the ground for a
171 ANstar : VA2 lands in SYD at 7.10am though it has been rocking up at 8am a fair bit lately. So I'd say it would be on the gorund for an hour then head to MEL
172 BNE : I had heard that there was a chance VA would do a SYD-MEL service, will be nice to try out the V Australia product on a short sector, if V Australia
173 ANstar : Hi BNE, The Wednesday flight has already been cut from the start of May. (ie no WED lfight ops this montha t all). Pax were put on the day before/aft
174 Jbernie : Hey folks I am back in Denver after my heavily discounted DEN-LAX-SYD return flight thanks to Frontier & Qantas. Had QF12 (A380) on the LAX-SYD flight
175 ANstar : Indeed it is! All USA flights need to have secondary screening at the gate. Yes again VA's 777 is on the ground from around 8am until 8pm.
176 Zkpilot : Now that Swine Flu is rapidly spreading in Australia (currently about 300 confirmed with another 3000 in home quarantine) looks like you may have spo
177 Jbernie : Any reason why they did not appear to screen everyone? While we were waiting a few more people came into the Gate area without going through the scre
178 Sydscott : Hi everyone, A couple of questions for clarification; 1. In the June edition of Australian Aviation, they say that Qantas will take delivery of 2 A330
179 Allrite : Oh no, I've gone off prematurely! Time for some Nasal Delivery Technology (*sneezes* in an easterly direction.)
180 ANstar : That is strange. My understanding is ALL pax need to be screened at the gate. No exception. I have seen them move everyone out and put up the screens
181 Smi0006 : Perhaps they are going to JQ I herd they were getting one? Which A332s are stored the ones with Skybeds? Still suprises me we don't see them being se
182 ANstar : Not sure - I'll take a look at the rego tomorrow... I would have thought it made more sense to xfr a QF one to JQ rather than aquire a new one.
183 Zkpilot : LMAO
184 Post contains links ANstar : It apppears the DJ ADL-NAN FRI/SUN flights are being scrapped due to low demand. The aircraft will be redployed to MEL and operate MEL-NAN on FRI/SUN
185 Smi0006 : I hadn't realised the Mel-Nan flight had begun yet when did they start? Can't be too long now before their Denpasar flights start. When does GA begin
186 ANstar : All this week with the arrival of a new 737 from the domestic fleet. SYD-DPS was yesterday, MEL-DPS today and I think MEL-NAN is this Thurs (though h
187 Rsg85 : Im sitting bored out of my mind in the QF terminal at MEL. Noticed on my way here that the Emirites a340 with the sore bum wasnt over at John Holland,
188 Rsg85 : Just got word the EK a340 is back in the John Holland hanger. Having work done??? what was the final decision on this aircraft, is it being repaired t
189 Smi0006 : As far as I am aware they are going to fly it out a part arrived for it the other day but had to be used for the EK407 that day instead, so I imagine
190 QF175 : ADL/NAN services will now commence early September 2009. BNE/NAN is actually 8x weekly at various stages throughout the year. BNE/DPS still continues
191 DJMEL : DJ'S inaugral MEL/DPS service was operates by VH-VUQ, which is not fitted with Live2Air.
192 Post contains links Boof : Could this be why DJ have an E190 painted in PB Colours? Pacific Blue launches Hamilton flights June 3, 2009 - 8:59AM Pacific Blue has confirmed the l
193 Zkpilot : I think I saw it the other day...have they painted over the tail and the Emirates Tiles?
194 Post contains links VirginFlyer : http://www.virginblue.com.au/AboutUs.../NewsandPressReleases/P_008865.htm V/F
195 NZ107 : Nope, check out the New Zealand Aviation thread for more but it's a 737-800 on this route.
196 Mal787 : So I assume ths flight around 6.5hrs (est) would be a long flight for those without a book. Why would you do that to your passengers? mal787
197 CHCalfonzo : VUQ was originally delivered to Pacific Blue NZ as ZK-PBL, it was only recently transferred to the VH register. None of the PB birds in NZ have Live2
198 Mxp : hi people from Italy need an help i was spotting in LAX last 20th May and suddendly around 9.00/9.40 a Qantas A380 landed and i wasnt waiting for it.
199 6thfreedom : I assume these aircraft have live 2 air. IFE in every seat is better than what the competitors are offering.
200 ANstar : Great news we will soon be able to earn velocity miles on Virgin america
201 DJMEL : All flights to DPS are suppose to be operated with Aircraft fitted with Live2Air, with the Aircraft which are painted in Pacific Blue Colours and fitt
202 Boof : OK Thanks for the heads up. I thought I read somewhere that Hamilton had weight issues with the NZ A320's hence they pulled out or was that somewhere
203 Pewpew320 : More like load issues, it's simply not worth paying more to fly from HLZ when AKL is 90 minutes up the road and prices can be $50 - $60 cheaper so the
204 Airvan00 : On wednesday 20th May there were 2 qantas A380 arrivals at LAX, VH-OQB QF 93 from MEL at 0747 PDT and VH-OQC QF 11 from SYD at 0940 PDT
205 Post contains links Allrite : Australian Aviation Thread 28 is now up.
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