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User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5967 times:

What routes and aircraft did TWA fly from IAD over the years? In particular, I am curious about international service. Also, which concourse did they fly from at IAD?

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User currently offlineBrittrvl From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 12 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5838 times:

I flew LAX to IAD to CDG with TWA. It was a 3 class of service 767 and I was in FIRST. It was my 1st time in First class and always one I will remember. The seats were nothing special. They had this canvas tent thing that pulled out as a leg rest and they went back about 145 degrees- not flat. Configuration was 2x1x2. Headset was air driven. The food was something else however. I remember this fondly. This was probably 1994 or so


Airlines flown: AA,AF,AS,AZ,BA,BD,CX,DL,MH,NW,SQ,TG,UA&VS
User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5110 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5804 times:

STL and JFK (almost always on TWExpress) of course, as well as ATL in the 90's. During the ATL mini-hub days there was an ATL-IAD-CDG route with a change of guage @ IAD.

TWA IIRC operated from the C concourse.

[Edited 2009-05-01 16:03:28]


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User currently offlineL1011Lover From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 989 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5755 times:

During the 80's and early 90's until TWA began downsizing it's international operation dramatically they had a nonstop from IAD to CDG. That was during times when TWA still operated a hub (that's how they called it - before someone starts arguing what can be considered a real hub) at CDG.

TW894 was a daily nonstop service and left IAD at 6:05pm, arriving in CDG the following morning at 7:25am. From CDG the flight was continuing on to GVA with a scheduled aircraft change in CDG, departing Paris at 8:55am and arriving into Geneva at 10:00am.

TW894 also connected with the following flights in CDG:

TW834 to CAI on mondays,
TW800 to CAI on tuesdays,
TW860 to FCO on tuesdays and thursdays,
TW834 to FCO on fridays, saturdays and sundays,
TW860 to TLV on saturdays,
TW800 to TLV on wednesdays and thursdays,
TW834 to TLV on tuesdays,
TW804 to ZRH daily

The daily return flight to IAD, TW895 was scheduled to leave GVA at 11:25am for CDG, arriving there at 12:30pm and continue on to IAD at 2:10pm arriving in IAD at 4:20pm, again with a cheduled change of equipment in CDG.

From IAD TW895 continued on to LAX, from where flight TW894 was coming from.

Other TWA flights to/from Dulles included service to: LGA, STL and SFO.

This information is from TWA's timetable, effective July 1, 1990.

Later during the 90's IAD was reduced to STL service only.

If you wanna check out TWA's Dulles flight schedules of some previous years I recommend you check out the website departedflights.com

Best regards,

L1011Lover


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25311 posts, RR: 22
Reply 4, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5706 times:



Quoting L1011Lover (Reply 3):
TW894 was a daily nonstop service and left IAD at 6:05pm, arriving in CDG the following morning at 7:25am. From CDG the flight was continuing on to GVA with a scheduled aircraft change in CDG, departing Paris at 8:55am and arriving into Geneva at 10:00am.

The CDG-GVA-CDG sectors used a 727.

In October 1981 I flew TW IAD-CDG. It was a 747SP that day.


User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5300 times:

I flew TW several times on the IAD-LAX sector, I got a chance to be on the 762, 763, and L-1011.

almost all my flights were from the remote stand using the planemates and with exception C gates as well



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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5279 times:

When did OZ move from IAD to DCA?

User currently offlineLGA777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1149 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5258 times:

I remember IAD-LAX being operated by a 747-100 in the early 70's then a L-1011 not long after they entered the fleet. I remember a good article in the short lived and awesome Airliners International magazine that only published I believe 4 issues in the early 70's. The article was about how an airline turns around a 747 and it was written about a TWA 747 turn at IAD.

Also as many on this site are aware, TWA 514, a 727-231 crashed on approach to IAD on 12-1-1974 during a weather diversion from DCA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWA_Flight_514


Regards

LGA777


User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5434 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5248 times:

I flew IAD-LHR-IAD on a TW L1011 in January, 1979. I remember the flight was delayed 24 hours because the passenger door was frozen shut - or that's what they told us.


I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
User currently offlineAeroman62 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5135 times:

From the TWA system timetable 10/26/75:

DEN 1 dailyj, 727
LAX 2 daily, 707/L1011
JFK 1 daily, 707
CDG, 1 daily, 707
PHL, 2 daily, 707/727
PHX, 1 daily, 707
SFO, 2 daily, both 707

10 Total

From the 6/1/70 Timetable (may be partial):

DEN: 1
LAX: 3 All 707
SFO: 2 All 707
LHR: 1 (continued on to FRA) 707
BAL: 1
JFK: 1
STL: 1 (originated in FRA and LHR)
ORY: 1 (continued on to FCO) 707

11 Total


User currently offlineIadbudd From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5067 times:

From the 90's through the end of TWA, they used concourse D. Specifically D15 for the 767 CDG turn and the DC9,s from D12, D14 for the STL and ATL flights. TW express was using those gates to JFK with J41'S and other props as well.

User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2226 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4542 times:



Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 8):
I flew IAD-LHR-IAD on a TW L1011 in January, 1979. I remember the flight was delayed 24 hours because the passenger door was frozen shut - or that's what they told us.

Was this a scheduled flight or a charter?

I know TWA suspended IAD-LHR in 1975, as part of the Pan Am / TWA route swap.

I thought Bermuda II (which was signed in 1977) limited IAD-LHR to two airlines, Pan Am and British Airways, and I wasn't aware TWA ever flew IAD-LHR on a scheduled basis after the 1975 suspension.



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User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5434 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4401 times:

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 11):
Was this a scheduled flight or a charter?

Scheduled flight. I can't prove it; but my memory is pretty clear - it was my honeymoon.

Wife has similar recollection.

[Edited 2009-05-04 13:08:44]


I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 6835 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4277 times:

No direct TWA flights Washington-London in the 1/79 OAG, or in the 10/78 or 10/79 timetables.

User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5434 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4196 times:

Quoting Timz (Reply 13):
No direct TWA flights Washington-London in the 1/79 OAG, or in the 10/78 or 10/79 timetables.

Wow. I'll have to assume we have the airline wrong, since we've been celebrating the anniversary for 30 years.

Edit: Weird. Rechecked with my wife; she is still sure it was TWA and thinks if she looked hard enough she could find the ticket jacket.

[Edited 2009-05-04 19:40:22]


I love long German words like 'Freundschaftsbezeigungen'.
User currently offlineWA707atMSP From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2226 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4018 times:



Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 14):
Quoting Timz (Reply 13):
No direct TWA flights Washington-London in the 1/79 OAG, or in the 10/78 or 10/79 timetables.

Wow. I'll have to assume we have the airline wrong, since we've been celebrating the anniversary for 30 years.

TWA did fly PHL-London nonstop in the 1970s (until they sold the route to USAir in the early 1990s, in fact), and I'm pretty sure they used L-1011s on the route. You might have the departure city wrong, not the airline.



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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 6835 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3914 times:

And TW did have connecting flights between IAD and LHR, of course. We assumed you didn't mean that.

User currently offlinePanova98 From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3877 times:

In early June 1974, I flew on TWA, flight 734, IAD to FRA, on a 707.

A terrible flight, where this particular 707 clearly had a handling, or perhaps an autopilot problem, when throughout most of the flight one wing would suddenly pitch up, then down, level off, up again, down, over and over. Like, maybe whenever the captain tried to engage the autopilot, something was fighting against a level flight, overcorrecting. Captain never did explain the problem to us.

Not sure when the TW IAD-FRA non-stops began or ended. 1974 was not a good year for TWA flights, what with the crash in December just west of IAD, and an earlier incident overseas.


User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3863 times:



Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 2):
TWA IIRC operated from the C concourse.

If you're referring to the mini-hub in ATL, you are correct. They operated with a few gates on Concourse C and eventually ValuJet started on C shortly there after.

I remember flying ATL-TPA in '92 on one of the 3 Braniff's and having to walk to Concourse D from Concourse B due to broken tram. Walking past the entrance into Concourse C and it being partially boarded up and looking up the escalator into the dark concourse spine. Seeing ATL today, you would never imagine an abandoned Concourse.

Quoting LGA777 (Reply 7):
Also as many on this site are aware, TWA 514, a 727-231 crashed on approach to IAD on 12-1-1974 during a weather diversion from DCA.

That crash is what led to GPWS. Would someone know what event gave us Enhanced GPWS? And I'm asking not being trivial.


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3765 times:



Quoting Iadbudd (Reply 10):
rom the 90's through the end of TWA, they used concourse D.

What about before the 90s?

Quoting Iadbudd (Reply 10):
Specifically D15 for the 767 CDG turn and the DC9,s from D12, D14 for the STL and ATL flights

Interesting...Did those gates go over to AA in 2001? And are now sitting vacant yes?

Quoting L1011Lover (Reply 3):
During the 80's and early 90's until TWA began downsizing it's international operation dramatically they had a nonstop from IAD to CDG.

Do you know what year this flight ended? It was TW's last international destination out of IAD in the 90s correct?


User currently offlineIadbudd From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3693 times:

It was definitely the last TW international destination from IAD, just not sure when it finally ended. D15 went to UA and D12, D14 went to AA for a while before going to present day operators of UA/UA express. D19,21,24 are now vacant since AA moved to B71,B73 last year.

User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 6835 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (5 years 4 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3503 times:

IAD-CDG is in the 7/94 timetable; it's not in the 4/95.

User currently offlineJohnClipper From Hong Kong, joined Aug 2005, 844 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3342 times:

I know the CDG flight lasted until the late 1980s/early 1990s. Have a pic of a TW 762 arriving from either LHR or CDG...

User currently offlineN702ML From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 3242 times:



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 6):
When did OZ move from IAD to DCA?

There is a little gap here...sorry I can't be more specific, EXAAUADL...

The Ozark December 1, 1978 timetable shows service to IAD....(2 nonstops to Champaign/Urbana and 2 nonstops to LaGuardia.)

Sometime between then and the November 15, 1979 OAG, Dulles was dropped and Baltimore was added....(2 nonstops to Champaign/Urbana, 2 nonstops to LaGuardia and 1 nonstop to Saint Louis.)

The July 1, 1980 timetable cover announces new service to National Airport (2 nonstops to Saint Louis.) Baltimore remained with 1 nonstop to Champaign/Urbana and 1 nonstop to LaGuardia.)

Ozark then, I believed, remained at both DCA and BWI until the merger with TWA.

Greg
www.departedflights.com


User currently offlineLuckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 4 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 3205 times:



Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 11):
I thought Bermuda II (which was signed in 1977) limited IAD-LHR to two airlines, Pan Am and British Airways, and I wasn't aware TWA ever flew IAD-LHR on a scheduled basis after the 1975 suspension.

Bermuda II allowed two carriers from each country to operate to/from Heathrow.


25 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : There was at least one exception.National Airlines operated MIA-LHR. I think that was the only time prior to the introduction of Open Skies last Marc
26 WA707atMSP : When the agreement was signed, this was true for just two gateways: New York, and either Boston or Los Angeles. TWA was allowed to serve both Boston
27 Timz : BN too?
28 WA707atMSP : Prior to Bermuda II, there were no limits on the number of US airlines that could serve LHR. Bermuda II limited LHR only to the airlines then serving
29 RJpieces : Where did Pan Am operate international flights from at IAD? Was the main terminal used back then for departures/arrivals, or the planemates, or a con
30 WA707atMSP : After I got home from work last night, I looked at my copy of PA's 1976 annual report. As part of the swap, PA also dropped LAX-LHR, so the only rout
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