TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4104 posts, RR: 13 Posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 7820 times:
Iyi Mayislar everyone,
Here we go again, another summer season starts for Turkish Aviation. Amid the economic climate, it looks like most of the Turkish carriers are getting ready for the summer season by adding new jets to their fleets.
This month will mark the departure of A310-300 pax fleet from TK livery. I always said they were the workhorse for the fleet for all these years. A job well done, we will miss you -JDA and -JDB.
Please share your views, rumors, news on what's going on in Turkish Aviation:
-When can we expect the 2x 332s to join the TK fleet?
-What is the latest on Canada flights?
-How is the GRU flights doing?
-Performance of the 773ERs? I am still waiting for more news on the 5 more ordered. 2 or 3 class?
-Will we ever see a 787/350 order? It has been 3 years or so by now.
Please feel free to add your ESB, ADB news and news about other carriers.
THEENGINEER From Germany, joined Mar 2007, 106 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7778 times:
Sorry to hear that the A310 is leaving the THY fleet. On which routes were the last two planes used? Will those routes be replaced by the A321? Any news about some new 777 routes? I heard the next one will be JFK.
TurkishWings From Turkey, joined May 2006, 1407 posts, RR: 9 Reply 6, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 7757 times:
Quoting TK787 (Thread starter): This month will mark the departure of A310-300 pax fleet from TK livery. I always said they were the workhorse for the fleet for all these years. A job well done, we will miss you -JDA and -JDB.
To be honest, I won't. I will not miss those planes a tiny bit. I never liked them. I never completely felt safe in those airplanes. I will be happier when the 734s leave
My highlight of the month, however, is my upcoming trip to LHR. 22-25 May, TK 1979-1980 which means both flights will be operated by the B 777-300ER. What's even better is, I will be in C class both ways... I will most probably write a TR when I get back...
P.S: Getting a UK visa has become a real pain in the neck. They now want English translations of almost all documents. Thank God they let you do your own translations at least Will apply on Wednesday....
Robcol99 From Turkey, joined Jun 2004, 287 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7704 times:
Quoting THEENGINEER (Reply 4): Sorry to hear that the A310 is leaving the THY fleet. On which routes were the last two planes used? Will those routes be replaced by the A321? Any news about some new 777 routes? I heard the next one will be JFK.
A310s at the moment do DEL, BOM and Lagos. With the arrival of the ex-QR A332s their service will no longer be necessary.
Emrecan From Turkey, joined Feb 2000, 914 posts, RR: 8 Reply 9, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7634 times:
I was in US for a short trip last month, but couldn't find a time to share on last month's thread.
On 16th of April I flew to JFK on a TK flight. Security at IST was horrible as usual. I am not sure about the aircraft but most probably it was TC-JIH "Aydın". After a 20 minutes delay, we were taxiing to 18R for the take off. We started to roll on 18R but the captain has not made any announcement like "cabin crew, take off position". We moved till the middle of the runway with a slow speed and then turned left and we've left the runway. Then the captain has told us that the brakes were overheated and we had to wait them to be cooled. We moved near the Turkish Technic and a truck has come with a cooler. In 10 minutes the captain has told "now we are ready to take off, sorry for the delay".
I think this problem was not discussed here before.
Finally with around 2 hrs delay we were on the way to JFK. The flight was ok, nothing extraordinary. When we were in JFK, we were told that another TK A340 from JFK to IST, made an emergency landing to LHR due to cabin pressure problem. I think April 16th was not a good day for TK A340s
On April 22nd, my flight was on TK from ORD to IST. Unfortunately again on an A340 "TC-JDN "Adana" ". (I don't know when I will have a chance to fly on an A330).
I flew to ORD from MIA and I had around 4,5 hrs for my IST flight. When I landed to ORD I saw the TK's 340. I think around 5 hrs, TK's bird is waiting at ORD. Isn't it too much??
The flight was 50% full and again was a very smooth flight.
After domestic flights with AA, TK is really good IMHO.
For me it was great to see A380 (EK) in JFK and fly with a female captain from MIA to ORD.
TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4104 posts, RR: 13 Reply 10, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7604 times:
I am glad you got to travel with AA for TK comparison and have seen some cool things. Isn't it great to see the variety of airliners at JFK or ORD? It is crazy to see 3 LX or 5 BA jets at the same time at JFK.
Baha said the same thing before. How are they going to make this daily flight work with loads like this? 330 as opposed to 340 should help. Also I think this route is served by 2 frames. That is why it sits on the ground for 5 hours. I guess it is the same situation with some SouthEast Asian routes.
Stylo777 From Turkey, joined Feb 2006, 2870 posts, RR: 12 Reply 11, posted (4 years 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 7572 times:
Quoting TK787 (Reply 10): Baha said the same thing before. How are they going to make this daily flight work with loads like this? .
with some help of UA?!?
Chicago is for sure not the best place to transfer to the West coast as it's kinda to Northern, but UA is big their and can feed them. That's my oppinion.
Quoting TK787 (Thread starter): This month will mark the departure of A310-300 pax fleet from TK livery
The A310 for TK is like the A306 for LH: great aircraft for shortflights with high loads which a A321 can't handle. Of course there is a B753, but this is another story... I liked the A310 eventhough my experiences were limited to IST-ADB (around 5 times)
Wing From Turkey, joined Oct 2000, 1552 posts, RR: 25 Reply 12, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 7522 times:
Quoting Emrecan (Reply 9): We started to roll on 18R but the captain has not made any announcement like "cabin crew, take off position". We moved till the middle of the runway with a slow speed and then turned left and we've left the runway
Thats because he already decided not to take off so he didnt made a take off announcement.A340s doesnt have "brake cooling fans" as we do on A320's and when the rwy18R is used for take off brakes get very hot since there is very high volume of traffic and you have to use the brakes alot.e
The book says hot brakes significantly reduces brake performance during a rejected take off and it was a good airmanship by the captain not to take any risk for a possible abort with fully loaded A340 with hot brakes.
Bahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1727 posts, RR: 12 Reply 13, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7473 times:
If I can add to Wing's comments , which were right on the money, the brake temperatures are important. In the CRJs that I used to fly you have 3 boxes where brake temperatures are listed (not actual temperatures but some numbers from 1 to 5).
I have never seen them get warmer than 2 in a hot day in IAH with lots of stop and goes, but in simulator we practiced certain condition of hot brakes and they are not fun..
brake cooling fans in A320s? Wow!!
As far as UA/TK codeshare.. Well, I don't think TK knows how to use this codeshare well, Their online booking engine sucks!!! PERIOD! (We have been saying this many more years now). Their prices are really inflated.. I haven't flown THY over the pond for more than 3 years.
You would think that SEA-(ORD/JFK)-IST would make really good sense, but when TK wants $1300 where I can travel SEA-(AMS/FRA/CDG)-IST for almost half the price, guess which one I will pick
All we need is Gokmen and Stylo (now Detroit based) to confirm that all TK Aviation fans here choose anything but TK to fly to IST from the US.
Here is some food for thought;
Later this year CO will become a Star partner. Will it be totally out of question to see TK operating out of EWR, maybe 3-4 times weekly on top of 7x weekly JFK?
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22027 posts, RR: 51 Reply 15, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7456 times:
Quoting Bahadir (Reply 13): Well, I don't think TK knows how to use this codeshare well
To be fair, from what I understand UA is being rather stingy with allocating TK any preferential fare inventory to make most US beyond cities workable. (basically UA figures it can sell the seats itself at higher rate, then interline prorate sale)
Quoting TK787 (Reply 14): Will it be totally out of question to see TK operating out of EWR, maybe 3-4 times weekly on top of 7x weekly JFK?
I'd argue why even stay at JFK? EWR is the hub of future Star partner CO would be a much better airport for TK to serve both NYC while also providing lots of connectivity.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
AsoRock From Bahrain, joined May 2006, 318 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7380 times:
This might seem off-topic but actually it is not. I have been a frequent flyer of Turkish Airlines for few years now. All I can say is that TK product for Gulf-based persons traveling often to destinations all over Europe is just excellent.
The flights depart almost always on time, the service consistent, seats comfortable, daily flights and above all, the FOOD, is unparalleled in Europe.
One of the conveniences of flying Turkish Airlines is that as I travel frequently from Bahrain to Europe, the journey is sliced perfectly in half (3.5 hours + 3.5 hours), which is great if your butt tends to hurt when you travel on long haul flights.
Kudos for Turkish Airlines for being a great, constantly improving airline. I can't wait to fly to Brazil with them also (BAH-IST-GRU)
Baha, here is a first. I might have to travel to IST in 3 days, very short notice. I was very surprised to find that TK roundtrip is $810 compared to DL $1643. Both TK flights listed as 332s also. It is usually the other way around.
AsoRock From Bahrain, joined May 2006, 318 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (4 years 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7352 times:
Quoting TK787 (Reply 17):
Nice to hear all that. We would love to hear about the GRU trip, since it is very new and we haven't heard anything anywhere about the service.
By the way, I enquired about their fare for Bahrain-IST-Sao Paulo and back, and it is a very lovely USD 1,330 which is very cheap compared to flights with KLM or British Airways (almost double the price).
Bahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1727 posts, RR: 12 Reply 22, posted (4 years 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7188 times:
EWR vs. JFK for TK1/2
I landed in both airports.
20 years ago JFK was junk.. has improved quite a bit and TK was smart to get into Terminal 1.
EWR has some flaws..
The delays in EWR are much longer compared to JFK
JFK is closer to mid town, to higher income Turkish communities.
I remember LAXIntl saying that JFK traffic is more O&D traffic than connecting traffic. That might be another factor why people wouldn't mind JFK over EWR.
Also, with the upcoming IAD flight may solve the problem of lack of # of connections..
TK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4104 posts, RR: 13 Reply 23, posted (4 years 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 7092 times:
Quoting TK787 (Reply 14): All we need is Gokmen and Stylo (now Detroit based) to confirm that all TK Aviation fans here choose anything but TK to fly to IST from the US.
Quoting TK787 (Reply 17): I might have to travel to IST in 3 days, very short notice. I was very surprised to find that TK roundtrip is $810 compared to DL $1643.
I guess I spoke too soon.
So I ended up buying a ticket 48 hours in advance on TK for $810 (Mind you the return is late June). I already had a ticket leaving this Friday on DL, but the change fees/new ticket price were too high. So I moved the DL ticket all the way to December and bought a new TK ticket. This will be my first TK JFK-IST in 3-4 years, and really looking forward to flying the 332 on both legs. (fingers crossed, equip. change)
Another factor to consider is the trip to Manhattan. JFK to airtrain to subway is $7, JFK to Manhattan is about $50-60.
EWR to Manhattan by trains is not super cheap and few train changes. EWR-Manhattan by cab is up to $85. Only cheaper way is to take the PATH to Newark Station ($2) and a cab to EWR from there for ($25).