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Delta New Cabins And Avod?  
User currently offlineMHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1108 posts, RR: 8
Posted (5 years 7 months 1 hour ago) and read 8864 times:

I recently flew TPA-ATL-TPA on a 752 in both directions and was slightly disappointed to find that the aircraft had no PTV's, out-dated seats with new covers that really don't make anything better, and old CRT monitors in the aisle. This wasn't a big deal at all since it's only an hour flight but can someone enlighten me as to which DL aircraft have PTV's, new slimline seats, etc? Thanks.

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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7423 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 1 hour ago) and read 8845 times:
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We're using the PTV 757s for the most part on the longer sectors. Now granted i'm on the NW side of the house, but I position for trips and nonrev on DL aircraft from time to time, and i've found that the long hauls to from the east coast have the upgraded video entertainment and the shorter sectors such as DTW-ATL had the overhead video monitors. The NW aircraft have sparse video equipment as we're still going through the exterior overhaul as of right now.


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User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5915 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 1 hour ago) and read 8835 times:

All of the ex-Song 752s have PTVs, as do a small (VERY SMALL) handful of 738s, from what I can tell.
Slimline seats are in 764s and 763s.

Other than that, I've found their "retrofit" cabin process to be going painfully slowly, if moving at all.

That said, Delta has the most comfortable 752 seats of the major US carriers- and that's a direct quote from my backside.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6633 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 1 hour ago) and read 8831 times:

A list of all AVOD aircraft can be found at this website:
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User currently offlineBreaker1011 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 938 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months ago) and read 8728 times:

I fly PHX-ATL-PHX quite frequently and it seems I've about a 50/50 chance of getting the new PTV's in the seat backs. I would have thought more ships would have been modified by now as well.

The NW 757's leave something to be desired, for sure. The last one I flew didn't have any video system at all - found that interesting/disappointing.

Will all the NW 757's get the same interior refits? I'd imagine that will be a slow, slow process, which is sad because the Delta product itself with the PTV's is simply fantastic in either cabin (my humble opinion)

I'm not a purchase-decision maker based on PTV's, but will admit, as a Delta Platinum, I'm sure finding myself disappointed when I step onto a non-PTV 757, 763, or 738! It's like someone has rained on my experience!

PS - I am always a reigning champ on InFlight Trivia! LOL  Big grin



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21804 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months ago) and read 8701 times:

I've gotten the AVOD with satellite TV on both JFK-MCO and EWR-ATL. It looked like a nice system, but unfortunately it didn't work properly for either of the flights.

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 2):
That said, Delta has the most comfortable 752 seats of the major US carriers- and that's a direct quote from my backside.

Has your backside flown United? Delta's seats are pretty good (though the lack of a headrest is a downside), but I've yet to find another US carrier that can match UA.

Quoting Breaker1011 (Reply 4):
The NW 757's leave something to be desired, for sure. The last one I flew didn't have any video system at all - found that interesting/disappointing.

NW hasn't had video on their 757s for a while, save those that fly internationally. Their domestic IFE has been woeful (or, to be more precise, nonexistant). Hopefully DL will change that, though I'm not sure what can be done to the DC-9s except for adding audio programming. But even that would be a decent start.

-Mir



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User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months ago) and read 8665 times:

Delta only has about half of the domestic 757's configured with PTV's (Don't quote me on that). The reason you still see ones running around with CRT's is because these are the birds that do overseas Latin America and Caribbean runs. Thus, it's usually a tossup on the shorter segments such as DTW-ATL, TPA-ATL, RIC-ATL, etc because these flights can either be connecting to a LatAm/Caribbean or west coast destination.. Delta tries there best to put the PTV's on flights from east coast to west coast. Out of JFK, I've found that one is almost guaranteed to be on a plane with PTV's to the west coast. Out of ATL, I'd say it's a little more than 70% chance. Out of CVG it's a tossup as to whether or not your 738 will have PTV's.


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User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8484 times:

SAN-ATL has AVOD on all 757 and 767s flying, i think it all has to do with distance. I really like the AVOD and i'm sure Delta will make some money out of it. It will be nice when the 738s receive them as well and they start rolling out inflight internet. Eventually the A320s will probably receive the AVOD

User currently offlineOzair From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 878 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8162 times:



Quoting DL767captain (Reply 7):
I really like the AVOD and i'm sure Delta will make some money out of it.

Does this mean you have to pay for Delta AVOD? I'm flying SYD to RDU in August and was expecting it free on the 77L but how about on the internal sectors?


User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2897 posts, RR: 31
Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8123 times:



Quoting Evan767 (Reply 6):
The reason you still see ones running around with CRT's is because these are the birds that do overseas Latin America and Caribbean runs.

So these relatively important international flights still have the outdated IFE? I suppose Delta is up against the likes of Virgin America and JetBlue on the domestic transcons, but aren't several of the Latin American carriers (TACA, LAN, Copa, etc.) quite nice with modern inflight amenities as well?



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User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6844 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8113 times:



Quoting MHTripple7 (Thread starter):
I recently flew TPA-ATL-TPA on a 752 in both directions and was slightly disappointed to find that the aircraft had no PTV's, out-dated seats with new covers that really don't make anything better, and old CRT monitors in the aisle. This wasn't a big deal at all since it's only an hour flight but can someone enlighten me as to which DL aircraft have PTV's, new slimline seats, etc? Thanks.

Those are okay in interior quality. The new seat covers are actually pretty nice, especially in first class. Have you been on an AA 757 lately? Now THOSE are a real disappointment to fly on.

Quoting Mir (Reply 5):
I've gotten the AVOD with satellite TV on both JFK-MCO and EWR-ATL. It looked like a nice system, but unfortunately it didn't work properly for either of the flights.

For some reason that system worked on all my DL flights recently. Seems rather reliable compared to other carriers.



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User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7924 times:



Quoting Ozair (Reply 8):
Does this mean you have to pay for Delta AVOD? I'm flying SYD to RDU in August and was expecting it free on the 77L but how about on the internal sectors?

It depends on what you want to do on AVOD, now I don't know about international but for domestic you pay for the movie you want to watch, you get TV for free, just about everything else has a charge if you are in coach. In first class everything was free, but that's for domestic I don't know about international


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11458 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 7719 times:
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I noticed that first on JFK-SEA, recently on JFK-SFO and now JFK-LAX, DL is using more the 738 than the 752.
All flights to LAX now shows 738 as equipment.

Where are the 752's ?



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User currently offlineOzair From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 878 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7532 times:



Quoting DL767captain (Reply 11):
It depends on what you want to do on AVOD, now I don't know about international but for domestic you pay for the movie you want to watch, you get TV for free, just about everything else has a charge if you are in coach. In first class everything was free, but that's for domestic I don't know about international

Thats what I expected. Not that I will have much time to watch a movie flying with a one year old anyway....Thanks for the info DL767captain.


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4760 posts, RR: 44
Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7284 times:

Cabin retrofits will continue to bring pre-merger NWA a/c to Delta standard issue interior.

Some aircraft will get AVOD, others will get WiFi.

There is currently changes in thinking happening on the AVOD and WiFi programs some for the better, some for the worse.



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User currently offlineSurfandSnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2897 posts, RR: 31
Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7243 times:



Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 12):
Where are the 752's ?

Flying from JFK to cities such as FRA, ZRH, and DKR  Wink



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User currently offlineAkelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2194 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7207 times:



Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 14):
There is currently changes in thinking happening on the AVOD and WiFi programs some for the better, some for the worse.

Care to share?


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4956 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7201 times:
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Quoting Ozair (Reply 8):
Does this mean you have to pay for Delta AVOD? I'm flying SYD to RDU in August and was expecting it free on the 77L but how about on the internal sectors?

The international AVOD-equipped aircraft (such as the 77L) all offer AVOD for free even on the domestic sectors - it's the way the system is set up. The 77L Panasonic system also offers a lot more programming than on the other AVOD-equipped planes - e.g., over 150 movie titles instead of about 20-30 on the other international planes (77E, 763ER, 764ER, 752)

If you get on a domestic plane (73H, 757, 763) with AVOD, then only the "Live" Satellite TV (18 channels), the Trivia game, and the 250+ CDs are free in Economy; all movies, other game bundles, HBO episodes are not.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 12):
noticed that first on JFK-SEA, recently on JFK-SFO and now JFK-LAX, DL is using more the 738 than the 752.
All flights to LAX now shows 738 as equipment

There will be more 757s again (e.g., on JFK-LAX) once summer rolls around (e.g., randomly picking June 18, there will be 5 757s and 2 738s on JFK-LAX); during the lower-demand travel seasons, they do downgauge more to 738s. But JFK-LAX currently usually has at least one 757 a day in each direction; also equipment used also changes depending on day of week for the same flight, all done in order to better match capacity to demand.


User currently offlineCokePopper From United States of America, joined May 2008, 1189 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7192 times:



Quoting SurfandSnow (Reply 15):

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 12):
Where are the 752's ?

Flying from JFK to cities such as FRA, ZRH, and DKR

Those A/C didn't come from the domestic side. Acquisition of AA/TW 75's are used
transoceanic.


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4760 posts, RR: 44
Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7050 times:



Quoting CokePopper (Reply 18):
Those A/C didn't come from the domestic side. Acquisition of AA/TW 75's are used
transoceanic.

Correct, and when the 75E is used domestically, the system is usually activated for free. Only charge is to purchase headphones.

The WiFi is great, have used it a few times recently and the speed is decent enough to warrant the cost for the customer. It is also a good potential source of incremental revenue generation.



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User currently offlineHigherflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6709 times:



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 2):
small (VERY SMALL) handful of 738s

There are 28 738's with the AVOD system (out of 71). It used to be that the simple way to know if you had AVOD installed from the outside was to check for winglets. Now that DL is planning to install winglets on all 738's, you will have to check the ship number (3744 to 3771 will have AVOD installed). All 737-700's have the system installed.


User currently offlineLH417AF025 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 277 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6558 times:

so are the 763 (intl) going to get them?

is there a timeline?


User currently offlineMHTripple7 From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 1108 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6503 times:



Quoting LH417AF025 (Reply 21):
so are the 763 (intl) going to get them?

I've heard that due to the added weight of an AVOD system, they will not be added to the 767-300ER's. IMO, this leaves DL with one of the worst international Y products out there on their 763's. They should at least replace the current seats with new slimline seats that have "winged" headrests to make it easier for sleeping.


User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3596 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6408 times:



Quoting Ozair (Reply 8):
Does this mean you have to pay for Delta AVOD? I'm flying SYD to RDU in August and was expecting it free on the 77L but how about on the internal sectors?

Didn't you pay attention in the other thread! There are no Australians flying DL from SYD because DL has not blanket advertized in OZ, Australia has no Skyteam members, and all Australians would rather fly on Qantas and V Australia, with those remaining looking only for cheap fares and *A miles going to UA.  Wink

Quoting LH417AF025 (Reply 21):
so are the 763 (intl) going to get them?

is there a timeline?



Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 22):
I've heard that due to the added weight of an AVOD system, they will not be added to the 767-300ER's. IMO, this leaves DL with one of the worst international Y products out there on their 763's. They should at least replace the current seats with new slimline seats that have "winged" headrests to make it easier for sleeping.

I think DL is waiting for a WiFi version of IFE that won't require the wiring, weight, and installation costs. I had heard that it was being worked on specifically for the 787 initially, but that there have been problems in development and certification. The 787s will have traditionally wired systems for now.


User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6633 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6336 times:



Quoting MHTripple7 (Reply 22):
I've heard that due to the added weight of an AVOD system, they will not be added to the 767-300ER's. IMO, this leaves DL with one of the worst international Y products out there on their 763's. They should at least replace the current seats with new slimline seats that have "winged" headrests to make it easier for sleeping.

I woudn't say it is one of the worst international Y products. Delta replaced the old CRTs and projectors with brand new LCDs. While not as good as AVOD, it is at least better than the old CRTs/projectors.

I agree the seats can be a little better on most of the 763ERs. However, some of Delta's newest 763ERs (the ones coded "76T") have winged headrests in Y (they are the same seats as on the 764ER fleet).



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25 Pilotboi : Where have you been? Over 30 738s have PTVs with AVOD *and* Live TV. That's almost half the 738 fleet. If that's VERY SMALL to you, you must have hig
26 Evan767 : Or you can just check for the hump on the spine of the aircraft. Delta probably figured it would be a waste of time and money because the main featur
27 Eghansen : Delta's Y product on the 767-300 beats the hell out of American's product on the same aircraft. I flew DL from TXL to JFK and we were fed three times
28 LipeGIG : As mentioned above, the transcon 752 is not used on international flights. I suspect they are being used on ATL busy routes. Thanks Panamair, i belie
29 Coalways : Quoting LH417AF025 (Reply 21): so are the 763 (intl) going to get them? I've heard that due to the added weight of an AVOD system, they will not be ad
30 MHTripple7 : Sorry, I should have made myself clearer. I meant the actual seat itself. Everything not relating to seat is very good IMO.
31 Eghansen : I actually am comfortable in most airline seats because I am 5' 10" and 160# and I read somewhere that the airline seats are designed to fit someone
32 AKelley728 : I heard the same thing - the range of the aircraft would be reduced to the point where they couldn't fly some of the longer routes. Hopefully with th
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