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PIC: 1st 787 Outside In The Sunshine!  
User currently offlineIAD787 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 505 posts, RR: 45
Posted (7 years 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 49149 times:

Hey all,

I just watched ZA001 leave the paint hangar here in Everett. Let me tell you, she looks mighty fine all complete. She rolled to fuel dock F-3 around 1 PM here and she'll be here for a bit before moving to the flight line to start her engines for the first time.




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User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3260 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (7 years 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 49150 times:

Ohhhhh soooooo pretty...

Thanks Jon, seriously, I've really enjoyed your work over the past many months.

I don't care what you think of my opinion. It's my opinion, so have a nice day :)
User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 34066 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (7 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 48586 times:
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They picked a powerfully nice day for it. Weather was atrocious last evening.

User currently offlineSeemyseems From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 998 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (7 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 48609 times:


Thanks so much for the new pictures!

The new 787 looks so good!

User currently offlineBravoGolf From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 541 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 48473 times:

Maybe, just maybe, at the Chicago Air and Water Show the third weekend in August

User currently offlineSeJoWa From United States of America, joined May 2006, 467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 48406 times:

Rise and shine.  spin   optimist   fluffy   cheerful 

User currently offlineJbernie From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 48322 times:

Having done the Boeing Tour in January and seeing a few 787s in the factory I always thought they looked small... but that factory is HUGE.... now seeing these pics... it is the plane that looks HUGE.

Great to see it getting ever closer to flying.

User currently offlineNibog From Ireland, joined Apr 2009, 329 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 48283 times:

 Cool  Cool

Thanks for those wonderful photos IAD 787,just love the wing design !!!

User currently offline787seattle From United States of America, joined Feb 2008, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 48281 times:

I'm about to be headed up to PAE for a look. If I manage to get some pics, I'll try to post them here.

Student - KELN
User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17794 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (7 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 48214 times:

Looks fantastic! Cant wait till this bird takes into the skies!

Work Hard, Fly Right
User currently offlineJetmatt777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3242 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (7 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 48215 times:

Looks great! Can't wait to see it airborne!

Lighten up while you still can, don't even try to understand, just find a place to make your stand and take it easy
User currently offlineDingDong From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 661 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 48145 times:

Nice photos. What is Boeing likely going to be doing with ZA001 - ZA006? Not delivering them to airlines according to current plans, but seems a little expensive to just simply keep them around as flight test articles post-B787 EIS.

Even with a shorter range (6300+ nm in a 245 pax 2 class config as Airbus has suggested will be the actual range for the first deliveries), shouldn't it still be possible to sell these early six frames at a generous discount to airlines seeking a good deal and who doesn't need the promised range -- so Boeing can recoup some of the manufacturing costs?

DingDong, honey, please answer the doorbell!
User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 6367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 12, posted (7 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 48002 times:

Nice to see it in the sun. Seeing it makes is seem a bit more real.

By the way, which Quadimodo is playing chicken with 001 in pic 3?

What the...?
User currently offlineWNCrew From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 1549 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (7 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 48007 times:

BEAUTIFUL! The nose reminds me of the Comet which I also love!

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User currently offlineSInGAPORE_AIR From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13756 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (7 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 47911 times:

Very nice and shiny.

Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlinePolymerPlane From United States of America, joined May 2006, 991 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (7 years 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 47712 times:

On the second and third picture, almost right behind the engine pylons there are some sort of drooping parts of the trailing edge. are those ailerons? Pretty odd locations, at least for boeings considering that the inboard ailerons on the 777 is pretty close to the fuselage.


One day there will be 100% polymer plane
User currently offlineAdam42185 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 47587 times:

Quoting BravoGolf (Reply 4):
Maybe, just maybe, at the Chicago Air and Water Show the third weekend in August

If the 787 did a fly by at the air and water show I will probably pee my pants! (In a good way)  blush 

User currently offlineZippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5751 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (7 years 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 47585 times:

Fantastic! Thank You

I'm Zippyjet & I approve of this message!
User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2202 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (7 years 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 47314 times:

Quoting IAD787 (Thread starter):

Thanks for posting IAD 787!! She is so pretty!

BWIA 772

Eagles Soar!
User currently offlineElBandGeek From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 778 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 46963 times:

Quoting BravoGolf (Reply 4):
Maybe, just maybe, at the Chicago Air and Water Show the third weekend in August


I could not describe the happiness I would feel if that happened.

User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5923 posts, RR: 46
Reply 20, posted (7 years 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 47019 times:

Here are the pics released by BoeingHere are the pics released by Boeing:

Big version: Width: 1024 Height: 682 File size: 157kb
Big version: Width: 1024 Height: 682 File size: 135kb
Big version: Width: 1024 Height: 687 File size: 304kb

That which does not kill me makes me stronger.
User currently offlineOkie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3809 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (7 years 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 46694 times:

With zero fuel, I was taken by the amount of dihedral in the wings.
Had to get out the straight edge and put it to the monitor. The dihedral appears more pronounced than it really is but it makes you wonder how much flex is in that wing.


User currently offlineDaleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3213 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (7 years 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 46643 times:

So is this the aircraft which is going to perform the first flight? My enthusiasm for this aircraft is now non-existant due to the amount of time they've taken getting it ready.

Religion is an illusion of childhood... Outgrown under proper education.
User currently offlineLASoctoberB6 From Japan, joined Nov 2006, 2380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 46517 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 21):

They should have turned down the exposure for the first two pictures. However, it's still very, VERY nice..

User currently offline777den From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 46417 times:

yes this is the plane scheduled and instrumented for the first flight

25 787seattle : Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get the greatest shots. Who was in the hotel parking lot next to the Future of Flight Museum at around 3:30/3:40?
26 Acheron : Hopefully this time it isn't real size mockup. In a more serious note, it looks gorgeous and can't wait to fly in one. Hopefully there won't be any mo
27 Legacytravel : Always one person at the party who has to be pee on the fire. This is a great time all aviation lovers. First the Whale Jet and now this 787 is getti
28 Seabosdca : I find it baffling that someone who cares about aviation would stop caring about an aircraft that showcases several major breakthroughs (for airliner
29 NYC777 : Can't imagine what your reaction was to all the A380 delays?
30 AznMadSci : Two different thoughts came out of my (warped) mind: Thought #1 - Daddy DreamLifter and baby DreamLiner Thought #2 - DreamLifter to DreamLiner: "Luke,
31 MIASkies : Fierce. Looks freaking awesome, so sleek and sexy...can't wait to fly this baby in the coming years! I too agree, good things ARE WORTH THE WAIT!
32 N623JB : The plane looks great!
33 WingedMigrator : Mommy Dreamlifter. I had the same thought. Nice rollout!
34 Post contains links IAD787 : Now some good video: http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...ideo-za001-rolls-out-to-the-f.html Onward, IAD787
35 Caryjack : I understand that this is the point in time when completed ariliners are offically weighed - after paint and before first fuel. Given that she's a fi
36 Flybyguy : Looks like 1st flight is on the horizon. I wonder what she'll sound like when she finally powers up?
37 HNL-Jack : Looks like the rear cabin has a slight incline, much like the Airbus 300 series aircraft, if the windows are any indication. Hadn't realized that befo
38 Ikramerica : It's used for internal baselining of data collection. Considering it includes flight test equipment but not interior fittings, it's not meaningful to
39 787seattle : According to the "Flightblogger" that posted the vids on Flightglobal, ZA002 is going to the paint hangar.
40 MSPNWA : Looks nice. The dihedral in the wings is prominent. I'm with you. To be honest I really don't care about the 787 at this time. Boeing's dropped the ba
41 YYCowboy : Awsome aircraft. When is first flight scheduled?
42 B595 : If the propulsion/airframe engineers did their job, you should barely hear her
43 PlaneInsomniac : One smart plane, no doubt about it. Is this some sort of a plastic cover in front of the right hand engine?
44 OyKIE : This is good news for us aviation enthusiasts I cannot wait for here to fly! I hope more good news are on the horizon for Boeing this year. Anyone dar
45 Pellegrine : It looks really good! Yeah, this is about the same as rollout really... Which was a while ago... First flight will bring out my enthusiasm.
46 BlueSky1976 : I'm glad to finally see the complete airplane ready to take herself to the skies. Like everyone else here, I cannot wait for the first flight.
47 Moriarty : There's no way around it, it's one beautiful plane and I'll love to see it airborne - delays or not. But yes, my enthusiasm is somewhat damped as well
48 Ikramerica : It looks like they left the paint hangar tarp in place on the engine for now. Maybe just to keep the engines clean before first runup?
49 DingDong : Boeing said a while ago: 'by the end of the third quarter' -- which makes it 'no later than June 30'. However, Boeing said a few days ago that first
50 Ikramerica : 3 days is not possible. 10 days is not possible.
51 DingDong : Ah, looks like the AP misreported it a few days ago; what's new there? A more accurate answer from Boeing via the Flightblogger site: So I sit correc
52 LHRlocal : Great news! She sure is sexy, i love the look of the wings, so thin and sleek, this is what being a aviation enthusiast is all about, these important
53 Ferengi80 : What a fantastic looking aircraft! I am really looking forward to seeing this beauty in the skies! Thank you so much for the pictures, IAD787, you've
54 757GB : I can understand that, however if you have suffered through the delays like many of us have, this IS A GREAT MOMENT. She looks stunning. Thanks again
55 Daleaholic : All that's happened is it's moved out of the hangar... I didn't say I stopped caring, I said my enthusiasm for the aircraft has gone. The A380 was a
56 Shankly : That bare metal APU tail pipe is a very, very nice detail. What a super looking aeroplane. Well done Boeing
57 DingDong : In other news, startling revelations that football is actually a game where you just simply kick a small ball around a bunch of times until it crosse
58 PITIngres : Yes, but fortunately I outgrew that. Probably you will, too.
59 777DAD : Awwwwsome! She really looks hot.
60 SurfandSnow : Can't wait to see this aircraft enter regular service and prompt a wave of expansion by several prominent global airlines!
61 Osiris30 : Let me get this right.. A traditional materials (mostly) aircraft, that's moderately larger than a jumbo jet and is unique only because it's two full
62 Post contains links and images MCIGuy : Jon is reporting that ZA002 is off to the paint shop (with pics).   [Edited 2009-05-04 06:09:21]
63 NAV20 : Many thanks, IAD787........ I was brought up in Hertfordshire, England - quite close to the De Havilland factory, where my own uncle and several neigh
64 Frigatebird : That should mean that ZA002's first flight isn't that far away either, right? Maybe within 1 or 2 weeks after ZA001?
65 Post contains images MCIGuy : Yeah, I just love when plan(e) comes together!   [Edited 2009-05-04 06:45:57]
66 Works4boeing : I've been looking at this thing in factory for two years. Drove past it when I came in the gate this morning and had the exact same reaction. "Dang,
67 RichM : Looks really nice! When I heard that boeing had scrapped one of the earlier tail designs and cockpit designs, I thought it was just gonna look like yo
68 MCIGuy : I think I heard that ANA will use their livery but the Dreamliner "787" tail design on their early 787s.
69 SEPilot : I find your attitude curious. The A380 was nowhere near the breakthrough that the 787 is; it is likely to be the last large airliner built primarily
70 United787 : Considering I live about 4 blocks from the center of the show, this would be an amazing birthday present for me! It will have had at least 45 days of
71 SeaBosDca : Does anyone have the final nacelle diameter for the Trents? They look *huge*. I'm wondering if the nacelle-to-fuselage diameter ratio is higher for th
72 Trigged : Well, since this is my first post (from a long time lurker) I will say that it looks beautiful! I am keeping my fingers crossed. I can't wait to see i
73 NAV20 : Couldn't agree more, SEpilot. Not all THAT long ago (considering that I'm an old man nowadays) I recall seasoned airline pilots (members of my own gl
74 NYC777 : It'll fly about three weeks after Dreamliner 1. Dreamliner 4 will be up after 2 followed by 3 then 5 and 6.
75 Hawkercamm : It seems somewhat unfair to compate A380 & A350 with B777 & B787. I think a better comparison would be B777 & B787 versus A330 & A350 (not worth addi
76 NAV20 : Speaking as a fellow 'Hawker Hurricane/Sidney Camm' fan, Hawkercamm - why? Surely those are the main civil aviation competitors for the next ten year
77 Tdscanuck : Flaperons, technically, but yes those are the inboard ailerons. Tom.
78 Starrion : How far from completion are 003,4, and 5? Will the flight line be crowded before first flight?
79 757GB : Loved it This is just my opinion of course, but unless you hate Boeing's guts it's hard not to be excited about it. And if you ask me my excitement i
80 Rampart : I could be wrong, but it looks to me that the streamline "pinstripe" paintjob actually slopes down at the back of the aircraft, not parallel to the t
81 Post contains links Autothrust : Not again this, please. Always the same (phatetic)phrase: Just because its big it doesn't make it advanced. Why always some glory the 787 as the most
82 FrmrCAPCADET : After all the problems with the high tech fasteners After all the pain with full assembley of pieces all around the world and under performing supplie
83 Par13del : You don't include the B-767, why not, if memory serves, the A330 was built in response to the B-767, not the B-777 which could be argued was a respon
84 Hawkercamm : I think the A330/A350 pair best compare with the B787/B777 and both the A330 and B777 will over time lose out to the newer competing models. The A380
85 Manu : And appropriately today is May the 4th (Be with you!). The 787 really does hold a beauty that the A380 doesn't It looks like it should fly where as t
86 Ikramerica : What does the 787 being in the sunshine have to do with the A380 exactly?
87 Hawkercamm : I stand corrected. Your quite right. A330/A340/A350 compete with B767/B787/B777 in the mid-sized category. A340 and B767 are fairly equal in terms of
88 Hawkercamm : Farnborough 2010?
89 757GB : Good one! I was about to ask the same thing. Threads have a way of going off tangents... You go back to read to see if there is anything new on the 7
90 Nitepilot79 : It is love at "first" sight until I see her nose
91 Vegas005 : That is one beautiful 767 ...
92 Stitch : I think her nose is one of her best features.
93 SeaBosDca : Anyone who says the 787 and 767 look alike isn't looking at the 787's beautiful, long, thin wings. Aesthetically, the difference between the 787 and
94 Jbernie : I was noticing what HNL-Jack said as well, but I was thinking more that the actual plane sits lower/squats at the rear as opposed to the window line
95 Ikramerica : Well to me, with the thicker fuselage and the longer wings it does have the proportions of a 767-200. But with more graceful wings and a more 757 nos
96 SunriseValley : This one is for Jon...in all recent threads on the 787 there has been some reference or another and speculation to an alleged overweight . Is there an
97 Max Q : Looks good, will look better when it's stretched.
98 Nitepilot79 : The body, engines, airfoils, and vert-stab are pretty classy. I contend that the aircraft has a cinema-space-farce-like look when it comes to the cock
99 JoeCanuck : I like the nose...I think it's a great shape.
100 IAD787 : There's been no definitive number published anywhere, though Boeing has admitted the airplane is going through a weight reduction for the production
101 MCIGuy : Thanks for all your hard work, Jon. You've been a mainstay in my tracking of the 787 program's progress.
102 DingDong : Seconded and thirded. It's pretty cool to see the live birth of a new airplane, no matter the manufacturer. Thanks, Jon!
103 Tugger : No. No! That's not true. That's impossible! Oh, wait, you're right, it is the 4th.... Tugg
104 SEPilot : Every new airliner introduces new features and most of them can be called advances; few of them change the fundamental way future airliners are built
105 Astuteman : Thanks for the update Jon. Nice to see things starting to come together. Just don't go there Or there I'd suggest you don't go there either.. The A35
106 Osiris30 : Sorry Astute, but I find the 787 and 350 far more revolutionary than evolutionary. Anyway you slice it the 787 is a radical departure on many fronts.
107 SEPilot : Do you really think that after the reception that Airbus got for the original A350 that either Boeing or Airbus will launch another all-new aluminum
108 Ben175 : That is one AMAZING looking plane!
109 NAV20 : Couldn't agree more! Except that, to my mind, there are two features of the 787 (and no doubt the A350 in due course) that could only have been achie
110 Astuteman : Don't disagree. But I find it frustrating that we measure the technology steps being taken on a very small proportion of the engineering that goes in
111 Ikramerica : And fourthed. Without Jon, we wouldn't know much! We'd have to assume all the rumors to be true...
112 SEPilot : The difference is that what goes inside the aircraft is often technology common with other endeavors; the airframe and engine are pretty much exclusi
113 WingedMigrator : That's not very charitable. You'll find about 35,000 kg of CFRP in the 787, and about 35,000 kg in the A380.
114 Mgmacius : LOL! But when you compare empty weight of both, you'll see where the difference is, right? It's like selling rabbit-beef sausage in 1:1 proportion. 1
115 Toulouse : Searched to whole thread to see if anyone else felt the same. I agree. She's a beautiful bird... welcome 787! Love the look of the whole aircraft, bu
116 Post contains links 787seattle : Look what I found! It's amazing how close reporters can get to brand new aircraft. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/fla...clid=21520189001&bctid=21758
117 STT757 : Very cool, thanks for posting those links.
118 Post contains images B595 : Some nice perspectives in the first link, especially that wingtip close-up. Only bad thing was the reporter getting his grimy fingerprints all over t
119 IAD787 : Hey, this reporter's grimy finger prints are on that beautiful machine too! I'll admit to very intentionally leaving a discreet thumb print on the co
120 NAV20 : We'll know who to blame if the next headline we read is "Dreamliner One Back In The Paintshop," then, Jon! Good for Dominic Gates though - showing us
121 Ikramerica : And that's despite all the reworking done that reportedly made it less smooth than the later birds will be. I imagine that with thousands of pounds o
122 Tdscanuck : It will be...the fuel just slows the vibration down, it doesn't stiffen the wing at all. It'll be just as easy to move, just a lower natural frequenc
123 LASOctoberB6 : Ohhh maahhh gaawwdd! I'm super excited for this! As is everyone else, but still.. The multimedia is great! If someone could get a great picture of the
124 Babybus : If this ever gets to fly over my house one day, what will be the unique features I will need to look for to distinguish it from a 767 or 777? At the m
125 757GB : WOW!!! That makes 2 of us (at least)!
126 Nomadd22 : So, they won't need fuel gauges? The pilots will be able to tell how much they have by listening to the wings sing?
127 MadameConcorde : She is a very pretty aircraft with a very nice line! Any chance of a surprise appearance next month at the Paris Air Show? Any idea of a date for the
128 Jbernie : Look up & smile widely. If you see nothing it is a 767 or 777 if you see yourself in the reflection it is a 787
129 Stitch : The wingtip extensions should give it away. They look almost like scythes.
130 NYC777 : Well in about a wekk y'all be able to see what a 787 looks like in customer paint. Dreamliner 2 should be out in about a week or so and will head back
131 Stitch : Who's getting her? Did NH change their mind and decide to take it and ZA001?
132 Tdscanuck : The planform is extremely distinctive. The wings are noticeably longer and thinner (proportionately) than a 767 or 777, and the trailing edge is a mu
133 Ikramerica : But it increases the mass greatly and makes it "droop" so that the required force needed to make it oscillate over the same distance is much greater.
134 Tdscanuck : Nope, it just moves the neutral point and lowers the frequency of oscillation. The extra mass doesn't stiffen the wing at all. If it takes 5 pounds t
135 Post contains links VirginFlyer : Obviously it can be changed, but at the moment, the rudders for ZA003, ZA004 and ZA005 have their rudders painted in NW, NW and RAM colours respectiv
136 Post contains links Nomadd22 : Leeham news http://leehamnews.wordpress.com/2009...06/moving-toward-787-first-flight/ reports that none of the first six will go to airlines, and all
137 MadameConcorde : What is this all about? NH will not get their deliveries with the first aircrafts? What are BBJs? I want to be on board that first NH 787 flight badl
138 SEPilot : BBJ stands for Boeing Business Jet. It makes sense; since performance on these first six planes will be significantly worse (how much, we don't know
139 MadameConcorde : So if the first 6 are sold as BBJs we will not see the actual NH aircraft flying its first commercial trip for maybe another two years? That will come
140 Dvincent : NH will simply get LN 7 first, which was what was supposed to happen all along. The first six aircraft would have to be refurbished after flight testi
141 Spacepope : Getting closer to first flight.... GE's 747 was at COS yesterday morning when I drove by, looks like they're putting the engine through more high alti
142 Nomadd22 : The first six aircraft are the test aircraft and won't be the first ones delivered. 007 (Or ZA100 in Boeing confusing new numbering scheme) will be t
143 MadameConcorde : Is the first test flying machine going to be equipped with GE engines? Any chance we might see them at the Paris Air Show?
144 NYC777 : Still unknown but I'm hearing they might go to BBJ customers.
145 WINGS : NO. Le Bourget will held between 15 - 21 June. Boeing will be lucky if they have the 787-8 flying by then, let alone crossing the pond for simple pub
146 Osiris30 : Never say never... highly highly highly unlikely, but not impossible.
147 Stitch : She'll have RR Trent power. As will the second, third, and fourth birds. The fifth and sixth will carry GEnx power.
148 Boeing4ever : First flying aircraft, ZA001, has RR engines. I think the first GE bird is ZA005 or ZA006, I could be mistaken. B4e-Forever New Frontiers
149 Post contains links LY4XELD : I'm pretty sure that's the GEnx-2B engine, which will power the 747-8, not the 787. Edit: Yes, now I'm sure it's the -2B http://www.deagel.com/news/G
150 Pnwtraveler : Boeing will shop these to airlines first. But a relative who works for Boeing said that the first six could be discounted, sold as private aircraft,
151 Stitch : With that one cancellation, there remain five 787VIP customers on the books and even an overweight 787VIP is still a 787 which would be worth some br
152 Post contains links Legoguy : Sorry if this has already been asked, it's hard keeping track in the long 787 threads; There is a 787 fuselage painted white in the hangers, does anyb
153 Ikramerica : The 787-8 GEnx is already certified for testing on the 787 and being installed on #5 very soon. The 748 GEnx is the next to be certified, and then wi
154 Sunking737 : Delta / Northwest has several on the line. But IIRC they may push them back as far as delivery dates. Or not take them at all.
155 Stitch : According to formal statements released by DL' Corporate Communications department, at this time they have decided to not take delivery of ZA003, ZA0
156 Post contains links Legoguy : Ok, thanks. Didn't quite help with identifying the white fuselage though. After further looking I guess it must be the fatigue airframe. http://www.f
157 Post contains images Lumberton : I read some blog comments concerning a "nice, little plane". Take a look at this photo. The 787 is in the background and the 777-200LR is in the foreg
158 MCIGuy : Yeah, I've come to the conclusion that the bigger windows and gigantic windshield make it look smaller without a point of reference nearby. The A350
159 Post contains links Lumberton : My apologies for not including the link to the photo in my previous post. Here it is, from one of Guy Norris' updates on the 787 program. http://www.a
160 Post contains links and images DEVILFISH : With Rollers, it'd be easy enough to change the registration to ZE___ to replace this..... View Large View MediumPhoto © Wim Callaert The hard p
161 Ikramerica : I have a distinct feeling than #1 is staying with Boeing for the long term. May be the truest definition of a "Boeing" business jet, in that it never
162 Stitch : I also think Boeing and the 787 program could benefit from keeping that plane in-house to continue to refine and improve the design and perform addit
163 LY4XELD : I don't understand the logic behind this comment. WA001 (777-200 #1) is in service with CX and was a flight test airplane. How many people in the pub
164 Ikramerica : I mean the company who buys it. 777 #1 is not the same as 787 #1. So much has been done to 787 #1 it may be a maintenance nightmare on it's own, but
165 MCIGuy : Am I the only one who thinks it looks like first flight might come before June? 001 has fuel and is about to fire up here Trents and then do the eight
166 Catdaddy63 : I agree that it would be a smart move for Boeing to keep ZA001. As the 787 evolves over the next 10 years, it would make a great testbed for evaluatin
167 757GB : Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the intermediate gauntlet still needs to be done. Regards, GB
168 Tdscanuck : It would certainly be nice to have an in-house airplane to play with, but they did manage to design the entire thing without a copy to play with, and
169 Brons2 : Looks like from Guy Norris pic that ZA002 is sitting next to ZA001 at the fuel depot, but not painted. When will it get paint?
170 Brons2 : Never mind, that is a 777 sitting next to it in the foreground. Or at least, it's not a 787.
171 NAV20 : Maybe not until early June, MCIGuy - but if I was Boeing, I'd be going flat out to get it flying before (or even DURING) the Paris Air Show on June 1
172 Starrion : That would be great for the air show attendees, but if I were a customer and saw the only flying test aircraft sitting on the tarmac for a week for P
173 NAV20 : Misunderstanding, Starrion. There's no possibility of actually getting it there. But just the fact of it flying - and the TV coverage - would dominat
174 JoeCanuck : I suspect Boeing is probably a bit gun shy about needless spectacle. Getting the thing in the air and collecting data is all the air show they need.
175 Post contains links Caryjack : Maybe I'm just a tail guy but when you consider this photo... http://www.airliners.net/photo/Boein...d=c1e25455745693b0c42bcc89b48b4b45 Why is it tha
176 Post contains links NAV20 : Much preferable, though, for the Boeing people to spend their time in Paris being asked, "How did it go?" rather than, 'When on Earth is it finally g
177 SeaBosDca : I don't know the reason, but Airbus adopted the sinking empennage top for the A380 and A350, while the 747's empennage continues straight back like t
178 Nomadd22 : Delany's comment about hoping the 787 gets struck by lightning made me wonder if part of the flight test program was looking for thunderstorms to fly
179 Rheinbote : Straight top -> higher upsweep angle of the tail -> more tail clearance during takeoff rotation -> higher AoA -> more lift/steeper climbout -> less t
180 Post contains links and images VirginFlyer : That's not strictly correct. I had a look at the production lists at Airlinerlist.com, and come up with the following: 727 #2 remained with Boeing fo
181 ZANL188 : ZA006 has the pax doors that ZA001 rolled out with in July 07, so those doors are still in the company colors though now installed on ZA006. The door
182 AK : Where will it undergo warm weather testing? Maybe down here at IWA like the 777? Please please please!
183 Ikramerica : Also, the computer aided anti-strike protection allows for safe rolls with the tail closer to the runway. Actually, I think the door design was modif
184 Saab2000 : You'd be surprised. When I worked in ground handling in ZRH I would occasionally grab the wingtip of a TU-154 and watch it vibrate. They are nearly a
185 Ikramerica : True, but they have to lease models back from airlines to run these tests. Keeping 1 frame (less than .1% of the estimated total built over the lifes
186 Jbernie : Maybe add to that... given that the 787 is so very different materials wise it might also be beneficial to have 001 hang around, they could probably
187 MCIGuy : ZA001 has spooled up it's APU. Jon says pics to follow.
188 Post contains links LHRlocal : ZA001, first engine start scheduled for Thursday/Friday this week. See link: http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/flightblogger/
189 Dynamicsguy : I hadn't seen this thread before. Too busy working on some of the stuff for first flight from our end. They're the flaperons. They are in the same pla
190 Iahflyer : On the first flight fly it to Airbus HDQ's in France, and call it a day.
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