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New Zealand Aviation #55 - May Edition  
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13552 times:
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Welcome to the 55th edition of New Zealand's thread. In Edition 54 http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4390049/ we learnt and discussed:

- International ops at HLZ ending
- ZEALs strike which starts on May 7th
- NZs ops to the West Coast of the South Island
- Should Mt Cook paint one of its ATRs in a retro livery?
- AVSEC screening for turbo-prop aircraft pax
- AVSEC screening at AKL, WLG and CHC
- NZs new livery
- Swine flu grounds the crew that operated NZ1 on Saturday 25th
- Update on ZK-NBS (NZs retired B744) - Will be scrapped overseas
- PPQ gains CAA certification for 30 pax per flight, will get certification for 50 pax per flight in time for Q300 ops next year
- Discussed cabin lighting dimming procedures (thanks Aerokiwi for the summary wording)
- AKLs new gates and DJs use of them
- WLGs new 2030 draft plan
- NZs B733 replacement
- Ideal location for a new Wellington airport

Thats is the 54th summary, so lets get 55 under way

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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 13560 times:
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Fyfe memo reveals Air NZ revamp and jazz-up plans - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...ls-Air-NZ-revamp-and-jazz-up-plans

User currently offline767er From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1092 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 13519 times:

Are the FA uniforms that unpopular that NZ are looking at replacing them already?. I know it’s not the most stylish of uniforms but it’s not that bad. Is it a functionality issue or is just simply that staff and customers hate it.

Since they introduced some enhancements to the female Uniforms , I actually quite like it. The male uniforms are just way too casual and those shirts really shows up stains, etc



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 13509 times:
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Quoting 767er (Reply 2):

Complaints have been received from staff as the new uniforms really don't suit some staff as the uniform looks tight on some and really highlights their build. There is a good picture in todays Dominion Post that really highlights what some staff look like in the uniforms. I wish NZ would bring back the old uniform.


User currently offline767er From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1092 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 13488 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 3):
I wish NZ would bring back the old uniform.

777ER

I am afraid I will have to disagree with you on that. The previous uniform was fine when it was first introduced but it got very dated towards the end. I think it was TG992 who said it made the FA’s look like 1980s game show hosts. The blazers that the males FA’s worse looked so cheap and uncomfortable.

BTW… I have never ever seen a female wear the Thunderbirds style hat with the new uniform.



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25008 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 13488 times:
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Quoting 777ER (Reply 3):
I wish NZ would bring back the old uniform.

I agree, and I agree with the complaints.

For any woman with an even slightly fuller figure, I think the uniforms are unflattering and look impractical. I'm surprised that a woman designed them.

mariner.



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User currently offlineFlyjetstar From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 951 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 13475 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 3):
I wish NZ would bring back the old uniform.

You can't be serious!

Re the new uniform, I found when I wore the shirt I looked washed out and yes some of the staff who have fuller figures didn't look that good. Good move on the part of the airline to change it.


User currently offlineTG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 13470 times:



Quoting 767er (Reply 2):
Are the FA uniforms that unpopular that NZ are looking at replacing them already?. I know it’s not the most stylish of uniforms but it’s not that bad. Is it a functionality issue or is just simply that staff and customers hate it.

Since they introduced some enhancements to the female Uniforms , I actually quite like it. The male uniforms are just way too casual and those shirts really shows up stains, etc



Quoting 777ER (Reply 3):
Complaints have been received from staff as the new uniforms really don't suit some staff as the uniform looks tight on some and really highlights their build. There is a good picture in todays Dominion Post that really highlights what some staff look like in the uniforms. I wish NZ would bring back the old uniform.

It's not that the new uniforms are being replaced because they're unpopular, but Fyfe's whole game plan as CEO involves never again returning to the days when NZ was run into the ground, product wise. For a small airline in an age of global consolidation, we need to stay at the cutting edge of product to ensure a continued customer base.

As someone involved at the outer edges of the new product for the 773s, I can say that they WILL be game changing in all classes. The biggest change in terms of impact will be in Economy Class and the impact will be even more enhanced with new cutting edge uniforms.

The new uniform is part of the desire to stay current - it costs less than you think considering that replacement items for ANY uniform must be issued each year due to wear and tear - the development and design costs are also less than commonly thought, due to the fact that it is a great platform for NZ designers to showcase their talents.

My personal thoughts on the current uniform? It could be more colourful, but it's comfortable and modern - I have little time for people who require gold buttons, stripes, and 'dangly bits' to feel important - as airline staff we are supposed to be people's friends, not authority figures. Remember Air NZ's desire that our guests are looked after 'as if they are good friends at our backyard barbeque'? The uniform fits that desire well. Formal uniforms are gradually going the way of the cravat and frock coat - perhaps Air NZ is ahead of their time in this regard. I don't agree that large people look any worse than they did in the old uniform - in fact, the boxy green jacket made them stick out even more.



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25008 posts, RR: 85
Reply 8, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 13461 times:
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Quoting TG992 (Reply 7):
Formal uniforms are gradually going the way of the cravat and frock coat - perhaps Air NZ is ahead of their time in this regard.

I don't think you need to be "formal" - with gold braid and dangly bits - to be stylish. Often, the most stylish is the most simple.

Quoting TG992 (Reply 7):
My personal thoughts on the current uniform? It could be more colourful, but it's comfortable and modern

My immediate reaction to it - when I first saw it - was that it was retro. One of the female variants made me think of WW2 nurses.

But each to their own - always.

mariner



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 13429 times:
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Quoting 767er (Reply 4):

IMHO the old uniform is like AA's livery, which still looks classy, but if it was going to come back then all the uniform needs is a lill touch up to make it more stylish again if many people believe its old fashined.


User currently offlineNzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1521 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 13361 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 9):
IMHO the old uniform is like AA's livery, which still looks classy, but if it was going to come back then all the uniform needs is a lill touch up to make it more stylish again if many people believe its old fashined.

For me the old uniform was the worst fitting uniform i have ever worn and i hated it .. Loved the teal colour but that was it ..



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User currently onlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 7133 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 13309 times:



Quoting Mariner (Reply 5):
For any woman with an even slightly fuller figure, I think the uniforms are unflattering and look impractical. I'm surprised that a woman designed them.

Especially when you find out that the woman who did is also rather chubby.


User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3139 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 13113 times:



Quoting 767er (Reply 2):
Are the FA uniforms that unpopular that NZ are looking at replacing them already?. I know it’s not the most stylish of uniforms but it’s not that bad.

Au contraire, it's not that they're unstylish (forgive this term, it doesn't actually mean anything), quite the opposite, the uniforms are very fashionable, a la mode etc. However our average Kiwis cannot get away with them, many of us just don't have the physiques and aplomb to pull it of and well, look terrible in them.

Quoting Mariner (Reply 5):
For any woman with an even slightly fuller figure, I think the uniforms are unflattering and look impractical. I'm surprised that a woman designed them.

Ever walked into Zambesi? If you had, you'd see the women that look good in Liz Findlay's clothing. BTW, Rob Fyfe's wife looks very fetching in Zambesi too.

Regards
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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4805 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 13077 times:



Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 12):

Quoting 767er (Reply 2):
Are the FA uniforms that unpopular that NZ are looking at replacing them already?. I know it’s not the most stylish of uniforms but it’s not that bad.

Au contraire, it's not that they're unstylish (forgive this term, it doesn't actually mean anything), quite the opposite, the uniforms are very fashionable, a la mode etc. However our average Kiwis cannot get away with them, many of us just don't have the physiques and aplomb to pull it of and well, look terrible in them.

very fashionable? Just because you stick a Zambesi label on it doesn't make it fashionable. Zambesi does come up with some excellent designs that are very fashionable and win awards and are well received. They also make some shockers... this uniform isn't their worst but pretty close.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 13023 times:
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Airfares in a dive - http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/2383953/Airfares-in-a-dive

Vincent Aviation Entering flying doctor market - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/2383901/Entering-flying-doctor-market


User currently offlineCchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 13018 times:



Quoting 777ER (Reply 14):
Airfares in a dive

It would be better news if it was "Airport taxes and surcharges in a dive". When taxes cost more than the airfare, I think that sucks.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25008 posts, RR: 85
Reply 16, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 13000 times:
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Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 12):
Ever walked into Zambesi? If you had, you'd see the women that look good in Liz Findlay's clothing. BTW, Rob Fyfe's wife looks very fetching in Zambesi too.

It's a long way from airlines, seriously off-topic, but yes, I've been several times. Her designs aren't to my taste - different isn't necessarily modern - but I think her clothes suit thinner women quite well. And most of the models for her collections are matchstick thin.

But what the well-to-do wear for lolling around is a long way from a working uniform.

I admire, enormously, what Ms. Findley has achieved, but in the case of Air NZ, I think she blew it.

It happens. You deal with it and move on.

mariner



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User currently offlineAerohottie From Australia, joined Mar 2004, 797 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 12947 times:



Quoting Cchan (Reply 15):
It would be better news if it was "Airport taxes and surcharges in a dive". When taxes cost more than the airfare, I think that sucks.

Completely agree



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User currently offlineNz2 From New Zealand, joined Aug 2007, 213 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 12870 times:

Hi all,

I have just booked some flights to the US for later this year and am just wondering about seat selection. Currently we are on 744's both ways, normally we like to reserve one of the block of 2 down the back but for a longer flight I am thinking exit rows. I know they have fixed arm rests and all that but of the exit rows, which would be better. The one behind the bulkhead, the one by the loo's or the one further back by the galley?

Any thoughts on this? Ideally we will try and buy an extra seat at check in so we have a block of 3 for the 2 of us.

Cheers!

PS With luck we will be accepted for an upgrade  Smile


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5171 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 12862 times:



Quoting Nz2 (Reply 18):
Any thoughts on this? Ideally we will try and buy an extra seat at check in so we have a block of 3 for the 2 of us

I would book a normal (non exit) seat.

Perhaps try getting allocated the A and C seats. Chances are B will stay free. Worst that happens is the B seat moves to A or C.

Given the planes are not full flying to the states (and I cant see that changing for a while) then I think chances are good you will have that seat free - plus the arm rests could move up.


User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4805 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12732 times:



Quoting Nz2 (Reply 18):
I know they have fixed arm rests and all that but of the exit rows, which would be better. The one behind the bulkhead, the one by the loo's or the one further back by the galley?

Any thoughts on this? Ideally we will try and buy an extra seat at check in so we have a block of 3 for the 2 of us.

ANstar makes a good point. With flights not being full you might be better off with ordinary seats. Chances are that someone else will want an exit seat... they are just about always taken.

So far as exit seats go, the bulkhead ones have less legroom as obviously there is the bulkhead there... if you are less that 6'0 tall then they are perfectly fine. The only problem is that you may have a baby nearby... I personally try to stay away from babies as the crying and parents fussing over them can be annoying (not wrong just annoying).
The exit seats near the galley are probably nicer for the most part as no toilet smells however there is galley noise and lights from the galley.



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User currently offlineVirginFlyer From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 4537 posts, RR: 41
Reply 21, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 12682 times:

Interesting times ahead at the Link trio?

Quote:
Air Nelson general manager John Hambleton is to become Air New Zealand's troubleshooter for its three regional airlines, reviewing their operations.

He denied it was a hatchet man role, saying he was a business builder instead.

Mr Hambleton, who has headed Air Nelson for eight years, will take on the role of project director-regional review, from July 1.

He will lead a small team to recommend and implement changes across the three regional airlines Air Nelson, Eagle Air and Mount Cook, which together cover 28 routes.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/n...s/2385725/New-role-for-airway-boss

V/F



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 22, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 12682 times:
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Quoting Nz2 (Reply 18):

If you really like other passengers hanging around the exit door seats doing their in-flight stretches (which after a while can get really annoying watching them, even if your seated 2-3 rows behind the exit row and frequently getting bumped or walked into) then the exit row on the B772 and B744 are perfect. I was seated in the bulk head row (in Y+) on my trip to the USA last year on the B744 and the fact that no one was reclining into your space was really ncie, but it did get boring with only having a white wall to look at if not watching the TV (it would also be the same for Y pax). Some bulk head seats don't have windows also. I would simply go for a normal seat (try www.seatguru.com) and try and book the best seats based on the maps at seatguru. I've used Seatguru for many of my NZ, UA and US flights and its never let me down.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 12672 times:
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Qantas passengers put in isolation - http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/2386...Qantas-passengers-put-in-isolation

New role for airway boss - http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/n...s/2385725/New-role-for-airway-boss


User currently offlineDj738 From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 410 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (5 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 12582 times:

Look out for VirginBlue's latest Embraer E-190, painted in PacificBlue livery, as it flies around New Zealand on a promotional tour over the next few days.

It is enroute for delivery to VirginBlue and is named Emma-Braer.


25 QF175 : Virgin Blue's latest E90 aircraft,VH-ZPM (featuring Pacific Blue colours) touched down in CHC around 16:30L today. According to an article in the Sout
26 Post contains links 777ER : http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-tim...83976/City-may-get-cheaper-flights
27 Post contains links and images VirginFlyer : First picture is already here... View Large View MediumPhoto © Hugh M Do they plan on using this on any Pacific Blue routes in the near future, o
28 777ER : Plans announced for this aircraft several weeks back was that its going to be used for Australian routes.
29 Post contains links 777ER : Airline flies in new jet - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/2386962/Airline-flies-in-new-jet
30 Nz2 : Thanks for the feedback guys, pretty much what I had been thinking, just wanted to see if there was some other good info out there, I use seat guru a
31 ANstar : I don't see why it would be in Pac Blue colours if they didn't intend on flying it on international or NZ domestic routes. Also seems stupid that the
32 VirginFlyer : Not necessarily - the Pacific Blue colour 737s get around the Australian domestic network fairly regularly from what I have seen. Having it in PacBlu
33 ANstar : Which allows them flexibility with the 737 fleet. Given all the Embraers are domestic currently, it isn;t the same. won;t Jetstar's domestic flights
34 Post contains links NZA320 : I think that the fact that DJ is doing a tour of NZL in the E-190 and getting media attention is a strong indication that they are planning to use th
35 777ER : That doesn't matter, with an NZ and Australian deal, ZK rego aircraft can operate in Australia (hence why Toll use a ZK B733F) and VH can operate her
36 Eta unknown : Question about the NZ 763 crews operating into LAX. Now that the 763 services are only twice weekly (Tue via TBU, APW and Sun via RAR) what is the cre
37 VirginFlyer : Yes, I am well aware of that. My point is, if it was going to be operating in NZ for Pacific Blue from next week, I can't see the point of having it
38 ANstar : I agree - waste of time otherwise! So the question is are they for NZ doemstic, Trans Tasman or both? I think one RAR pattern is Pax AKL-RAR. 1 nite
39 777ER : IIRC it was talked about recently by DJ738 that some PacBlue flights will be operated by Australian crews with VH registered aircraft in PacBlue colo
40 TG992 : Yes, most of the RAR-LAX trips work something like what has been mentioned. Deadhead AKL-RAR, stay 1-2 nights, then up to LAX for 1-2 nights, then LAX
41 Alangirvan : Looks like the Virgin Group is doing no more than having a bit of fun with the E-Jet on a delivery flight. It does no harm to see what NZ people think
42 NZ107 : First of all, ask the majority of people on here and ask them if IVC will get international flights With AKL-IVC being basically 2 hrs in length, wou
43 CHCalfonzo : I totally agree. I think it would make much more sense to use CHC as a hub for DUD and IVC flights allowing them to connect passengers from AKL and W
44 777ER : Why not DJ launch a direct route if the market allows it with a 100 seater aircraft and give NZ a run for their money and maybe force them to launch
45 Post contains links and images Flyjetstar : Union ad blitz over Air NZ 'rip-off' The union representing cabin crew has launched an aggressive campaign against Air New Zealand as a four-day strik
46 Rwy21 : Exactly, and probably still a bit large for a small town. It could potentially be used for off peak international services as well as some more peak
47 ANstar : I think I saw mentioned elsewhere that ZEAL crew earn 10% more than Jetconnect crew? Is that true?
48 Flyjetstar : I'm not sure about that. I heard Bruce Parton say this morning that ZEAL crew earn $41K after two weeks training. I'd like to know how. It is also th
49 DavidByrne : It's all to do with competitive advantage. The Southland media has been talking up the possibility of an AKL-IVC direct flight, a long-cherished drea
50 Axio : I was thinking DJ might also be looking at the oppourtunity to increase frequency on the trunks, and throw in the peak business flights from secondary
51 Rwy21 : The speculation though sure has heightened the brand image in the smaller regions, which has to be good advertising, whatever the outcome. Its a chan
52 DavidByrne : For a while they had 3 x 733 and 2 x AT7 on weekdays. - a total of 544 seats on five flights. Now they have 2 x 733, 1 x AT7 and 2 x DH3 on weekdays
53 DavidByrne : . . . and another thing I've just noticed is that NZ's services HLZ-NSN and PMR-NSN have disappeared. I didn't hear any discussion of that at all - di
54 Mr AirNZ : This Beech was redeployed to WHK allowing Eagle to terminate the use of the Vincent Beech. The third daily HLZ-PMR flight remains and the aircraft is
55 Rwy21 : [quote=DavidByrne,reply=52]Now they have 2 x 733, 1 x AT7 and 2 x DH3 on weekdays True, depending on the day it jumps around a bit looking forward ran
56 Alangirvan : If DJ just want to give some regional NZ cities a jet service, they could even just operate a daily Auckland- Palmerston North-Christchurch-Invercargi
57 777ER : A few threads ago I said that CHCs and WLGs pacific island flights are now seasonal. Its been seasonal I think for over a year now Can't find any new
58 Post contains links VirginFlyer : According to Virgin Blue's press release, it isn't due in the south until Friday anyway... http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0905/S00141.htm The Palme
59 777ER : I've read it was due today, so was surprised to not see any news.
60 VirginFlyer : I'd read the same. I'd guess the Southland Times have got the day wrong. At least they call the aircraft an "Embraer E190", which is almost correct (
61 777ER : Oh well, hoping tomorrow will be a good day for airfares with DJ and NZ. Will be sitting at the computer tomorrow waiting once a sale is announced fo
62 CHCalfonzo : Looks like ZPM will be in Hamilton a little bit longer than planned
63 777ER : source?
64 CHCalfonzo : Its still sitting on the ground in Hamilton according to a couple of posts on PPRuNe. I've heard it injested something into an engine, but thats only
65 NZ107 : In the NZ Herald today there's a picture of a Zeal employee holding up a sign "Zeal want a real deal".. In that case, send them to Invercargill!
66 Post contains links 777ER : Jetstar boss wants border gone - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...100/Jetstar-boss-wants-border-gone
67 DavidByrne : Spot the logical inconsistency - a $60 return fare reduction is approx $30 one way - therefore a one-way fare of $200-$210 might become $170-$180. Ev
68 777ER : Its nearly 4pm and I've not seen any news updates on Pacific Blues 'planned' announcement in IVC. Has anyone else heard or seen differently?
69 VirginFlyer : I have a feeling the publicity oxygen has been sucked out of the room by the nutter in Napier. Even without that, the Embraer may not have made it th
70 777ER : JQ are currently holding a sale till 8pm tonight with CHC-SYD in August for $75 oneway and WLG-AKL one way for $5
71 NZ107 : For $10, I'm quite tempted in 2 hrs of flying for the sake of it!
72 777ER : only if you fancy leaving AKL on the 6am flight and returning late at night.
73 Post contains links Flyjetstar : Airport bash put on ice after guest no-show Balloons were billowing, the band was bellowing, and the bubbly ready to be poured then a bird spoiled the
74 NZ107 : True, not that much to do in Wellington! Plus I've already got 6 flights lined up for late Nov/Dec - don't think I need to go on another JQ flight..
75 Flyjetstar : Does anyone else find the specials under whelming?
76 ANstar : What prices do you expect?
77 Flyjetstar : I'm not sure what I mean! There are only two routes and I think from the email they send out that it gives the impression that there is going to be m
78 Post contains links ANstar : Check out the behind the scenes of the new Air NZ ad.... (courtesy of Air NZ on twitter) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnhVcD74i14 Very Clever and th
79 Rwy21 : I think this was just more "small town reporting" by a small town reporter as the story changed a bit in the next days paper. ..local radio news in t
80 777ER : I can think of enough things to do to cover one days worth of sightseeing/things to do. Clearly you havn't seen the real things WLG has to offer!
81 NZ107 : I've been to Wellington enough times Just not enough by air; and yet to experience a 100kph crosswind!
82 777ER : That would have to be one of the top 10.......especially in a 1900D
83 Post contains links and images QF45 : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OM9zhvm32MI On a potentially completely irrelevant topic this clip makes me think how ya could pull this off in a New Z
84 NZ107 : Less likely.. Cos the majority of the domestic terminal buildings are so small the gate area is about 10m from the check in. But that's hilarious, wi
85 Post contains links MotorHussy : Interesting NBR coverage of the NZ strike: Strike coverage in the NBR And very cannily, the EPMU have taken their message and that of the NZ staff cov
86 Zkpilot : The 1900 has a max crosswind component of 25kts... ie 46kph. 100kph wind sure...just not a crosswind
87 VirginFlyer : Besides which, I was told by someone who flew 1900s in and out of WLG that it was not common for the crosswind to get up to that maximum - apparently
88 Koruman : VirginFlyer asked me in the "Isn't Rob Fyfe a great bloke for getting his kit off" thread why I don't endorse the short-haul strategy that we're not s
89 NZ8800 : There was a short report about DJ in New Plymouth's Daily News (forget what day it appeared but it was recent) - suggesting their E190 was going to vi
90 Mariner : I agree, but to be fair to Air NZ, they are not alone in this. Airlines in the UK and the US have followed the same pattern. You cite British Airways
91 Koruman : Thanks Mariner. My thoughts are that SYD, BNE and MEL should each have one wide-body service to AKL each day, connecting to and from long-haul AKL fl
92 NZ107 : Surely it can't cost them too much more to provide meals like Emirates.. If NZ had meals to beat their competition, I'd be thinking twice about who I
93 VirginFlyer : To an extent yes, but I think history has something to do with it too - the Pacific routes were originally TEAL, and were operated by the Internation
94 Mariner : That is true, but the basics of airline management seem to apply, no matter the population base. What is happening in both Australia and NZ is almost
95 ANstar : I agree - having done 4 SYD-AKL's with NZ in the past month I have found the catering to be perfectly fine for a short flight. Only one of these flig
96 777ER : Only domestic route the E190 would work for out of New Plymouth would be to CHC Sadly for some members, all I'm going to say is, expect more airlines
97 Koruman : Both of you are articulating what NZ management (and Qantas management) state, and it isn't working for either. Yes, the product is OK for a short ho
98 ANstar : And what do you get on a 4 hour flight in the USA.... A damn lot less than you do on an NZ flight.... Not the best example. But with only 1 flight a
99 777ER : Remind me again what you get in terms of meals/snacks with the majors on those flights in the USA?
100 Koruman : On the contrary, it is exactly the best example. American carriers have done exactly what Air NZ has done with the Express model, namely shot down to
101 CHCalfonzo : NZ is an end of the world airline serving a very small population base. The reality is that the vast majority of people travelling across the Tasman
102 777ER : UA, AA, US, DL etc provide a no frills service (ie no meal but little crackers but at least the coke was free), where NZ does provide a frill service
103 Koruman : Sorry, but you're still missing my point. My argument is that there are basically two options for Air NZ on the Tasman, either: a) be like an America
104 Mariner : I agree with the latter half of that statement, but it's the market share part that worries me. Back in 1994, United Airlines decided to defend it's
105 Post contains links Mariner : Does anyone have any info (or thoughts) about Sun Air: http://www.sunair.co.nz/ All I've been able to find is the Wiki page, but I don't know how reli
106 ANstar : But Air NZ is not at the bottom of the market. They still provide full service comparable to their main competitor (QF) on this route. A Meal, 2 drin
107 Alangirvan : The local carriers should always have a frequency advantage over EK, who just fly Trans Tasman as a hobby. Most Trans Tasman flights are operated from
108 Post contains links NZ560 : Here's some more information about the video. Air NZ CEO In The Buff
109 NZ8800 : Just musing on all the talk re: the Trans-Tasman operations. It can hardly be stated they aren't an important part of Air New Zealand's operations - i
110 Mariner : But "Go" is no longer with us. I'm always a bit wary of generalizations about what companies will do. Using the US experience again, multiple compani
111 Alangirvan : Go was closed by Rod Eddington (well sold eventually to easyjet) because this BA owned airline was taking passengers away from mainline BA. The alter
112 Alangirvan : "Well this is part of the viral marketing and branding used by just about all the legacies really. Fact is they sell the brand via imagery depicting t
113 Post contains links Mariner : The scenario that I know is different. It was always touch and go. It was Ayling's brain child and it went with him. The new CEO, Eddington, as often
114 MotorHussy : Got to hand it to him, he looks very good in the buff. Most CEO's in this state would put you off their products for life.
115 BlackLabel : The company won't choose 'Go' (or LCCs) every time. My company has performed an analysis on LCCs vs. legacy and generally found for our travel profil
116 777ER : But NZ and QF are no where near as bad as the US legacys. NZ has positioned itself well (IMHO) to handle both LCCs and EK, where US airlines went fro
117 Mariner : I agree. If nothing else (and there's a lot more), Air NZ is profitable. However, Air NZ is facing an unprecedented invasion of it's turf. Part of th
118 FlyPacificBlue : The month of May is often a quiet time for airlines crossing the Tasman and this year is no exception for EK. Infact yesterday Pacific Blue flight DJ1
119 777ER : Just saw NZs new ad during the adverts of The Amazing Race. The old lady at the end was good when she said to her daughter "Don't you just love a man
120 777ER : Any NZ insiders able to say how NZs WLG-BNE flights this coming two weeks are doing?
121 Alangirvan : Don't suppose you had a chance to see under the floor, whether they were carrying a lot of freight?
122 NZ107 : Don't know how I missed it.. Maybe I was glued to A.Net instead of the tv! Great coincidence to have the NZ leg of Amazing Race at the same time.
123 Post contains links 777ER : Air NZ strike to end tonight - http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/2399442/Air-NZ-strike-to-end-tonight
124 FlyPacificBlue : What a fantastic ad from NZ, good touch of humor at the end! And great to see the Amazing race New Zealand episode too! No I didn't sorry, but I will
125 Koruman : I do understand that, but the fact that there is at least one major competitor on the Tasman with a far superior product places a ceiling on the yiel
126 JQFlightie : Aren't people for getting that there are 3 more airlines that fly on the SYD - AKL on a regular basis: Aerolineas Argentinas 3 x weekly A340 LAN Chil
127 Post contains links VirginFlyer : The video of Virgin's unfortunate Embraer taking a bird into the engine is up on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esrrsrvfuEk I haven't had a c
128 Aerokiwi : Those are hardly reliable figures on which to base an entire argument. So have I - the chicken meal I had recently on a MEL-WLG sector was so delicio
129 Post contains links Mariner : I think BA has a very clear longer term strategy - stick to your knitting, your core business. All BA's attempts to fight the LCC's by becoming like
130 Flyjetstar : And that is the crux of the issue. And if cabin crew of other areas of NZ don't get it, that's what will happen to them. One day ZEAL crew (or someth
131 TG992 : Quite a change from your posts of 2007-8 slamming the entire Express product!
132 DingDong : Great sense of humour in the advert, indeed. I'm on the wrong side of the pond to see it, but saw the behind the scenes YouTube video of its making.
133 Aerokiwi : Yes, but I read a very interesting piece recently on how successful it actually was under its CEO and the dispondency at the way BA treated it with t
134 Post contains links 777ER : Air NZ reviews regional links - http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...721/Air-NZ-reviews-regional-links/ Kiwi airline billing system takes off - http
135 Post contains links 777ER : Heres the link to the actual ad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elD38pJX7iE
136 DingDong : " target=_blank>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elD38...JX7iE Nice -- thank you very much!!
137 Mariner : I discussed Go at some length in post #113. Whatever the perception of it, it was not the success some people claim. It started flying in May 1998. I
138 Aerokiwi : Oh don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with what you've written (I could've worded it better - though measure of success is still disputed, as you n
139 DavidByrne : . . . and it's only a few months since K'man was arguing that the economic downturn wouldn't impact on premium pax carriage, and was suggesting furth
140 Mariner : I've probably beaten a dying horse with this one, but my concern is the ol' race to bottom. As I said at the start of this, I resist the idea that ai
141 Aerokiwi : I was involved in work (in a past life) on how various organisations would respond to avian flu/SARS, and the impact in developed nations isn't quite
142 DavidByrne : . . . well the good people at Los Alamos seem to think that there would be no possibility of "containment", and that the impact on developed countrie
143 Koruman : Believe it or not, that's still my position. If you go back through my old posts, one of the my main gripes has been that the airline was far too tim
144 DavidByrne : I'm well-disposed toward that as a long-term srtategy for the carrier - and have consistently supported it on these threads, but I don't think this i
145 Koruman : Thanks David, but I beg to differ. If you examine closely the world of long-haul aviation there is virtually no evidence to support an assertion that
146 Cchan : In many parts of the world, such as here in South Africa, this is not practical. The moment the security guards go home, there will be people coming
147 Post contains links ANstar : Merger tipped for Air NZ http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...s/2402637/Merger-tipped-for-Air-NZ
148 Aerokiwi : I quite agree. But in "fully developed" countries (yes a bogus term), the circumstances are different and thus the impact likely to be less severe. W
149 777ER : Interesting news article. QF is totally out of the picture. DJ would be a good vehicle to use by NZ and as a perfect entry (again) into the Australia
150 Alangirvan : Wel AirNZ cannot merge with Qantas, because CAPA have predicted that Qantas will be gone in 6 months.
151 Alangirvan : Finnair with Thai is an unusual link, since Finnair is a member of Oneworld. They must be getting very good connecting fares from Thai, because norma
152 JQFlightie : Maybe QF should look at the same set up as BD in the UK. -On Short Haul/Domestic/Regional routes have a Buy-on-Board service, but QF FF's ?(Gold Silv
153 Zkpilot : I still think the best option for NZ is to either takeover or merge with DJ. They would of course remain separate brands. Pacific Blue would be the c
154 VirginFlyer : CAPA, good as they can be a lot of the time, do have a history of making some outlandish statements, such as the one a few years back that Singapore
155 Koruman : Nice try, but I'm not advocating "budget" Business Premier fare levels, just fares which aren't double the going rate for similar lengths of flight o
156 Post contains links Andaman : SAS don't serve SIN. Yes Finnair and Thai is an unusual link indeed. AY and CX just told they start code-share flights between HKG and BNE, while SYD
157 Koruman : I've re-read the Finnair blurb, and I must admit that they could be using QF on the BNE-BKK leg - it's not clear, and being used to the similar Swiss
158 HLZCPH : Correct, SAS dropped SIN during 2005 sometime, (we used this flight then and it was dropped soon after). It was an add on flight to / from BKK.
159 Aerokiwi : And in those 5 years, NZ has been able to sustain the higher fare levels for their premium classes, which suggests that something is wrong with your
160 Leonjunior : Airasia is offering FREE seats to ALL their destinations exclude London. Travel from 10JAN to MAY 30 2010. Only cost me NZD600 to fly to KL, including
161 NZ107 : I forgot how long ago this A320/737 debate was.. Kinda missed the boat on that, sorry.. But anyway how much more range does the 73G/H have over the A3
162 SunriseValley : From the load/range tables, the 737-700 would be about good enough for max passenger load ( 128 in 2-class) AKL-PER assuming a ESAD of 3200nm. The -8
163 Finnaviation : You mean HKG and BKK? Finnair has no service to SIN.
164 Cchan : I doubt if they will get any frequent flyers on AKL-PER if they use a 73W for this route. I've done ADD-JNB on ET's 73W, 5 hours on a 73W is not a de
165 NZ107 : What's worse? A 737 all the way or having to stop in SYD or MEL - with some probability that you'd end up with a narrowbody across the Tasman if flyi
166 Aerohottie : An A319/A320 combo would offer the same
167 Cchan : Both are not desirable and inferior to the present 767 flights. While airlines want to save $$$, it is not unreasonable for passengers to expect some
168 SunriseValley : Are you referring to the quality of the seat or what ? Why can't you have the 767-300ER seat in something like the Thompson layout?
169 777ER : Then tell DJ that as they use their B737s for some fairly long flights, like SYD-PER and ADL-DPS. Are the pax refusing to fly those DJ routes?
170 Pewpew320 : I think passengers expect different levels of comfort depending on whether it's a domestic or international flight, Plus AKL - PER is about 3 hours l
171 Koruman : No, they're not, but they are basically a low-yielding leisure passenger group (I should know, I'm half-way through a DJ itinerary at the moment). I
172 ZKOJH : Air New Zealand Ltd. (AIR): The national carrier’s fuel costs will be NZ$530 million lower next financial year because of new hedging and lower oil
173 SunriseValley : I believe that when the 787-9 is ready, it's performance will meet guarantees. There is apparently a significant amount of redesign over the 787-8. I
174 Koruman : That still makes me think that the current fleet planning is wrong then. The 787 is really a fairly light aircraft for long, thin routes, whereas the
175 MillwallSean : There is talk about business and corporate travel but does anyone really know much about corporate travel in New Zealand? I know that the general feel
176 Alangirvan : The distance for AKL-PER is showing as about 3300 miles compared with a typical North Atlantic route of DTW-LGW which NW has flown with 757s, which i
177 Kiwiandrew : on the other hand the more humid cabin environment of the 787 sounds a lot more attractive for longhaul flights which are the ones that you really ge
178 NZ107 : But when you have no other alternative, what happens then? They'll still fly them. With increased frequency, it could even be an advantage to some. H
179 TG992 : unfortunately not - there are no power outlets in the galley, and the only other ones are in the FSM's office that they use for their work computer,
180 NZ107 : Oh, ok. Thanks for the info and such a hasty reply! I guess I'll be booking in Y+ if I was thinking about recharging anything in flight.
181 ANstar : Don;t forget DJ also fly SYD-APW which is about 6.5 hours from memory
182 Vfw614 : I find it interesting how different expectations / perceptions are depending on the part of the world one lives in. Here in Europe, 5 hour flights ar
183 NZ83 : Absolutely. I get really dehydrated flying and find myself drinking at least two if not three litres of water on a 12 hour flight and i'm still thirs
184 SunriseValley : It seems to me that NZ negotiated some very favorable pricing on options at the time they contracted for the 772's. Now that the 77W's will be a real
185 Cchan : Not with the quality of the seat, but the experience in a relatively small aircraft (73W) in standard 2 class configuration for a long time in genera
186 Pewpew320 : It was in Europe SVO - LHR perhaps it's just because i fly frequently between NZ and Australia i'm used to having Wide Bodies on these routes (I spec
187 NZ107 : [url=Air NZ Announces World's First Matchmaking Flight]http://www.fourcorners.co.nz/new-zealand/tourism-news-detail/index.cfm/articleId/18671/[/url] S
188 777ER : Well NZ has a 5h 40mins flight from AKL-CNS. Then I would rate a B739 cabin also good for excercising. I'm very interested in seeing how the new Boei
189 QF45 : A direct flight between CHC and PER would be great!!! Don't get me wrong I love connecting but a direct flight would definatly free up some valuable
190 DavidByrne : The most interesting question may be whether NZ has the balls to have a shot at that - or whether it will fall to the interlopers, DJ or JQ. Do DJ ha
191 Cchan : From the Air NZ seat maps, in economy A320: 1 toilet per 72 passengers B737: 1 toilet per 44 passengers B747: 1 toilet per 29 passengers B767: 1 toil
192 NZ107 : Yes, DJ operate both -700s and -800s. I think you're getting a touch confused - they operate the 73H (737-800) in New Zealand currently - the 73G ref
193 Cchan : That doesn't mean now is better than before. It only suggests the airline is compromising on quality of the product for better profit.
194 TG992 : The sad reality is that the modern passenger on leisure routes like PER and CNS is not willing to pay the appropriate price for the quality you speak
195 Alangirvan : It made the front page of the Otago Daily Times today....Pacific Blue and Emirates have announced a special through fare from Dunedin onto the Emirate
196 QF45 : The ad in the press also implies the same for WLG passengers aswell.... I wonder if our friends in the capital will embrace this offer...
197 NZ107 : I wonder if it means skywards points soon on DJ's New Zealand domestic flights..
198 DavidByrne : No, with respect, I meant the question the way it was asked! The way I understand the designations: 73G = 737-700 73W = 737-700ER 738 = 737-800 73H =
199 ZK-NBT : I'm not actually sure what the designator is for the 737-700ER the 73W is the 700 with Winglets though. Maybe 73E?
200 NZ107 : I don't think anyone but NH have 737-700ERs. But I certainly know for sure that DJ use 73Gs.
201 NZ1 : 73G - 737-700 73W - 737-700 with winglets 738 - 737-800 73H - 737-800 with winglets NZ1
202 DavidByrne : I guess my question is whether the 737 with winglets IS by definition a 737-700ER, or is it yet another variant?
203 777ER : Flew NZ769 WLG-BNE today. The space+ seats were under half full, but the rear of economy only had about 10-15 seats empty. The crew still had stickers
204 NZ107 : You're lucky you didn't leave on Friday morning! Heard it was pretty wild down there. I had fun watching a few planes land in today's wind and it did
205 Alangirvan : Here we are in Dunedin looking at all the wild weather people have in the North Island, and you wonder why any one would want to live in the North Isl
206 NZ107 : This is only Wellington I'm talking about.. One of the smoothest 737 landings back home into AKL this evening I've experienced. I came home to much b
207 PA515 : Demand is seasonal but does not appear to have decreased. When the 744 was on the route I think there was only one flight a week, then a combination
208 PA515 : From memory the 737-700ER combines the fuselage of the 737-700 with the wings and undercarriage of the 737-800, the same as for the BBJ. PA515
209 SunriseValley : In my posting 162 I stated that the -700 could do max passenger load 3200nm which is the ESAD AKL-PER on a -45k wind, day. I overlooked that the -700
210 Nzrich : Dont get too cocky there !!! After talking to many pilots the airport that can be the trickiest to land in NZ is actually DUD . As the where the airp
211 ZK-NBT : There was also a 772 flight last winter to CNS on 1 service. The flight was only 1 or 2 weekly when the 744s did it probably last in 2004/05 or so. T
212 NZ107 : Grabaseat fares tomorrow morning at 9am which would be pretty cheap ex CHC! Too bad the Blues didn't win.. Or else I'd be off to KKE, WRE and KAT for
213 777ER : Oh well. I wouldn't haver minded one of those take offs Tried to get some ex WLG just now but I'm certain the hotel computer is on dialup
214 NZ107 : Would you have been able to take off? I hear the airport was closed for some time.. And that backlog continued all day and even my flight was delayed
215 Axio : Seems like a sensible outcome. ax
216 DJ738 : I completely agree. I'd take a WLG approach on a bad day over DUD anyday...
217 Post contains links EI787 : Continued here: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/4416071/
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