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CVG Gets New Airline -- Watch Out DL!  
User currently offlineSkibum9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1229 posts, RR: 0
Posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 15631 times:

After months of speculation that CVG would get a new airline, it has finally happened. It will be interesting to see how DL responds to this major competitive threat that the airport has developed.

http://www.locair.net/index.htm

Note: My comments are not meant to be taken seriously


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User currently offlineSunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2057 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 15450 times:

Metro's are threat. Oh my god DL Connection better run out and buy some. Or better yet the new Twin Otter!


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User currently offlineUSPIT10L From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 3295 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 15393 times:

Quoting Skibum9 (Thread starter):

That doesn't sound like a threat at all. Just another paper airline that will never see the light of day. Cape Air's been proposing a regional operation based in PIT feeding places like DUJ, FKL, LBE, etc, and the ACAA has been dancing in the aisles expecting it to happen. That may never get off the ground either. Connecting traffic does not bring additional revenue to an airport, local traffic does.

Just because they're operating doesn't mean it will last. What happened to Interstate Jet, SkyBus, etc?

[Edited 2009-05-04 14:51:57]


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 15349 times:



Quoting USPIT10L (Reply 2):
That doesn't sound like a threat at all. Just another paper airline that will never see the light of day.

...except that they are operating.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/LOC104



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User currently offline727forever From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 793 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 15072 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 3):
...except that they are operating.

And have been for over a decade.

While not much of a chance now, during a good economy I think this thing could work. It is exactly how TranStates got started.

727forever



727forever
User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 14803 times:



Quoting Skibum9 (Thread starter):
Note: My comments are not meant to be taken seriously

Really?



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 14757 times:



Quoting 727forever (Reply 5):
While not much of a chance now, during a good economy I think this thing could work. It is exactly how TranStates got started.

...though, in fairness, the Ozarks probably see more tourism than Somerset, Kentucky.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineYNGguins From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 511 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 14620 times:

JA... Thoughts on this my friend?


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User currently offline727forever From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 793 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 14384 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 7):
...though, in fairness, the Ozarks probably see more tourism than Somerset, Kentucky.

Probably,

But, there are enough people that are almost rich that live in the CVG area that have houseboats on Lake Cumberland that would be interested in this service to fill a Metro 3 days a week in a strong economy. In this economy, I don't think so.

727forever



727forever
User currently offlineRampguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 13850 times:

I was surprised to see Somerset, KY. Why not Bowling Green?

User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4607 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 12031 times:

This service has been around for several months already, not really a big deal (the Somerset service). Interesting to see them expand to CVG and IAD. Hopefully they can make it. Not everyone needs to fly medium sized jets to large cities to succeed. If they have enough pax to fill their 9 seat (they have them restricted down from 19) and make a little money, then so be it. How many of us would love to run an airline, even if it was just a couple small Metros hopping around a few markets.

User currently offlineSkyWestFan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 179 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 11868 times:

Thank you Ouboy. The joy of still having aircraft like the Metro or 1900 or J31 etc around is they are able to capture markets that are unable to be tapped by other "real aircraft" <----this phrase in quotes is not to be taken seriously

Ironically these companies that are flying around in their state of the art fast jets more times than none can't fill an RJ let alone a Metro even if they had one. Consistently flying a Metro with 9 people or consistently flying an RJ with 9 people.....I wonder which of these examples makes sense. Must be the RJ one because they're so pretty and fast and jets, whoopie.

Many forget how vital of a role these Metros and similarly sized aircraft played in providing safe, reliable FAST and inexpensive air travel to communities that otherwise would have none.

Correct me if Im wrong but I think some of these "big boys" used to operate the venerable Metroliner. Comair, SkyWest, American Eagle, Horizon Air.....


Just my two cents and a little venting of the RJ "evolution"


Marc



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User currently offlineJA From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 574 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 11673 times:



Quoting YNGguins (Reply 8):

Good for them. I hope they make money quickly.


User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 9121 times:



Quoting SkyWestFan (Reply 12):
Many forget how vital of a role these Metros and similarly sized aircraft played in providing safe, reliable FAST and inexpensive air travel to communities that otherwise would have none.

Correct me if Im wrong but I think some of these "big boys" used to operate the venerable Metroliner. Comair, SkyWest, American Eagle, Horizon Air.....


Just my two cents and a little venting of the RJ "evolution"

AMen to that.. I couldnt agree more...there need to be more smaller airlines. The Large Regional Airlines like Air Wisconsin, Comair, Skywest are what Ozark, Allegheny, North Central Airlines became....size wise. Its time for a new crop of smaller airlines to come along and pick up the slack that the "RJ Metality of Airlines" have deemed un-important to serve.

Correct me if I am wrong but are the RJs not subject to Airport slots, only "Full Size" airliners like 737s or A320's?

We do need more smaller regionals serving the smaller cities....Its not always practical to drive from smaller cities to a medium sized city just to fly from that medium sized city to fly into some airline mega-super-fortess-hub....By pass all that mess and just fly into the Mega-super-fortress-hub!!!! So what if its only a Metroliner or a Cessna 402, its business. We dont segregate Compact cars from Semi Trucks on the road, why should we think we have to do that at airports with Jets and Smaller prop planes?

Access-Air



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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 9070 times:



Quoting Access-Air (Reply 14):
Correct me if I am wrong but are the RJs not subject to Airport slots, only "Full Size" airliners like 737s or A320's?

A number of slot controlled airports have regional and mainline slots, but RJs are subject to slot controls.

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 14):
We dont segregate Compact cars from Semi Trucks on the road, why should we think we have to do that at airports with Jets and Smaller prop planes?

Actually, there's some relatively serious ongoing discussion on doing just that on Interstate 70 between Columbus and Kansas City...



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineFlyMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8377 times:

Interesting route map. I don't think that DL has too much to worry about though I guess you never know. I don't see much of a response from DL at this point. Based on their website, it does not appear as though they offerring connecting flights from CVG (only O&D).


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User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8245 times:



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 7):
...though, in fairness, the Ozarks probably see more tourism than Somerset, Kentucky.

They probably do but the Lake Cumberland region is a pretty large tourist area in itself. You have Big South Fork Rec area, Daniel Boone NF and a bunch of stuff. It's not just a bump in the road my friends.



Nashville, Tennessee KBNA
User currently offlineLexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8232 times:

Quoting Rampguy (Reply 10):
Why not Bowling Green?

Common sense. Nashville is too close and nothing would work from there. Nothing.

[Edited 2009-05-05 10:51:18]


Nashville, Tennessee KBNA
User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8123 times:



Quoting Lexy (Reply 17):
They probably do but the Lake Cumberland region is a pretty large tourist area in itself.

It is. I didn't mean to imply that there's no tourist demand to the area.



I can't decide whether I miss the tulip or the bowling shoe more
User currently offlineXJETFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 327 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7952 times:

Why does everyone or almost everyone seem to bash the little guys? I think it's great that they are offering a service and if they are breaking even or making a small profit great. If it allows them to grow slowly and build something special, more power to them.

Every company has to start some where. Give these guys a chance. The same people saying this economy will not allow them to survive, will be saying something different in 10 years when the same company has a few jets and is doing really well.

This is what America is about folks!


User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7941 times:



Quoting Skibum9 (Thread starter):
Note: My comments are not meant to be taken seriously

Skibum, it's so sad you have to preface your rhetoric on here due to the limited sense of humor of fellow members. I hope all is well with you in the Nati.

Quoting 727forever (Reply 9):
But, there are enough people that are almost rich that live in the CVG area

Almost rich??? There is a lot of wealth in that town!! Old and new money areas spread through out the city.

Quoting Ouboy79 (Reply 11):
If they have enough pax to fill their 9 seat (they have them restricted down from 19) and make a little money, then so be it.

Exactly!! We are a Capitalist society despite what's going on.

Quoting SkyWestFan (Reply 12):
Many forget how vital of a role these Metros and similarly sized aircraft played in providing safe, reliable FAST and inexpensive air travel to communities that otherwise would have none.

I remember as a kid seeing Southern Airways (merging with North Central becoming Republic Airlines in MSP not IND) operate Metro's between ATL - AHN. The Metro was a true workhorse giving small communities air service opportunities.


User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4607 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6934 times:

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User currently offlineRampguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6711 times:



Quoting Lexy (Reply 17):
Quoting Rampguy (Reply 10):
Why not Bowling Green?

Common sense. Nashville is too close and nothing would work from there. Nothing.

Are you basing your response on documental fact or personal opinion? If fact, please cut and paste your findings here so that others may see it. Fact, yes, Nashvillel is only about 60 miles from Bowling Green. However, the population is around 60,000. I would think that there should be enough people to fill up a small 19-seat a/c. Perhaps Locair could feed passengers into DL's CVG hub from BWG.

Another question, perhaps Locair could also go to another city in Eastern Kentucky. I was thinking London (LOZ) or Middlesboro (1A6) Middlesboro is not really close to anything. Knoxville might be a possibilty. Even so, that would be about 75 mile drive and it would not be interstate driving so it would take longer to get there.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23148 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6559 times:



Quoting Rampguy (Reply 22):
Fact, yes, Nashvillel is only about 60 miles from Bowling Green. However, the population is around 60,000.

How many of those 60,000 will fly a puddle jumper to make a connection somewhere. If you drive through the parking lot at BNA, you'll see a good handful of license plates from much further away-- places like McCracken County (Paducah) and Daviess County (Owensboro).



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User currently offlineWilliam From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1306 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (5 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6527 times:

Problem is due to the new FAA rules, there will probably not be another 19 pax dedicated aircraft once the 1900s and Metros head to the desert.

I am still wandering who sells a 30 pax prop since Embraer and SAAB has gotten out of the market.


25 RampGuy : What is the distance from Paducah to Nashville? I know it's over 100 miles. PAH has their own airport, which is served by NW Airlink. As far as OWB i
26 Cubsrule : About 140 miles downtown to downtown, though BNA is on the far side of town. It's a VERY easy drive. BNA has many more destinations, though.
27 JBo : Technically if Embraer received a big enough order for the Brasilia, they could restart production. It's my understanding most if not all the tooling
28 RampGuy : Yes, I'm very much aware where Nashville Int'l is located and I'm also aware that it doesn't matter how many more destinations BNA serves, no one in
29 LoneStarMike : People from MEM do it all the time when they drive to LIT to get more afffordable fares. LoneStarMike
30 Sunking737 : Viking the folks that are restarting the DHC-6 Twin Otter has the rights to every DHC plane up to the DHC-7. IIRC only the Twin Otter is returning to
31 BMI727 : Many people from around where I live drive the 100 or so miles to Chicago. My guess would be that the Twin Otter is a bit too expensive for this type
32 FlyASAGuy2005 : Correct. From what i've read, they share the line with ERJs (135/140/145) and an orders will be slipped in.
33 Lexy : I know for a fact people from OWB drive to BNA rto catch flights. Care to fly down here and let me prove it to you?? EVV is a rip off. Have you ever
34 Lexy : If it would work, it would already be happening. I know for a fact the airport authority up there isn't seeking service from BWG. Why? Because it wou
35 RampGuy : Who dribbled in your Cherios?
36 Lexy : Nobody but common sense has got to prevail at some point on here.
37 ACKattack : Why couldn't this new airline also feed DL flights in CVG instead of just going after O&D?
38 FlyASAGuy2005 : Feed DL flights or feed "off of" DL flights? With those small a/c, they won't do much for DL's system up there.
39 ACKattack : Well both. I guess I mean could they get a DL code added to their flights and would it be worth it?
40 FastEddie07 : IS this Air Azul or something similiar?
41 Ouboy79 : They use to be associated with Air Azul, but that ended months ago. Air Azul is now Sun America dba Jet America.
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